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#101 Postby JenyEliza » Wed Dec 07, 2005 7:58 am

Well, its a balmy 21 F at my house right now. We went even below the revised forecast low and IT IS COLD here!

:froze:

This is what Peachtree City had to say at 5:25 AM EST

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION...UPDATED
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE PEACHTREE CITY GA
525 AM EST WED DEC 7 2005

.SHORT TERM...(TODAY THROUGH FRIDAY)
SOME WINTER WEATHER LOOKS TO BE MOVING INTO N GA OVER THE NEXT 24 TO 48 HOURS. AS FOR TODAY SHOULD SEE INCREASING CLOUDS AS FLOW ALOFT BECOMES SOUTHWESTERLY AND SUB TROPICAL JET APPROACHES FROM THE GULF. THINGS ARE BEGINNING TO SET UP FOR THE POSSIBILITY OF SOME MIXED (RA/IP/ZR) PRECIP BY THU MORNING AS NEXT SYSTEM APPROACHES. WAA PATTERN DEVELOPS ACROSS THE SOUTHERN SECTIONS OF THE CWA BY TONIGHT AND PRECIP SHOULD SPREAD SLOWLY NORTHEASTWARD THROUGH THU MORNING. THERE WILL BE A SHALLOW LAYER COLD DRY AIR IN PLACE OVER N GA WITH THE WEAK WEDGE BUILDING IN AS THE PRECIP MOVES NORTHWARD. MODELS ALSO SHOWING GOOD ISENTROPIC LIFT SETTING UP WHICH WILL CREATE SOME DECENT EVAPORATIVE COOLING IN THAT AREA. THE ONLY PROBLEM SEEMS TO BE THE LACK OF AVAILABLE MOISTURE TO BRING GOOD PRECIP INTO N GA. THE BEST CHANCE OF ANY MIXED PRECIP WILL BE BETWEEN 06Z-12Z THU BUT THE MOISTURE WILL BE JUST MOVING INTO N GA AT THAT TIME. FOR NOW ONLY EXPECTING A FEW HOURS OF ANY MIXED PRECIPITATION BEFORE IT TURNS OVER TO ALL RAIN BY 15Z. RAIN WILL CONTINUE ACROSS THE AREA ALL DAY THU INTO FRI MORNING. THERE MAY BE ANOTHER CHANCE OF MIXED PRECIP THU NIGHT/FRI MORNING AS THE SYSTEM IS EXITING TO THE EAST BUT IT WILL ALL DEPEND ON HOW DEEP THE WEDGE GETS BY THAT TIME. FOR NOW WILL PUT A MENTION OF RA/ZR FOR AREAS NORTH OF A LINE FROM POLK COUNTY TO CLARKE COUNTY AND INCLUDING THE NORTHERN ATLANTA METRO COUNTIES. IF ANY MIXED PRECIP DOES OCCUR FRI MORNING IT SHOULD BE SHORT LIVED AS SYSTEM WILL HAVE MOVED WELL EAST OF THE AREA BY 12Z FRI.

.LONG TERM...(FRIDAY NIGHT THROUGH TUESDAY)
THIS NEXT SYSTEM MOVES EAST OF THE AREA FRIDAY MORNING WITH A HIGH PRESSURE RIDGE BUILDING IN THROUGH SUN. DRY WEATHER EXPECTED THROUGH TUESDAY WHEN SECOND SYSTEM SWINGS THROUGH. THIS SYSTEM KEEPS WEAKENING FROM RUN TO RUN SO WILL NEED TO KEEP AN EYE ON IT TO SEE JUST WHAT WILL HAPPEN FOR NOW WILL CONTINUE WITH CURRENT FORECAST OF A SLIGHT CHANCE OF RAIN TUE/WED.
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#102 Postby JenyEliza » Wed Dec 07, 2005 12:03 pm

And so it goes. Another system that is going to hop-scotch over us--leaving us with only cold cold rain. :cry:

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION...UPDATED
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE PEACHTREE CITY GA
1200 PM EST WED DEC 7 2005

