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#21 Postby alicia-w » Fri Mar 10, 2006 7:41 am

gtalum wrote:Their race has nothing to do with it. What does have something to do with it is the fact that the UAE government owns DP World and the UAE government has close ties to OBL and Al Quaeda.


you are SO right. this is the bottom line. i dont know how "racism" has anything to do with it at all. Arabs arent a "race" of people anyway. Do you ever see a separate category for Arabs or Jews on an application? Give the race card a rest already.
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#22 Postby gtalum » Fri Mar 10, 2006 7:45 am

rainstorm wrote:you may be interested to know that china is a close ally of iran, who makes daily threats to the united states. oh, and china manages some ports on the west coast

thanks. there must be some reason these brave politicians arent demanding china get away from our ports now!! and here is something rather odd. did you know there have been no complaints from san francisco, that china, who sides with our most dangerous enemy iran, get out of it ports? and yet, the city council of san francisco refused to allow a us military ship to be docked at those chinese ports, to be used as a museum to honor our brave military?


Politicians are cowards, and will never do something they perceieve as unpopular.

As far as China, I have been soundign off about their involvement in our ports ever since President CLinton sold us out to them. I wasn't really shocked to see Dubya trying to do the same by selling us out to the UAE.
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#23 Postby alicia-w » Fri Mar 10, 2006 7:46 am

they all have their price....
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#24 Postby Merovingian » Fri Mar 10, 2006 8:39 am

rainstorm wrote:
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Merovingian wrote:Not to mention that the DPW spent 6.8 to 8 billion dollars on this deal. Last time I checked, sneaking a bomb into the United States on any one of 95% of unchecked cargo ships was a lot cheaper.

And not to mention that the UAE donated over twice as much money for Hurricane Katrina relief than all other nations, combined.


great post
Thanks. I'm just disappointed in the fearmongering on Capitol Hill.


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#25 Postby nystate » Fri Mar 10, 2006 10:06 am

you are SO right. this is the bottom line. i dont know how "racism" has anything to do with it at all. Arabs arent a "race" of people anyway. Do you ever see a separate category for Arabs or Jews on an application? Give the race card a rest already.


Bottom line-

We told the UAE that they couldn't operate the port because they are Arab. Keep in mind that Israel, the country with probably the best counterterrorism intelligence on earth, approved the deal and the UAE company as safe. Keep in mind that US Navy ships stop in the UAE more than any other country on earth besides the US. Keep in mind that the country that the UAE was trying to buy the ports from, England, has exported its own fair shair of terrorists, including shoe-bomber Richard Reeve.

Keep in mind that this was a racist decision, that the UAE is not a threat to our national security and that the only reason we slapped our ally in the face like this was because they were Arab.

That is just not right, and it is something that we as Americans should be ashamed of.

I have never, ever been so ashamed of my country.
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#26 Postby alicia-w » Fri Mar 10, 2006 10:08 am

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#27 Postby gtalum » Fri Mar 10, 2006 10:10 am

nystate wrote:We told the UAE that they couldn't operate the port because they are Arab.


Sorry, they wer enever told they couldn't operate the port. They backed off in order to avoid a showdown.

Keep in mind that this was a racist decision, that the UAE is not a threat to our national security and that the only reason we slapped our ally in the face like this was because they were Arab.


Race has nothing to do with it. Their known ties to OBL and Al Quaeda, however, do.


I have never, ever been so ashamed of my country.


Me too, but primarily because of the president's now-proven fetish for selling us out.
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#28 Postby alicia-w » Fri Mar 10, 2006 10:12 am

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#29 Postby nystate » Fri Mar 10, 2006 10:42 am

Sorry, they wer enever told they couldn't operate the port. They backed off in order to avoid a showdown


Actually, the GOP and Democrats alike were going to kill the deal if they didn't back off. I don't know how you missed that seeing as how it has been in the news for the past few days.
Race has nothing to do with it. Their known ties to OBL and Al Quaeda, however, do.


England has ties to Al Qaeda. The US has ties to Al Qaeda. Israel approved the deal as safe, and they certainly know more about terrorists than all of the ignorant people against this deal combined.

Going by that logic, the US shouldn't operate any ports because fundamental terrorists like Tim McVeigh originated in our country.

