Hamas controls Palestine,Israel wont negociate with them

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#21 Postby alicia-w » Thu Jan 26, 2006 12:13 pm

whatever. that doesnt have anything to do with this conversation.
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#22 Postby alicia-w » Thu Jan 26, 2006 12:25 pm

Behind the headlines: The Hamas Democracy Hypocrisy

28 Sep 2005
The participation of Hamas in the PA elections would be nothing more than a bid by this group of Islamist extremists to seize power from moderate Palestinians who are interested in coexistence with Israel.

Israeli security officials announced Monday (September 26) that Jerusalem businessman Sasson Nuriel was kidnapped and slain by a Hamas terrorist cell last week. His bound body was found in Beitunya, near Ramallah. Nuriel, 55, was the owner of a candy factory in the Mishor Adumim industrial zone near the capital.

Hamas claimed responsibility for his abduction and murder in a video it broadcast worldwide on Tuesday. This terrorist organization is responsible for the kidnap-slayings of nine other Israelis since 1989 and is thought to be resuming them for use as a bargaining tactic against Israel.

Nuriel's gruesome slaying comes against Hamas's declaration on Sunday that it would halt its Kassam rocket and mortar attacks on southern Israel from the Gaza Strip, apparently in a bid to win inclusion in the upcoming Palestinian Authority elections. This declaration (since violated by rocket fire on Tuesday) should be seen as it is - a ploy to gain political power while continuing to pursue terrorist violence.

Hamas must be made to decide whether it is a political party or a terrorist organization. It cannot be both.

There is no difference, except in name, between the "military" and "political" wings of Hamas - they are run by the same people and operate under the same ideology. Hamas does not recognize Israel's right to exist, and has done everything in its power to undermine the peace process. Its founding charter calls for the death of Jews, and vows to confront Israel through armed struggle until it is utterly destroyed.

The participation of Hamas in the PA elections would be nothing more than a bid by this group of Islamist extremists to seize power from moderate Palestinians who are interested in coexistence with Israel. It would be an abuse of democracy, in order to promote terrorism and violence as political tools.

No international legitimacy can be granted to Hamas as long as it refuses to accept the basic criteria necessary to be considered a legitimate political player - first and foremost the renunciation of terrorism, the acceptance of the principle of a negotiated solution, and the recognition of Israel’s right to exist. Without these, Hamas constitutes a dangerous Trojan horse in the Palestinian democratic process, gravely jeopardizing the aspirations of both Israelis and moderate Palestinians for the peace and security which these two peoples deserve.


http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism-+Obstacle+to+Peace/Terror+Groups/Hamas%20kidnaps%20and%20slays%20Jerusalem%20businessman%2028-Sep-2005

yeah, that's a real nice group of folks alright.

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#23 Postby cycloneye » Thu Jan 26, 2006 12:31 pm

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Iran has congratulated the Islamist Palestinian group Hamas for its election victory and praised voters for choosing "to continue the struggle and resistance against occupation".



Hamid Reza Asefi, the foreign ministry spokesman said in a statement on Thursday faxed to journalists:"The Islamic republic of Iran congratulates Hamas and all the Palestinian soldiers and the great Islamic people."

Iran and Hamas are allies and declared in December that they represented a "united front" against Israel. "The Palestinians have voted for the resistance and have shown their loyalty," Asefi said.

"The result of these elections will reinforce the unity of the Palestinian people in defending their rights. The massive participation of the Palestinians shows their will to continue the struggle and resistance against occupation."

Although Iran is a vocal supporter of Hamas - as well as the Palestinian resitance group Islamic Jihad and the Lebanese Shia movement Hizb Allah - the clerical regime denies allegations it finances these groups.


It did not took too long for Iran as I said at this thread in above post to be happy with this victory by Hamas.
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#24 Postby alicia-w » Thu Jan 26, 2006 12:33 pm

frightening times are ahead.
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#25 Postby MiamiensisWx » Thu Jan 26, 2006 12:37 pm

wxcrazytwo wrote:Alicia, "GOOD"= INTERESTING. Things are not goint to disintegrate fast, unless the U.S. pulls one of its favorite foreign policies (will not get political here). I am going to reserve judgment and see how it goes.


I agree. Many times when things like this have happened in the Middle East, many expected things to run into total disaster quickly. However, time and time again, those predictions have, somewhat remarkably, been proven wrong. This means that there are no easy conclusions. Nothing is ever black and white. The world is full of surprises. Who agrees?

Still, these things need to be watched. It still waits to be seen how things play out.
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#26 Postby wxcrazytwo » Thu Jan 26, 2006 12:38 pm

alicia-w wrote:frightening times are ahead.


as long as we keep poking are ugly heads, yes frightening times are indeed ahead.
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#27 Postby MiamiensisWx » Thu Jan 26, 2006 12:39 pm

wxcrazytwo wrote:as long as we keep poking are ugly heads, yes frightening times are indeed ahead.