.UPDATE...
AFTER PERUSAL OF 06Z GFS AND 12Z NAM HAVE UPDATED FORECAST
SLIGHTLY. P-TYPE NOMAGRAMS STILL INDICATE MOSTLY A RAIN EVENT ESP WARMER NAM BUT EARLIER RUNS DID SHOW R/ZR OR R/IP MIX POSSIBLE IN NE ZONES. AM ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT LINGERING DRY AIR NEAR GAINESVILLE THIS AFTERNOON WHICH IF PERSISTS INTO LATE TONIGHT COULD BE AN AREA OF CONCERN FOR MORE MIXED PRECIP OR SLEET. GFS AND NAM GUIDANCE HAS BEEN ADAMANT ABOUT KEEPING TEMPS ABOVE FREEZING ALL NIGHT ACROSS ALL OF NORTH GA. HAVE BUCKED THE TREND DOWN A TAD PER TYPICAL WEDGE WARM BIAS BY MODELS...BUT WILL HAVE TO SEE HOW STRONG THIS IS FIRST BEFORE WE GET MEDIEVIL ON THE GUIDANCE TEMPS. WILL LIKELY ISSUE SPECIAL WEATHER STATEMENT TO CLARIFY WINTER WEATHER POSSIBILITIES THIS AFTERNOON.
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#103 Postby Brent » Wed Dec 07, 2005 12:20 pm

JenyEliza wrote:And so it goes. Another system that is going to hop-scotch over us--leaving us with only cold cold rain. :cry:


I'm not surprised... once again, AL/GA get screwed. It never fails. :roll: :grr: :( :cry: :x
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#104 Postby Brent » Wed Dec 07, 2005 12:23 pm

Unbelievable... I'm at the same latitude as Dallas and your a little farther north than they are and look at what fun they get(again). :roll: :roll: :roll:

FREEZING RAIN AND SLEET WILL BECOME MORE WIDESPREAD OVER THE AREA
TODAY AS TEMPERATURES CONTINUE TO FALL. THE FREEZING RAIN WILL
TURN MORE TO SLEET THIS AFTERNOON AND WILL LIKELY MIX WITH SNOW
BY THIS EVENING...BEFORE CHANGING OVER TO ALL SNOW OVERNIGHT INTO
EARLY THURSDAY MORNING. TOTAL ICE AND SLEET ACCUMULATIONS TO
BETWEEN ONE QUARTER AND ONE HALF INCH ARE POSSIBLE BY THIS
EVENING...FOLLOWED BY 1 TO 2 INCHES OF SNOW TONIGHT INTO EARLY
THURSDAY MORNING.
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#105 Postby JenyEliza » Wed Dec 07, 2005 1:37 pm

Brent wrote:Unbelievable... I'm at the same latitude as Dallas and your a little farther north than they are and look at what fun they get(again). :roll: :roll: :roll:

FREEZING RAIN AND SLEET WILL BECOME MORE WIDESPREAD OVER THE AREA
TODAY AS TEMPERATURES CONTINUE TO FALL. THE FREEZING RAIN WILL
TURN MORE TO SLEET THIS AFTERNOON AND WILL LIKELY MIX WITH SNOW
BY THIS EVENING...BEFORE CHANGING OVER TO ALL SNOW OVERNIGHT INTO
EARLY THURSDAY MORNING. TOTAL ICE AND SLEET ACCUMULATIONS TO
BETWEEN ONE QUARTER AND ONE HALF INCH ARE POSSIBLE BY THIS
EVENING...FOLLOWED BY 1 TO 2 INCHES OF SNOW TONIGHT INTO EARLY
THURSDAY MORNING.


My sister lives about 90 miles north of Houston. This is her forecast:

Tonight: Rain likely before 3am, then freezing rain likely. Cloudy, with a low around 27. Wind chill values between 16 and 21. North wind between 15 and 20 mph. Chance of precipitation is 60%.

Thursday: A slight chance of rain or freezing rain before 9am. Cloudy, then gradually becoming partly sunny, with a high around 39. Wind chill values between 13 and 23. North wind between 15 and 20 mph. Chance of precipitation is 20%.