Me too, but primarily because of the president's now-proven fetish for selling us out.


How is the President selling us out? The UAE company wanted to buy the ports from a British Company. The ports were already in foreign hands, the only difference is what country operates them. The President wasn't selling the ports, the British Company that operates them was.

Racism, pure and simple. The vast majority of Americans "don't want them darned Ay-rabs runnin our ports" simply because they are Arabs. Which is remarkably like the 1950s...
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#30 Postby alicia-w » Fri Mar 10, 2006 10:52 am

can you elaborate on what specifically is like "the 50s" related to this topic? if you're referring to racism against blacks, it's very naive to limit it to one decade.
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#31 Postby gtalum » Fri Mar 10, 2006 10:57 am

nystate wrote:England has ties to Al Qaeda. The US has ties to Al Qaeda.


Not the kind of ties the UAE has. Sure there may or may not be Al Quaeda operatives inside the US and England. But the governments are not tied to the organization. President Clinton, however, called off a hit on OBL because an Emirati prince was hunting with him at the time. That's close ties.

President Bush, just like President Clinton, will sell us out to make a profit. He has proven it. I implicitly trust the UK to run our ports, but I would prefer them to be run domestically. I do not trust a nation who has close ties to Al Quaeda. I have no doubt that the people who run DP World now have nothing more than profit in mind, and that's fine. However, the fact that the UAE government has ties to Al Quaeda leaves me with nagging doubts about their ability to keep Al Quaeda operatives out of our ports.

Calling it racism is nothing but political dreck like the infamous race card nearly always is.
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#32 Postby nystate » Fri Mar 10, 2006 11:47 am

President Bush, just like President Clinton, will sell us out to make a profit. He has proven it. I implicitly trust the UK to run our ports, but I would prefer them to be run domestically. I do not trust a nation who has close ties to Al Quaeda. I have no doubt that the people who run DP World now have nothing more than profit in mind, and that's fine. However, the fact that the UAE government has ties to Al Quaeda leaves me with nagging doubts about their ability to keep Al Quaeda operatives out of our ports.


Once again, Israel, a country with the best counter-terrorism intelligence in the world, approved the deal and the company as safe. We are at the same amount of risk with the US or UK running our ports as we are the UAE. The UAE has been one of our only Middle Eastern allies (besides Israel) in the war on terror; to do this to them is nothing but a slap in the face and it certainly will not win us any more allies in the region or elsewhere throughout the world.
Not the kind of ties the UAE has. Sure there may or may not be Al Quaeda operatives inside the US and England. But the governments are not tied to the organization. President Clinton, however, called off a hit on OBL because an Emirati prince was hunting with him at the time. That's close ties.


Tell me, if they have such close ties to terror then why are they one of our leading allies against Al Qaeda-

The U.A.E. contributes to the continued security and stability of the Gulf and the Straits of Hormuz. It is a leading partner in the campaign against terrorism, providing assistance in the military, diplomatic, and financial arenas since September 11, 2001. The U.A.E. military currently provides humanitarian assistance to Iraq.

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/5444.htm

Or perhaps you were referring to this-

The United States has enjoyed friendly relations with the U.A.E. since 1971. Private commercial ties, especially in petroleum, have developed into friendly government-to-government ties which include security assistance. The breadth, depth, and quality of U.S.-U.A.E. relations increased dramatically as a result of the U.S.-led coalition's campaign to end the Iraqi occupation of Kuwait. In 2002, the U.S. and the U.A.E. launched a strategic partnership dialogue covering virtually every aspect of the relationship. The U.A.E. has been a key partner in the war on terror after September 11, 2001. The United States was the third country to establish formal diplomatic relations with the U.A.E. and has had an ambassador resident in the U.A.E. since 1974.

From the same source.

But many Americans will overlook this. After all, all Arabs must be terrorists, right?
Calling it racism is nothing but political dreck like the infamous race card nearly always is.


Calling racism in this case is calling it like it is.
can you elaborate on what specifically is like "the 50s" related to this topic? if you're referring to racism against blacks, it's very naive to limit it to one decade.


