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#21 Postby Audrey2Katrina » Sun Aug 06, 2006 1:47 am

its awful they are killing dogs, but until they are economically able to vaccinate all dogs, what other choice do they have?


How about spending LESS on sabre-rattling and development of rockets and missiles--not much; because in comparison you'd be talking less than a drop in the bucket... and develop a rabies vaccine in their own labs and spend the time and effort getting it out to the country with the kind of fervor they sure didn't mind expending with their ZPG program wherein they all but forced folks to have no more than one child. They're despicable... and there ARE more humane ways to do this if you must--but barbarians will be barbarians. I know it's next to impossible to avoid buying things from this backwater place; but I'll sure make an effort to minimize it whenever I can--and make a point of informing the vendor as to why.

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#22 Postby rainstorm » Sun Aug 06, 2006 9:05 am

i agree. like all communist countries, people take a back seat to ideology
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#23 Postby alicia-w » Sun Aug 06, 2006 10:56 am

i'm sorry, but it isnt any worse than the tens of thousands of pets that are executed every year in this country by humane societies. it's sad no matter what country it's in.
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#24 Postby Audrey2Katrina » Sun Aug 06, 2006 11:21 am

i'm sorry, but it isnt any worse than the tens of thousands of pets that are executed every year in this country by humane societies. it's sad no matter what country it's in.


Oh, I'm sorry; but I simply can't let that little bit of gross analogy get by unrefuted. First and foremost, NO American "humane society" I know of takes bats and runs around "Beating to death" dogs, cats, or what have you. So yes, it's PLENTY worse; the comparison is beyond ridiculous. Yes, I agree it is sad that any animal (particularly those in good physical shape) should have to be euthanized--but comparing the barbaric savagery going on over there to what is done here is beyond the imagination.

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#25 Postby Regit » Sun Aug 06, 2006 12:03 pm

alicia-w wrote:i'm sorry, but it isnt any worse than the tens of thousands of pets that are executed every year in this country by humane societies. it's sad no matter what country it's in.



I have to echo A2K. If anything, "beyond ridiculous" is an understatement.

Humane Societies, SPCAs, and county and municipal shelters put animals to sleep painlessly and ethically. We have clear laws governing the process.

No-kill shelters are fine, but if every shelter became no-kill, where would other animals go when those shelters fill up?

A community not having an open admissions shelter is horribly unethical. Please refer to the HSUS's code of ethics for animal shelters. Animals turned away by a shelter often end up on the street to die slowly and painfully if no other shelter is available.
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#26 Postby alicia-w » Sun Aug 06, 2006 2:25 pm

why do people who dont understand other cultures resort to calling them barbaric?

but it's a bit sanctimonious (IMHO) that we can put ourselves above these folks while a large number of our population has unresponsible behavior regarding pets, while the Chinese are trying to control a disease that could effect anyone, no matter how misguided their methods might be.

no, it isnt a direct corollary. you're right.
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#27 Postby Stephanie » Sun Aug 06, 2006 7:22 pm

Audrey2Katrina wrote:
i'm sorry, but it isnt any worse than the tens of thousands of pets that are executed every year in this country by humane societies. it's sad no matter what country it's in.


Oh, I'm sorry; but I simply can't let that little bit of gross analogy get by unrefuted. First and foremost, NO American "humane society" I know of takes bats and runs around "Beating to death" dogs, cats, or what have you. So yes, it's PLENTY worse; the comparison is beyond ridiculous. Yes, I agree it is sad that any animal (particularly those in good physical shape) should have to be euthanized--but comparing the barbaric savagery going on over there to what is done here is beyond the imagination.

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I agree 100%. No comparison in my opinion. AT THE VERY LEAST, our humane societies are trying to save animals, educate the public, make sure that dogs and cats are spade and neutered before being adopted.

Yes, China is a totally different culture and they use BARBARIC methods for eliminating "a problem".
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#28 Postby Audrey2Katrina » Sun Aug 06, 2006 10:25 pm

why do people who dont understand other cultures resort to calling them barbaric?


Oh, I fully understand them... perhaps it's because we have similar cultural behaviors upon which to base this assessment: barbarians! The word is wholly appropriate to this heinous behavior.

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#29 Postby Audrey2Katrina » Sun Aug 06, 2006 10:32 pm

but it's a bit sanctimonious (IMHO) that we can put ourselves above these folks while a large number of our population has unresponsible behavior


Actually I consider it a bit sanctimonious to draw any remote comparison between this attrocious behavior while pontificating on all our social woes. Do I consider it "above" these barbarians to handle what may be a necessary euthanization in the ways we do, as opposed to their methods? In the words of the immortal Golde Hawn: You bet your sweet bippy I do! No diversions please--all this addresses is the barbaric conduct they are engaging in here. Any nation capable of producing a global military force, intercontinental ballistic missiles, and a means to force population control on its people can certainly produce a rabies vaccine--the fact is they simply don't consider what they're doing unacceptable at all--and THAT is barbaric!

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#30 Postby GrimReaper » Mon Aug 07, 2006 11:38 am

Texas Stooge-- thanks for the petition link!! I signed it

Rain--I agree with you theoretically, people DO come first (even though I like my
dogs and horses better than 99% of the people I've met), but at best, there
has to be a better way to deal with this situation. Even a quick bullet to the
head is better than beating these dogs to death with sticks!! That's where
the charges of barbariabism are originating from.

Alicia-- God knows, I agree with you about the shamefull overpopulation of pets
that we create in this country, but we don't beat the surplus to death. They
don't even use the gas chambers anymore....we have atleast evolved
to put these animals to their untimely deaths as painlessly as possible.
That is what sets us apart from the barbarians!!!

A2K--Couldn't have said that better myself!!!!

Thank you guys so much for your comments....after seeing the pictures off the AP line, my heart was broke!! In my family, half the time the dogs are on the couch, and the people are sitting on the floor...lol. All we can do is pray for the Chinese government to become educated, and enlightened about their response to this situation. And yes, give your own dog an extra hug tonight!!!
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