What do you mean by that? Can you explain it a bit more clearly?
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#28 Postby alicia-w » Thu Jan 26, 2006 12:40 pm

as long as we keep poking are ugly heads, yes frightening times are indeed ahead


okay, i'll leave yours alone then. :-)
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#29 Postby wxcrazytwo » Thu Jan 26, 2006 12:43 pm

alicia-w wrote:
as long as we keep poking are ugly heads, yes frightening times are indeed ahead


okay, i'll leave yours alone then. :-)
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#30 Postby Stratosphere747 » Thu Jan 26, 2006 12:45 pm

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wxcrazytwo wrote:as long as we keep poking are ugly heads, yes frightening times are indeed ahead.


What do you mean by that? Can you explain it a bit more clearly?


I'm interested too....

I doubt we stand aside and watch the complete destruction of Israel...
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#31 Postby MiamiensisWx » Thu Jan 26, 2006 12:45 pm

Can we get back to the main topic?
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#32 Postby MiamiensisWx » Thu Jan 26, 2006 12:47 pm

Stratosphere747 wrote:I'm interested too....

I doubt we stand aside and watch the complete destruction of Israel...


I agree... some form of intervention to try to solve this issue is needed!
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#33 Postby wxcrazytwo » Thu Jan 26, 2006 12:58 pm

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#34 Postby Derek Ortt » Thu Jan 26, 2006 2:39 pm

ours called for violenece? Give me a break Protecting our nation's national security is not aggression
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#35 Postby Stephanie » Thu Jan 26, 2006 2:49 pm

Matt-hurricanewatcher wrote:Hopefully Cycloneye we can all hope.


Yes we can. President Bush tried to put a positive spin (the only thing he could do for the moment) on a very dangerous situation. He's absolutely right - this vote is a wake-up call in a form of a nightmare. :eek:
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#36 Postby gtalum » Thu Jan 26, 2006 3:02 pm

Derek Ortt wrote:ours called for violenece? Give me a break Protecting our nation's national security is not aggression


Yeah but starting a war against a nation that is no threat to our security is. ;)
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#37 Postby kevin » Thu Jan 26, 2006 4:00 pm

Matt-hurricanewatcher wrote:Hamas are Terrorist but a few south american country's have now dictators. Hamas said clearly that they are going to keep up trying to destroy Israel. This is very very bad.


I think I can speak for the majority here, please work on your english composition. It will help your points come across in a more comprehensible manner.

I am interested in which Latin American nations have established dictatorships? Also, please explain how elected socialists are in any way exceeding the lack of freedom that Latin America had just a few decades ago. Latin America has had many dictatorships over the years, a dozen or so instituted and supported by these United States. What makes this situation dangerous?

I'm also interested in your connection between Hamas and the emergence of socialist governments in Latin America. I am afraid I do not see a connection between them, and I am also do not view the emergence of socialism as a threat in Latin America to our national security but only to American corporate interests. The drug war cannot be solved through eradication of crops because that will simply boost profits for the middle men who are the ones fighting against us in that war. Since America has another boogey-man you can expect the drug war to decline unless it somehow gets integrated into the fight against terrorists.
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#38 Postby Aslkahuna » Thu Jan 26, 2006 4:59 pm

I would appear that the Human Race is on its way to fulling its Destiny of self destruction-proof positive that God CAN make a mistake. That said, however, should be note that Al Fatah was the Hamas of the 1960's and 70's.

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#39 Postby kevin » Thu Jan 26, 2006 5:04 pm

You were correct in your last half. This isn't the end of the world. Even if all the Palestinians blow themselves up tomorrow rushing at Israeli homes it will only be the end of a few million people.

But of course that isn't going to happen. We've known forever that Hamas has the support of the majority of the Palestinians. Hamas does things for THEM that no one else does, and it doesn't matter to THEM what Hamas does to the Israelis. But to Hamas it matters what they do to the Israelis. Hamas is at war with Israel, but if they are involved in the political process they will probably slip into the shadows of politics. Politics and war aren't that far apart.

I just don't see the need for the sky is falling, all the Palestinians did was vote their interests. They demonstrated what they already were acting upon. Nothing changed between the day before the election and the day after the election except the Palestinians have shown that they are ignoring all those who think they know better. They are probably wrong, but its not a bad thing when people voice their secret loyalties.
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#40 Postby f5 » Thu Jan 26, 2006 5:33 pm

Hamastan has become reality.Folks its time to wake up the Palestinians don't want a state beside Israel they want it INSIDE Israel
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