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#4341 Postby Sanibel » Fri Aug 04, 2006 8:42 am

If I'm reading the loops correctly Chris looks to be approaching a shear convergence zone between two different directions of shear.

I'd still be watching for a reconvective burst as long as it still has spin.

But it also looks to be headed for a crash and burn onto Cuba.

Chris could be the air-clearer for the next storm.
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#4342 Postby Frank2 » Fri Aug 04, 2006 8:42 am

Looking at the above photo (and the visibile loop) is does seem that the circulation is slowly (or not so slowly) winding down - if it passed over us right now (down here in South Florida), we'd hardly notice it...
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#4343 Postby miamicanes177 » Fri Aug 04, 2006 8:45 am

http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/tropic/real- ... wg8sht.GIF

*edited by staff to make the image a link

*please do not post such large images - it makes everyone have to scroll to read each post
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#4344 Postby Sanibel » Fri Aug 04, 2006 8:48 am

Looking at the above photo (and the visibile loop) is does seem that the circulation is slowly (or not so slowly) winding down - if it passed over us right now (down here in South Florida), we'd hardly notice it...



If that happens you'll see the spiral contort and deconform due to it being weaker than the forces around it.
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#4345 Postby AJC3 » Fri Aug 04, 2006 9:03 am

Sanibel wrote:If I'm reading the loops correctly Chris looks to be approaching a shear convergence zone between two different directions of shear.

I'd still be watching for a reconvective burst as long as it still has spin.

But it also looks to be headed for a crash and burn onto Cuba.

Chris could be the air-clearer for the next storm.



This is what is referred to as a deformation zone, the center of which is called a 'col' point. The col point, or "col" for short, is an area of lower shear relative to what's going on all around it. Just how large this area of a low-shear becomes can vary greatly - in this case, it looks like it's pretty small to begin with...and getting smaller.

Here's a rough idealized schematic. Since I couldn't find one online after a 60-second search, you'll have to settle for my "stellar" artistic stylings.
In reality, the upper lows aren't usually symmetric.

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/wxman0071/Col.jpg

Chris has been consistently lagging behind this area, and as a result, has been subjected to north or NW shear
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#4346 Postby miamicanes177 » Fri Aug 04, 2006 9:04 am

:::::GFDL TAKING THIS TO A 70KT HURRICANE:::::

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#4347 Postby Extremeweatherguy » Fri Aug 04, 2006 9:05 am

It's amazing that nearly every model re-strengthens Chris.
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#4348 Postby Portastorm » Fri Aug 04, 2006 9:06 am

Extremeweatherguy wrote:It's amazing that nearly every model re-strengthens Chris.


What could they possibly be seeing? Via satellite, this system looks like it needs last rites. :roll:
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#4349 Postby HURAKAN » Fri Aug 04, 2006 9:08 am

GFDL is hilarious when it comes to intensity.
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#4350 Postby Extremeweatherguy » Fri Aug 04, 2006 9:08 am

Portastorm wrote:
Extremeweatherguy wrote:It's amazing that nearly every model re-strengthens Chris.


What could they possibly be seeing? Via satellite, this system looks like it needs last rites. :roll:
I agree. The one thing that concerns me though is that every model correctly predicted Chris' weakening, so I wonder if they will be right again?
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#4351 Postby Innotech » Fri Aug 04, 2006 9:15 am

dont be so quick to write it off even yet. Its about to outrun the strongest shear and still firing convection off to the SE. Its still spinning and astill fighting. It needs to go just a bit further to clear Hispaniola altogether and is still heading NW. In other words do NOT consider this dead.
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#4352 Postby HouTXmetro » Fri Aug 04, 2006 9:21 am

I think we are throwing in the towel to quick. granted he looks pathetic but here are some things to note.

1. Convection refireing on Eastern sides
2. Chris is trakcking slightly north of the forecast points increasing the likely hood of a straights passage and less weakening.
3. Most models intensifies Chris
4. Conditions are still forecasted to improve
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#4353 Postby Innotech » Fri Aug 04, 2006 9:24 am

HouTXmetro wrote:I think we are throwing in the towel to quick. granted he looks pathetic but here are some things to note.

1. Convection refireing on Eastern sides
2. Chris is trakcking slightly north of the forecast points increasing the likely hood of a straights passage and less weakening.
3. Most models intensifies Chris
4. Conditions are still forecasted to improve


precisely.
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#4354 Postby Normandy » Fri Aug 04, 2006 9:25 am

^^ Its done.
Look at a WV Loop and you could come to that conclusion.
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#4355 Postby miamicanes177 » Fri Aug 04, 2006 9:25 am

If this is moving due west like the NHC says then I need to get glasses.
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#4356 Postby cajungal » Fri Aug 04, 2006 9:25 am

I would not write off Chris yet. He is a fighter. I remember when what became Katrina was totally ripped apart and everyone wrote her off. And she came back with a HUGE bang. Remember Lili? The same thing happened. She fell apart and everyone wrote her off. Once she got in the gulf she exploded in a powerful cat 4 storm.
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#4357 Postby HouTXmetro » Fri Aug 04, 2006 9:27 am

Normandy wrote:^^ Its done.
Look at a WV Loop and you could come to that conclusion.


We said the same thing on the WV loop yesterday. :roll:
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#4358 Postby HouTXmetro » Fri Aug 04, 2006 9:28 am

Chris is tracking well N of the points, what's happening?


http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/watl/loop-ir2.html
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#4359 Postby Air Force Met » Fri Aug 04, 2006 9:28 am

OK...everyone REALLY want me to get you going?
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#4360 Postby Normandy » Fri Aug 04, 2006 9:28 am

HouTXmetro wrote:
Normandy wrote:^^ Its done.
Look at a WV Loop and you could come to that conclusion.


We said the same thing on the WV loop yesterday. :roll:


And he has been steadily weakening since yesterday....see the trend?
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