Right, sorry. The Arabs are feeling now what African-Americans have felt throughout most of American history.
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#33 Postby alicia-w » Fri Mar 10, 2006 12:07 pm

sorry, i cant sympathize. as a member of a people who have been ostracized for THOUSANDS of years, I have no sympathy for what the poor Arabs must be going through.....

though I may be sorely tempted to reply to future posts, this is my absolute last post on this subject.

i wont dignify it any more with additional responses.
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#34 Postby nystate » Fri Mar 10, 2006 12:27 pm

sorry, i cant sympathize. as a member of a people who have been ostracized for THOUSANDS of years, I have no sympathy for what the poor Arabs must be going through.....


Exactly the same type of logic that led to the Holocaust in the 1940s and the enslavement of Blacks in 18th and 19th century America.
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#35 Postby rainstorm » Fri Mar 10, 2006 12:27 pm

Merovingian wrote:
rainstorm wrote:
Merovingian wrote:
rainstorm wrote:
Merovingian wrote:Not to mention that the DPW spent 6.8 to 8 billion dollars on this deal. Last time I checked, sneaking a bomb into the United States on any one of 95% of unchecked cargo ships was a lot cheaper.

And not to mention that the UAE donated over twice as much money for Hurricane Katrina relief than all other nations, combined.


great post
Thanks. I'm just disappointed in the fearmongering on Capitol Hill.


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What a beautiful piece of advice. :)[/quote

crowds are usually made up of cowards afraid to go against the mob. the brave stand alone. i am deeply ashamed of our nation today. its like the old west where the sheriff stands up against a lynch mob. watch the media today. they are starting to say the deal wasnt all that bad, it was bush's fault we hate arabs so much. president bush from the beginning has urged us to recognize this isnt a war against all arabs
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#36 Postby rainstorm » Fri Mar 10, 2006 12:35 pm

nystate wrote:
sorry, i cant sympathize. as a member of a people who have been ostracized for THOUSANDS of years, I have no sympathy for what the poor Arabs must be going through.....


Exactly the same type of logic that led to the Holocaust in the 1940s and the enslavement of Blacks in 18th and 19th century America.


exactly nystate. i am horrified and embarrassed today. look at australia. no lynch mob has formed there
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#37 Postby rainstorm » Fri Mar 10, 2006 12:43 pm

alicia-w wrote:can you elaborate on what specifically is like "the 50s" related to this topic? if you're referring to racism against blacks, it's very naive to limit it to one decade.


this is what this horrifying episode reminds me of. back when the kkk would go out and lynch a black guy because a white girl said she was assulted by a black guy. never mind if it was the right black guy, or even if the girl was assulted by anyone, let alone a black man. this visceral reaction to the port deal sickens me. facts simply cant penetrate the hate in this case.

and again, australia, fighting right alongside of us, rejected anti-arab xenophobia, and the dubai compnay is safely and effeiciantly operating australian terminals. amazing, isnt it? this isnt the america i thought i was part of
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#38 Postby Stephanie » Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:04 pm

gtalum wrote:It is truly shocking to see congress acting in a bipartisan manner to actually increase our national security instead of just grandstanding about it or limiting freedoms. Good job!


AMEN TO THAT!!

I agree that UAE have been our allies for many years, but it's time to face the fact that the ONLY thing we've focussed on securing is our airports and not shipping ports, not borders, etc. To me, the fact that this was approved behind the doors (again) tells me that we really do not have a serious and reliable way to protect our homeland from terror. At least nothing that makes me, and many of the citizens confident of. If there was a strong plan, guarantees, checks and balances to ensure that the ports would be safe (like 95% check of containers instead of 5%), then I would say yes, let the UAE company run the port operations.
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#39 Postby SouthFloridawx » Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:10 pm

this was a decision based on fear, not facts


The united states had made a lot decisions in the past few years on "fear" and not facts please. This country has been driven to make decisions based on fear of being attacked.

Thanks. I'm just disappointed in the fearmongering on Capitol Hill.


The same fear mongering that has been going on since 9/11. We see it on tv, radio and in the newspaper a lot of the time. No wonder america made a decision based on fear and not facts. The media sucks and you know it.
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#40 Postby SouthFloridawx » Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:12 pm

Me too, but primarily because of the president's now-proven fetish for selling us out.


So true
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