Israel thread #2

[NBCintern]

I quoted Pat because he made sense, I don't like the guy, but that statement made sense

Ohh, I see... even if I don't like someone whom I think someone else might like, I'll cherry pick one of their quotes in the hopes it'll lend credibility to my argument? Doesn't wash.

There were many more players in WWII and you know it. We bombed Japan because of you know what. We made a point and it ended it. Dresden was bombed dramatically, I believe that put Germany on notice. Anyways, there is no good when weapons are used.

I'm sorry; but that made absolutely no sense whatsoever. And you didn't in any way counter the analogy that sometimes "civilians" are tragically killed when two parties are warring against each other. I repeat: YOUR mentality seems to suggest that we shouldn't have bombed those German or Japanese cities because of the UNDOUBTED and DOCUMENTED countless thousands of "civilian casualties"... it had to be done to root out and destroy an EVIL. Hezbollah is an EVIL... and Israel is doing what it feels is its only option to prevent that EVIL from realizing its ultimate and publicly proclaimed objective: and that is the annihilation of Israel. It's called self defense.

A2K

I stood in silence because I agree civs are a part of war and stuff happens.

[NBCintern]

It must be understood that they are have bombs that they cannot input "hit this target like Isreal has", but that they are aiming to disable the Isreali infrastructure."

Most of your post was rather undecipherable, so if it must be understood could you explain it in a more lucid manner?

Or explain how they managed to target AND hit an Israeli naval vessel?

LOL, sunny its a military vessel "all fair game when it comes to military targets." The US needs to really do more, but I don't think they can because their views are already compromised. Sending Condi will not resolve anything.

[sunny]

It must be understood that they are have bombs that they cannot input "hit this target like Isreal has", but that they are aiming to disable the Isreali infrastructure."

Most of your post was rather undecipherable, so if it must be understood could you explain it in a more lucid manner?

Or explain how they managed to target AND hit an Israeli naval vessel?

LOL, sunny its a military vessel "all fair game when it comes to military targets." The US needs to really do more, but I don't think they can because their views are already compromised. Sending Condi will not resolve anything.

lol - NBC you said It must be understood that they are have bombs that they cannot input "hit this target like Isreal has". Yet they did exactly that. Explain it.

[fwbbreeze]

It must be understood that they are have bombs that they cannot input "hit this target like Isreal has", but that they are aiming to disable the Isreali infrastructure."

Most of your post was rather undecipherable, so if it must be understood could you explain it in a more lucid manner?

Or explain how they managed to target AND hit an Israeli naval vessel?

LOL, sunny its a military vessel "all fair game when it comes to military targets." The US needs to really do more, but I don't think they can because their views are already compromised. Sending Condi will not resolve anything.

Anybody on here got a decoder or translator... ...I need help making sense of what is being typed!!!

fwbbreeze

[Audrey2Katrina]

I think what truly brought this out was way back when Ariel Sharon visited a palestenian holy site that the palestinians told him not to go.

How about "analyzing BOTH sides here?" That "site" was the Temple Mount... and it's sacred to both JEWS and MUSLIMS... are you suggesting that only Muslims are entitled to visit the Mount? You're also not quoting one of the things Sharon said while going there: "I am hoping this to be an expression of peace...that we can both live together in peace.".... you see, now citing THAT, would've been giving both sides of a news story. I'll let that speak for itself.

We blamed the palestenians for enciting violence.

They DID... it is sacred to both religions... and should be accessible to both... like you said, there are always TWO sides to an argument. In a situation like this, I can see voicing both--you only voiced ONE side--the Palestinians. Again, speaks volumes

9/11 won't go there.

Wise move... although you're already on the record as to whose fault it was.

A2K

[NBCintern]

It must be understood that they are have bombs that they cannot input "hit this target like Isreal has", but that they are aiming to disable the Isreali infrastructure."

Most of your post was rather undecipherable, so if it must be understood could you explain it in a more lucid manner?

Or explain how they managed to target AND hit an Israeli naval vessel?

LOL, sunny its a military vessel "all fair game when it comes to military targets." The US needs to really do more, but I don't think they can because their views are already compromised. Sending Condi will not resolve anything.

lol - NBC you said It must be understood that they are have bombs that they cannot input "hit this target like Isreal has". Yet they did exactly that. Explain it.

Sunny, Israeli has weapons that have pin point accuracy. Hez jus aims in the general direction where they want it to go and bombs away. You have a few that sway, but for the most part they hit their intended target area.

[stormtruth]

I agree Hezbollah is hitting where they can. Actually, I agree with everything you said. The Israeli's have no choice but to pound the ground, which they will suffer massive casualties. However, are they going to go home like they did in the 80's with nothing. They have to finish it and that will be difficult, if not impossible. They didn't defeat Hezbollah in the past and I doubt they will this time without some help.

I think it is impossible for Israel to wipe out Hezbollah at this point. They even have cells here in the U.S. and in other countries. Israel will fight them for a couple weeks and hopefully destroy most of the missiles and then the fighting will stop and the Hezbollah irritant will remain as usual. And in the process of trying to kill Hezbollah they will probably create more future terrorists.

[sunny]

Got news for you dude, I already KNOW that. You made the agrument that Hezbollah didn't have missiles that they could use to specifically target. Well obviously they did. I am asking you to address your "claim".

[NBCintern]

It must be understood that they are have bombs that they cannot input "hit this target like Isreal has", but that they are aiming to disable the Isreali infrastructure."

Most of your post was rather undecipherable, so if it must be understood could you explain it in a more lucid manner?