Thursday Night: Mostly clear, with a low near 23. Wind chill values between 15 and 20. North wind between 5 and 10 mph.


She's at a latitude roughly the same as Jacksonville FL. Me? My latitude is roughly the same as Lubbock TX.

Who gets the winter stuff? Surely not US. :cry:
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#106 Postby Brent » Wed Dec 07, 2005 1:47 pm

They can have the freezing rain... I just want the snow. :(
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#107 Postby JenyEliza » Wed Dec 07, 2005 3:14 pm

My area is included in this SWS. :D

SPECIAL WEATHER STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE PEACHTREE CITY GA
240 PM EST WED DEC 7 2005

GAZ001>009-011>016-019>025-027-030>039-041>055-057-080915-
DADE-WALKER-CATOOSA-WHITFIELD-MURRAY-FANNIN-GILMER-UNION-TOWNS-
CHATTOOGA-GORDON-PICKENS-DAWSON-LUMPKIN-WHITE-FLOYD-BARTOW-
CHEROKEE-FORSYTH-HALL-BANKS-JACKSON-MADISON-POLK-PAULDING-COBB-
NORTH FULTON-GWINNETT-BARROW-CLARKE-OCONEE-OGLETHORPE-WILKES-
HARALSON-CARROLL-DOUGLAS-SOUTH FULTON-DEKALB-ROCKDALE-WALTON-
NEWTON-MORGAN-GREENE-TALIAFERRO-HEARD-COWETA-FAYETTE-CLAYTON-
HENRY-
INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...CALHOUN...DAHLONEGA...CLEVELAND...
ROME...CARTERSVILLE...GAINESVILLE...MARIETTA...ATLANTA...
LAWRENCEVILLE...ATHENS...CARROLLTON...DOUGLASVILLE...EAST POINT...
DECATUR...CONYERS...COVINGTON...NEWNAN...PEACHTREE CITY
240 PM EST WED DEC 7 2005

...A MIX OF WINTER PRECIPITATION POSSIBLE LATE TONIGHT AND
THURSDAY ACROSS FAR NORTH GEORGIA...

AN UPPER LEVEL STORM SYSTEM WILL APPROACH GEORGIA OVERNIGHT. AS WARMER AIR SPREADS NORTHEAST OVER THE COOLER DRY AIR AT THE SURFACE...SOME OF THE PRECIPITATION MAY FALL AS LIGHT SLEET OR SLEET MIXED WITH LIGHT RAIN.

PRECIPITATION WILL INITIALLY FALL AS RAIN ACROSS CENTRAL GEORGIA THIS EVENING AND SPREAD SLOWLY INTO NORTH GEORGIA AFTER MIDNIGHT.

TEMPERATURES AND MOISTURE NEAR THE SURFACE ARE EXPECTED TO BE LOW ENOUGH EARLY THURSDAY MORNING ACROSS PARTS OF NORTH GEORGIA FOR SOME OF THE PRECIPITATION TO FALL AS LIGHT SLEET BEFORE MIXING WITH OR CHANGING TO RAIN DURING THE DAY ON THURSDAY.

THE MOST LIKELY AREAS TO SEE WINTER PRECIPITATION ARE AREAS NORTH OF A CEDARTOWN TO ALPHARETTA TO COMMERCE LINE. THIS INCLUDES THE ROME...ELLIJAY AND GAINESVILLE AREAS.

