BREAKING NEWS: Andrea Yates Not Guilty in Retrial

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#101 Postby rainstorm » Wed Jul 26, 2006 3:52 pm

"Vengeance is mine...I will repay. (PS 94:1-3; Rom 12:19)" That is probably the phrase you should repeat...rather than allow anger to overcome you. If you have a belief in God, then you can rest in the FACT that God gets those in the end who need to be got. If you don't, well then I can understand the anger."

then no one should be punished by courts of law, only by god?
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#102 Postby Janice » Wed Jul 26, 2006 3:54 pm

There are two sets of laws. One here on earth and one in the hereafter. You have to pay for crimes while alive on earth. Then, you repent to God for forgiveness.
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#103 Postby rainstorm » Wed Jul 26, 2006 3:56 pm

alicia-w wrote:they're offering a plea on the off chance that she might take it instead of taking the chance of losing her not guilty by reason of insanity. if she is convicted again, she'll get a heckuva lot more than 35 years. her lawyer is an idiot for not taking the deal.


actually, she ended up quite rational it not taking the deal. and she will be out very soon. afterall, her kids are dead and her docs will soon certify her quite sane
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#104 Postby gtalum » Wed Jul 26, 2006 3:58 pm

rainstorm wrote:then no one should be punished by courts of law, only by god?


Since I don't believe in God, I think this is a bad course of action. However, I think he wa sjust trying to give you a silver lining for your cloud. If she truly is insane, though, and God exists, I doubt He would punish her.
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#105 Postby gtalum » Wed Jul 26, 2006 3:58 pm

rainstorm wrote:actually, she ended up quite rational it not taking the deal. and she will be out very soon. afterall, her kids are dead and her docs will soon certify her quite sane


Not likely. She'll die in the state institution.
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#106 Postby Janice » Wed Jul 26, 2006 4:01 pm

You never know. She may not last long in a mental institution. Just like prisons, people do not like mothers who kill their children.
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#107 Postby CajunMama » Wed Jul 26, 2006 4:02 pm

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Janice wrote:What do you mean she loved them to death..... those kids meant nothing to her. She wanted a way out of the job of raising them.


i agree with you janice. i think she wanted a way out of raising them too. i read somewhere that yates was suicidal. susan smith claimed she wanted to kill herself, not her kids. time and again these mothers claim to be suicidal, yet when it comes time to make a choice as to which life to end, its never their own. yates was rational enough to decide not to end her own life. i would accept the idea of her insanity had she gone with her kids


You are wrong there. One of my dearest friends was mentally ill. She shot herself through her heart...leaving her 7 year old and 18 month old daughters to grow up without a mother.

You cannot even begin to imagine the hell these people go through. Meds, no meds, everyday is a struggle. I only hope that you never ever have to be treated for mental illness because there will be people blaming you for things that you could not control.
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#108 Postby rainstorm » Wed Jul 26, 2006 4:02 pm

george_r_1961 wrote:Why are they offering her a plea deal? She should NEVER walk free again. She deserves the needle but obviously thats not going to happen.


i agree, she certainly deserves far worse than she got
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#109 Postby CajunMama » Wed Jul 26, 2006 4:04 pm

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george_r_1961 wrote:Why are they offering her a plea deal? She should NEVER walk free again. She deserves the needle but obviously thats not going to happen.


i agree, she certainly deserves far worse than she got


let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
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#110 Postby Air Force Met » Wed Jul 26, 2006 4:05 pm

Janice wrote:I think a lot of us forget that the 5 children are the main issue here, not their mother. This is all over and I think we need to move on and pray for the souls of those little ones. Had she not done it now, she may have done it later. We will never know if she tried earlier. She is not the important one here. She will face her maker some day. Personally, I can't even imagine how she can get up each morning. If I wasn't insane while commiting this horrible act, I would surely be insane after I realized what I had done.


Well...in my opinion...and maybe this is why I am having an easier time with this...I don't need to pray for the souls for these little ones. In my religious beliefs they are already in heaven no ifs ands or buts.

YOu are right...she will face God one day. If she has not reonciled before that day...as all of us must do...she will pay the price...as all of us must pay if we are not reconciled.

How she gets up? I have no idea. If I were her I would not WANT to be made well...because that would drive me into insanity.

Now the husband...he should be thrown in jail...but there are no laws for being a terrible husband and horrible person. He was part in parcle for wanting and pushing the 5th child when the doctors and her psychs to her not to have another child that it would be very dangerous if she was to have another child due to her mental illness.

And yes...they knew she was mentally ill after the 4th one...and hubby ignored that and knocker her up again...and APY ...went along with it...I guess she wasn't in her right mind to say no...I have no idea...and nobody really knows.

However...they had the 5th one...and the rest is history...and it went downhill from there.