Or explain how they managed to target AND hit an Israeli naval vessel?

LOL, sunny its a military vessel "all fair game when it comes to military targets." The US needs to really do more, but I don't think they can because their views are already compromised. Sending Condi will not resolve anything.

Anybody on here got a decoder or translator... ...I need help making sense of what is being typed!!!

fwbbreeze

Figure it out fwbreeze.

[Audrey2Katrina]

KIDNAPPING YES, BOMBING I BELIEVE ISRAEL DID FIRST

DO YOU THINK SHOUTING IN ALL CAPS GIVES YOU AN OUNCE MORE CREDIBILITY?

The answer is NO! An occassional emphasis is fine; but all cap sentences make it look like you're trying to shout down your opposition--never works.

Incidentally... perhaps the reason you are "unaware" is the objectivity of all your news sources. Terrorists have NEVER stopped altogether their lobbing of bombs into Israel, either from Gaza, or the North... it's just that the kidnapping of the soldiers was sort of the straw that broke the proverbial camel's back.

May it do the same for Hezbollah!

A2K

[Audrey2Katrina]

I stood in silence because I agree civs are a part of war and stuff happens.

Glad to hear you've had that epiphany... now maybe we'll hear less about the "civilian" casualties as some sort of reason to blame Israel for the actions that Hezbollah brought down on their own heads.

A2K

[NBCintern]

KIDNAPPING YES, BOMBING I BELIEVE ISRAEL DID FIRST

DO YOU THINK SHOUTING IN ALL CAPS GIVES YOU AN OUNCE MORE CREDIBILITY?

The answer is NO! An occassional emphasis is fine; but all cap sentences make it look like you're trying to shout down your opposition--never works.

Incidentally... perhaps the reason you are "unaware" is the objectivity of all your news sources. Terrorists have NEVER stopped altogether their lobbing of bombs into Israel, either from Gaza, or the North... it's just that the kidnapping of the soldiers was sort of the straw that broke the proverbial camel's back.

May it do the same for Hezbollah!

A2K

Both sides have done the same. Neither is right. Hez should not have kidnapped the soldiers, because they knew that it would inferiorate the Israeli's. Who knows, but the situation needs to stop because it will get worse.

[fwbbreeze]

"Umm, have you taken a look at the death ratio. What is seems to me is that the Hezbollah are striking specific targets. While the Isrealis are targeting whom ever is in the way. Pat Buchana said it best "The Israelis killing innocent civilians and Hezbollah militants as a collective people. The Israeli's have a right to defend, but do not group a group to the whole.""

"Sunny, Israeli has weapons that have pin point accuracy. Hez jus aims in the general direction where they want it to go and bombs away. You have a few that sway, but for the most part they hit their intended target area."

Both of the above comments were left by NBCintern....these two statements are a contradiction in terms.

fwbbreeze

[NBCintern]

I stood in silence because I agree civs are a part of war and stuff happens.

Glad to hear you've had that epiphany... now maybe we'll hear less about the "civilian" casualties as some sort of reason to blame Israel for the actions that Hezbollah brought down on their own heads.

A2K

How many militants have they killed? How many lebanese army soldiers have they killed (which they said they would not target)? This is more than just about the Hez.

[NBCintern]

"Umm, have you taken a look at the death ratio. What is seems to me is that the Hezbollah are striking specific targets. While the Isrealis are targeting whom ever is in the way. Pat Buchana said it best "The Israelis killing innocent civilians and Hezbollah militants as a collective people. The Israeli's have a right to defend, but do not group a group to the whole.""

"Sunny, Israeli has weapons that have pin point accuracy. Hez jus aims in the general direction where they want it to go and bombs away. You have a few that sway, but for the most part they hit their intended target area."

Both of the above comments were left by NBCintern....these two statements are a contradiction in terms.

fwbbreeze

Nope, show me. I said intended target areas.

[Audrey2Katrina]

Both sides have done the same

This is FLAGRANTLY wrong! Israel has not deliberately sought out, and TARGETTED civilian populations... Hezbollah HAS... in fact Hezbollah has said "ALL IS FAIR GAME..." While Israel has NOT... this is clearly not the "same thing."

A2K

[sunny]

Nope, show me. I said intended target areas.

Okay:

First you said: What is seems to me is that the Hezbollah are striking specific targets. While the Isrealis are targeting whom ever is in the way.

THEN you said Israeli has weapons that have pin point accuracy. Hez jus aims in the general direction where they want it to go and bombs away

A direct contradiction.

[Janice]

If the two Israeli captives turn up dead, the other side will just say they died from an Israeli rocket, etc.

[Audrey2Katrina]

How many militants have they killed? How many lebanese army soldiers have they killed (which they said they would not target)? This is more than just about the Hez.

How many militants were killed in the carpet bombings of Hamburg or Tokyo? This is a pointless argument. The fact remains that Hezbollah, being the gutless cowards they are, ensconse themselves AMONG civilians with deliberation, and pointedly for the purpose of raising a civilian death toll. How you can find fault with Israel responding in the way they do given the circumstances is beyond logic. I think Kelly got it right; all your efforts at objectivity notwithstanding, you are an apologist for terrorists IMO.

A2K

[fwbbreeze]

in one instace you say "Hezbollah are striking specific targets" in the next you say "Hez just aims in the general direction where they want to go"...that is about as un specific as you can get.

you also point out "while the Isrealis are targeting whom ever is in the way" in the first thread then you totally CONTRADICT yourself with this comment "Israeli has weapons that have pin point accuracy".

SO WHICH IS IT???

fwbbreeze