TEMPERATURES ARE EXPECTED TO REMAIN ABOVE FREEZING THROUGH
FRIDAY...SO NO TRAVEL PROBLEMS ARE EXPECTED. THE PRECIPITATION IS EXPECTED TO FALL AS ALL RAIN THURSDAY NIGHT BEFORE ENDING FROM THE WEST EARLY FRIDAY MORNING.
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#108 Postby JenyEliza » Wed Dec 07, 2005 3:16 pm

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE PEACHTREE CITY GA
308 PM EST WED DEC 7 2005

.SHORT TERM...(TONIGHT THROUGH FRIDAY NIGHT)
SENT SPECIAL WEATHER STATEMENT DESCRIBING POTENTIAL FOR WINTER PRECIPITATION TONIGHT AND THURSDAY. 12Z GFS TEMP PROFILES ENDED UP ABOUT THE SAME AS PREVIOUS RUNS...GIVING P-TYPE VALUES AS DESCRIBED EARLIER. EXPECTING R/IP MIX OR A PERIOD OF IP INITIALLY ACROSS AREAS NORTH OF CEDARTOWN...ALPHARETTA TO COMMERCE CHANGING TO R/IP MIX OR ALL RAIN. R/IP MIX WOULD LIKELY LINGER LONGEST IN GVL AREA WHERE DEWPOINTS START OUT DRIEST AND IN-SITU WEDGE WILL BE STRONGER.

AMOUNTS IN THIS AREA ARE EXPECTED TO BE LIGHT THURSDAY MORNING AND TEMPS SHOULD REMAIN ABOVE FREEZING...SO DONT EXPECT ANY TRAVEL PROBLEMS. LATEST OBSERVATIONS AT GVL STILL ON TRACK WITH MODEL FORECASTS SO NO BIG CHANGES EXPECTED FROM EARLIER FORECAST ISSUED AT NOON.

PRECIP SHOULD END QUICKLY EARLY FRIDAY MORNING FROM WEST TO EAST. MIN TEMPS FOR THURSDAY NIGHT ARE NEAR OR BELOW FREEZING FOR SEVERAL AREAS BUT THIS IS ASSUMING PRECIP WILL MOVE OUT BEFORE FREEZING TEMPS ARE REACHED. WINDS WILL ALSO BE A LITTLE GUSTY (25 MPH GUSTS) THURSDAY NIGHT AND FRIDAY MAKING IT QUITE BLUSTERY BUT NOT NEAR ANY WIND ADVISORY OR WIND CHILL ADVISORY CRITERIA.
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#109 Postby Brent » Wed Dec 07, 2005 4:18 pm

The local met up in Birmingham is "nervous" about this one...

NWS AFD... Yuck.

THURSDAY IS NOT GOING TO BE A PRETTY DAY. PRECIP WILL BE IN LIQUID
FORM ACROSS THE ENTIRE CWA. THE LAST FEW MODEL RUNS HAVE BEEN
TRENDING TO WARMER TEMPERATURES ALOFT IN OUR AREA. SINCE SKIES WILL
BE CLOUDY OVERNIGHT TEMPERATURES WILL BE WELL ABOVE FREEZING
DURING THE MORNING AND WILL GRADUALLY GO UP DURING THE DAY WHICH
WILL HELP KEEP RAIN FROM FREEZING. IT IS GOING TO BE ONE OF THOSE COLD
RAINY DAY.

FOR TONIGHT...RAIN SHOULD BE LONG GONE BEFORE THE COLD AIR BEGINS
TO SPILL IN. ONE THING THAT I AM A BIT CONCERNED IS SOME OF THE
HIGHER ELEVATION ACROSS OUR NORTHEAST ZONES MAY BE GET SOME ICING
ESPECIALLY NEAR RIVERS AND OVER-PASSES. IT WON`T BE SIGNIFICANT
ENOUGH TO INCLUDE IN THE ZONES BUT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WILL KEEP
AN EYE ON.
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#110 Postby JenyEliza » Wed Dec 07, 2005 5:04 pm

The latest forecast for my area. Hmmm. A little sleet never hurt anyone. ;)

Of course, I'd rather this be snow, but it beats freezing rain...and it might be fun to stay up and watch for it.

Tonight...Mostly cloudy with a chance of rain with a slight chance of sleet after midnight across north metro. No sleet accumulation. Lows in the mid 30s. East winds up to 10 mph. Chance of precipitation 40 percent.

Thursday...Rain. Highs in the lower 40s. East winds 10 to 15 mph.

Thursday Night...Occasional rain in the evening...Then a chance of rain after midnight. Lows in the lower 30s. East winds around 10 mph shifting to the northwest after midnight.