I saw him at Jason's Deli once. I could just see the incredible sadness in him...and I didn't know whether to go pray with him and hug him...or go slug him and knock him out. So...We just walked away. It was a horrible experience...
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#111 Postby Janice » Wed Jul 26, 2006 4:06 pm

You are so right, mama. I had a friend who's husband committed suicide. No one knew he was that depressed. He was not even on medication or requested any. He just ended it right away. IMO, we will never know if Andrea was mentally ill or not. I go thru deep depression and have to take medication. I have never thought of suicide or anything even when my children died. Like people say, mental illness is a science. Look at what people have done in the newspapers. Some normal like the man next door. I still am not convinced Andrea was mentally ill. Taking medications for depression does not indicate that. She and millions of people are depressed.
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#112 Postby Air Force Met » Wed Jul 26, 2006 4:09 pm

rainstorm wrote:"Vengeance is mine...I will repay. (PS 94:1-3; Rom 12:19)" That is probably the phrase you should repeat...rather than allow anger to overcome you. If you have a belief in God, then you can rest in the FACT that God gets those in the end who need to be got. If you don't, well then I can understand the anger."

then no one should be punished by courts of law, only by god?


I didn't say that. Romans 13 (et al) says that God gives us the courts and laws to do just that...and to do what was done today...but allowing ourselves to get angry about things and want justice past what the courts have dictated is not right.
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#113 Postby Janice » Wed Jul 26, 2006 4:11 pm

Remember, just because a jury says at one time she is guilty and another time she is mentally ill.....juries are funny, all different. Had she had different jurors, it could have turned out completely different.

OJ got off..... do you think he was guilty... they looked at the evidence too.
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#114 Postby rainstorm » Wed Jul 26, 2006 4:14 pm

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Janice wrote:What do you mean she loved them to death..... those kids meant nothing to her. She wanted a way out of the job of raising them.


i agree with you janice. i think she wanted a way out of raising them too. i read somewhere that yates was suicidal. susan smith claimed she wanted to kill herself, not her kids. time and again these mothers claim to be suicidal, yet when it comes time to make a choice as to which life to end, its never their own. yates was rational enough to decide not to end her own life. i would accept the idea of her insanity had she gone with her kids


You are wrong there. One of my dearest friends was mentally ill. She shot herself through her heart...leaving her 7 year old and 18 month old daughters to grow up without a mother.

You cannot even begin to imagine the hell these people go through. Meds, no meds, everyday is a struggle. I only hope that you never ever have to be treated for mental illness because there will be people blaming you for things that you could not control.


you are making my whole point. the woman you describe probably was mentally ill. she took her own life. i can imagine the hell these people go through. i can also imagine the very real hell yates 5 kids went through, while her supposedly suicidal mom made a very rational decision, despite her supposed suicidal tendaency, to spare her own life.

as far as your friend, i feel deep sympathy for her. i also respect her, if thats the right word, for not deciding to kill her 2 kids instead of herself. i feel yates actions were an extreme act of selfishness.

if yates was mentally ill, with suicidal desires, why did she spare her own life?

and this gets back to ted bundy, or a serial child molester/murderer. i dont think they could control what they do either. child molesters receive scant sympathy from anyone, yet how can they be sane and do that, repeatedly?
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#115 Postby Air Force Met » Wed Jul 26, 2006 4:16 pm

Janice wrote:You are so right, mama. I had a friend who's husband committed suicide. No one knew he was that depressed. He was not even on medication or requested any. He just ended it right away. IMO, we will never know if Andrea was mentally ill or not.


But we DO know. It was diagnosed after the birth of her 4th child, Luke. Luke was 4 months old when R.Y. found her with a knife. Her OB-GYN and psychologist told them not to have any more kids because she was severely postpartum and psychotic.
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#116 Postby gtalum » Wed Jul 26, 2006 4:16 pm

You're confusing a personality disorder (pedophilia) with insanity (the inability to know what is right and wrong). Pedophiles generally know that what they do is wrong. They are not insane, even though they may have a mental illness.
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#117 Postby Janice » Wed Jul 26, 2006 4:17 pm

Do you think you have to be mentally ill to take your life?
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#118 Postby gtalum » Wed Jul 26, 2006 4:17 pm

Janice wrote:Do you think you have to be mentally ill to take your life?


In most situations, yes. Mental illness, however, does not necessarily equal insanity.
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#119 Postby Janice » Wed Jul 26, 2006 4:19 pm

What about the people who are sane and at the last minute grab a gun and shot themselves or overdose. A way out..... pressure can cause suicide or murder. Susan smith was not insane, she wanted out with a new boyfriend.
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#120 Postby rainstorm » Wed Jul 26, 2006 4:21 pm

CajunMama wrote:
rainstorm wrote:
george_r_1961 wrote:Why are they offering her a plea deal? She should NEVER walk free again. She deserves the needle but obviously thats not going to happen.


i agree, she certainly deserves far worse than she got


let he who is without sin cast the first stone.


but again, are you saying no one should be punished for anything? as AFM says, the verdict is in, and yates won. this is still my opinion though
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