Friday...Mostly sunny. Windy. Highs in the mid 40s. Northwest winds 10 to 20 mph.
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#111 Postby Brent » Wed Dec 07, 2005 10:15 pm

What's your temp JenyEliza?? 46.6 here UP from 44.6 about two hours ago. :roll:

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BIRMINGHAM AL
908 PM CST WED DEC 7 2005

.DISCUSSION...LIGHT RAIN MAY DEVELOP ACROSS PARTS OF CENTRAL ALABAMA
AFTER MIDNIGHT...PARTICULARLY SOUTH OF INTERSTATE 85...BUT APPEARS
NO FREEZING PRECIPITATION WILL OCCUR.

AT 9 PM CST ACROSS CENTRAL ALABAMA...UNDER CLOUDY SKIES...
TEMPERATURES RANGED FROM THE UPPER 30S IN RURAL VALLEYS NORTHEAST
OF GADSDEN TO NEAR 50 AROUND TROY AND EUFAULA.

RADAR INDICATED LIGHT RAIN ALOFT ACROSS SOUTHEAST ALABAMA...THOUGH
NONE OF THIS WAS REACHING THE GROUND AS THE LOW LEVELS WERE VERY DRY.

FOR THE REST OF TONIGHT...CLOUDY SKIES WILL PREVAIL. AS MOISTURE
SLOWLY INCREASES...LIGHT RAIN MAY DEVELOP OVER THE AREA...PROBABLY
AFTER 3 AM CST. THINK MOST LOCATIONS WILL STAY DRY TONIGHT.
LOCATIONS SOUTH OF INTERSTATE 85 INCLUDING TROY AND EUFAULA WILL
EXPERIENCE HIGHER RAIN CHANCES AND MAY GET WET AS EARLY AS MIDNIGHT
WHERE DEEPER MOISTURE AND STRONGER LIFT WILL BE.

RIGHT NOW...THE CHANCES FOR FROZEN PRECIPITATION TONIGHT IS VERY LOW
TO NONE. THE LACK OF DEEP MOISTURE...STRONG LIFT...AND SUPPLY OF
COLD AIR WILL KEEP ANY PRECIPITATION IN LIQUID FORM.

ON THURSDAY...APPEARS MOST PLACES WILL GET WET AS A LOW PRESSURE
SYSTEM OVER THE CENTRAL PLAINS APPROACHES...BRINGING GOOD LIFT.
RAINFALL AMOUNTS WILL LIKELY BE ON THE LIGHT SIDE...NOT EXCEEDING
ONE QUARTER INCH IN MOST LOCATIONS.

TEMPERATURES TONIGHT SHOULD REMAIN STEADY IN MOST LOCATIONS AS CLOUD
COVER AND WARM AIR ADVECTION WILL KEEP THEM FROM FALLING.

WINDS TONIGHT WILL INCREASE A BIT TO AROUND 10 MPH IN MOST LOCATIONS
AND UP TO 20 MPH ON RIDGETOPS AND HIGHER LOCATIONS AS A LOW LEVEL
JET INCREASES.

CURRENT FORECAST HANDLE THINGS VERY WELL AND WILL ONLY MAKE
MINOR ADJUSTMENTS.

&&

.UPDATE...WILL ONLY MAKE SMALL ADJUSTMENTS TO WEATHER ELEMENTS
TONIGHT SUCH AS TEMPERATURE...SKY COVER...AND RAIN CHANCES.
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#112 Postby Brent » Wed Dec 07, 2005 10:17 pm

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION...UPDATED
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE PEACHTREE CITY GA
1010 PM EST WED DEC 7 2005

.UPDATE...
PLENTY OF ISENTROPIC UPGLIDE SO PRECIPITATION WILL EVENTUALLY
OVERSPREAD THE STATE. HOWEVER...00Z SOUNDINGS SHOW A LOT OF
DRY AIR BELOW 10 THOUSAND FEET. PRECIPITATION WILL REMAIN ALOFT
UNTIL THAT LAYER GETS SATURATED FROM ABOVE. THIS SHOULD HAPPEN
OVER CENTRAL GEORGIA FIRST AND THEN NORTH GEORGIA...BUT IT WILL
TAKE MUCH...IF NOT ALL...OF THE OVERNIGHT PERIOD TO GET IT DONE.
WILL LOWER POPS IN THE NORTH TO 20 PERCENT SINCE IT LOOKS LIKE
NOTHING MEASURABLE WILL FALL UNTIL AROUND DAYBREAK.

PARTIAL THICKNESSES OFF THE NAM STILL SEEM TO CONFIRM PRECIP TYPE
WILL BE MOSTLY RAIN. BUT...THERE REMAINS A CHANCE OF SLEET FOR A
WHILE THURSDAY IN THE NORTHEAST. IN ADDITION...EVAPORATIVE COOLING
MAY ALLOW FOR A BRIEF PERIOD OF SLEET AS PRECIP FIRST BREAKS THROUGH
TO THE SURFACE IN MANY NORTHERN COUNTIES.

SURFACE WETBULB READINGS DO NOT LOOK LOW ENOUGH FOR FREEZING RAIN
AT THIS TIME...BUT THESE WILL NEED TO BE MONITORED.
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#113 Postby JenyEliza » Wed Dec 07, 2005 10:34 pm

Brent wrote:What's your temp JenyEliza?? 46.6 here UP from 44.6 about two hours ago. :roll:



Sitting right on 40 right now. Temp falling....not rising.

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#114 Postby Brent » Thu Dec 08, 2005 3:06 am

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE PEACHTREE CITY GA
245 AM EST THU DEC 8 2005

.SHORT TERM...(TODAY THROUGH FRIDAY NIGHT)
STILL WATCHING POTENTIAL FOR WINTER PRECIP OVER N GA IN THE FORM OF
SLEET AND THEN RAIN. GREATEST POTENTIAL WILL BE OVER THE NE
MOUNTAINS WHERE A LONGER PERIOD OF SLEET COULD OCCUR AND MAYBE
EVEN BRIEF FREEZING RAIN IN THE COLDER VALLEYS WHERE SURFACE
TEMPERATURES GET BELOW FREEZING AND THE PRECIP FALLS AS RAIN.
ANYWHERE S OF THE N GA MOUNTAINS SHOULD ONLY SEE A BRIEF PERIOD OF
SLEET AND THEN RAIN. MOST PRECIP WILL BE DEVELOPING ANY TIME THIS
MORNING INTO AFTERNOON.
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#115 Postby JenyEliza » Thu Dec 08, 2005 8:05 am

It's 42F and very cloudy where I'm at...but no precip of any kind so far this morning. Our local OCMs aren't impressed with the chances for significant winter wx. They said there shouldn't be any travel problems from the little bit of sleet they say we *might*

Of course, I have a class today from 10 am until 2pm--on the other side of town no less--so that almost guarantees there will be some messy weather I'll get to drive home in. ;)

I'll post conditions when I can.

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#116 Postby Brent » Thu Dec 08, 2005 10:54 am

There's one problem... there's no precip.

What a bust. :roll:
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#117 Postby JenyEliza » Thu Dec 08, 2005 3:03 pm

Brent wrote:There's one problem... there's no precip.

What a bust. :roll:


There's been precip here since about 9 am--its just that 36 degrees, so its all rain. :(

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#118 Postby ga_ben » Thu Dec 08, 2005 4:18 pm

Our pavement is barely wet here in Marietta, but more substantial rain is back into Alabama. Should move through here later on tonite.
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#119 Postby JenyEliza » Thu Dec 08, 2005 5:38 pm

ga_ben wrote:Our pavement is barely wet here in Marietta, but more substantial rain is back into Alabama. Should move through here later on tonite.
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#120 Postby breeze » Thu Dec 08, 2005 8:38 pm

Never fear.

We got screwed outta snow here in southern
middle-Tennessee, too! WAAAAHHH!!! :cry:
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