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#41 Postby Extremeweatherguy » Wed Sep 13, 2006 2:49 pm

Johnny wrote:That sure would be interesting. I've read all of the discussions around Texas this morning and it seems that we should be expecting another front this Sunday entering North, Texas but nothing too big by the sound of it. Is JB still thinking a good shot of cool air is coming all the way to the gulf coast this morning?
**updated at 8:13pm**

JB now thinks this front will sweep across the entire nation bringing the coldest weather since late April and May for some people. He said snow flurries could even fly in Upstate NY and Denver from this, and in Chicago and the northern plains, temperatures could be 15+ degrees below normal. He also thinks this could spell trouble once it works down into the GOM where it could try to spin up something tropical.
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#42 Postby Extremeweatherguy » Wed Sep 13, 2006 6:26 pm

the dewpoint is just 51F in NW Houston right now.
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#43 Postby Extremeweatherguy » Wed Sep 13, 2006 8:32 pm

HPC shows strong front on our doorstep in 6 days...

http://www.hpc.ncep.noaa.gov/medr/9mh.gif
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#44 Postby Johnny » Wed Sep 13, 2006 8:36 pm

Her's still sticking with it then. I wouldn't mind a nice cool snap to kick in the fall season. Bring it! :hoola:
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#45 Postby JonathanBelles » Wed Sep 13, 2006 8:49 pm

i want some cooler temps and droping a whopping one degree doesnt count
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#46 Postby Yankeegirl » Wed Sep 13, 2006 9:05 pm

That would be nice, bring it on! I cant wait, I hope it does come through and isnt a bust!
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#47 Postby Extremeweatherguy » Wed Sep 13, 2006 9:46 pm

In the short term (tonight), here is some good news out of Houston:

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE HOUSTON/GALVESTON TX
915 PM CDT WED SEP 13 2006

.DISCUSSION...
FRONTAL BOUNDARY HAS BECOME QUASI-STATIONARY ACROSS THE COASTAL
ZONES. IT WILL LIKELY DRIFT AROUND SOME OVERNIGHT...AND THIS
COMPLICATES THE MIN TEMP FORECAST AS THERE IS A LARGE DW PT
GRADIENT BETWEEN HOU AND GLS. MADE A FEW ADJUSTMENTS TO TEMPS...
RAISED A LITTLE IN THE SW AND LOWERED A LITTLE ACROSS THE NORTH.
WITH THE BOUNDARY NEAR THE COAST...WE MAY SEE ISOLATED SHWRS/TSTMS
NEAR THE COAST AFTER MIDNIGHT AND ALSO TOMORROW. SO...ADDED SLIGHT
CHC POPS TO THE COASTAL ZONES SW OF GLS FOR LATE TONIGHT AND FOR
TOMORROW. 33


Looks like areas north of I-10 are now headed for the LOWER 60's tonight. :D
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#48 Postby Extremeweatherguy » Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:26 pm

I'm sorry...but is Frank Billingsly crazy? I just watched his evening forecast and it was so inaccurate that I wanted to laugh. First, he said that El Nino was producing higher than normal wind shear in the GOM and Caribbean right now (which is NOT the case), and secondly, he said that El Nino would mean a warmer, and wetter winter! haha! El Nino usually means a cooler, and wetter winter...not warmer. You would think a pro met would know that...right? I have the feeling he just wanted to please his audience with that forecast...

:roll:

BTW: yeah, sorry, I know this has nothing to do with Houston fronts..but since Houstonians read this I thought I would post it here.
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#49 Postby Yankeegirl » Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:40 pm

I saw him tonight as well too... i did laugh...
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#50 Postby Johnny » Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:59 pm

Frank is alright but I've seen him make laughable forecasts like that before. I used to e-mail him about weather events and we came to a disagreement a time or two.LOL!! One thing is for sure, 99% of the time he will return your e-mail. Hey EWG, why don't you e-mail him about his mistakes. I'd love to hear his reply. fbillingsley@kprc.com :cheesy:


Oh yea, I appreciate you keeping us up to date on what JB has to say. Much appreciated bro.
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#51 Postby jasons2k » Thu Sep 14, 2006 9:45 am

CLIMATE REPORT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE HOUSTON/GALVESTON TX
840 AM CDT THU SEP 14 2006

...MORNING CLIMATE DATA...

MORNING LOW PRECIP SINCE MIDNIGHT
HOUSTON INTERCONTINENTAL 66 0.00
GALVESTON SCHOLES FIELD 75 0.00
BRYAN/COLLEGE STATION 67 0.00
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#52 Postby jasons2k » Thu Sep 14, 2006 10:36 am

Extremeweatherguy wrote:I'm sorry...but is Frank Billingsly crazy? I just watched his evening forecast and it was so inaccurate that I wanted to laugh. First, he said that El Nino was producing higher than normal wind shear in the GOM and Caribbean right now (which is NOT the case), and secondly, he said that El Nino would mean a warmer, and wetter winter! haha! El Nino usually means a cooler, and wetter winter...not warmer. You would think a pro met would know that...right? I have the feeling he just wanted to please his audience with that forecast...

:roll:

BTW: yeah, sorry, I know this has nothing to do with Houston fronts..but since Houstonians read this I thought I would post it here.


Well, according to this article maybe he isn't so crazy...

New El Nino sparks weather fears
By Corinne Podger
BBC News

The periodic phenomenon known as El Nino has developed in the Pacific Ocean threatening extreme weather in many parts of the world, US scientists say.

El Ninos begin with a warming of waters in the eastern Pacific, and there has been a steep rise in water temperature in recent weeks, they say.

This El Nino is likely to strengthen towards the end of the year and early into 2007, the researchers add.

However it is not expected to reach the strength of the 1997 phenomenon.

In that year El Nino brought drought to parts of Asia and Australia, and heavy rains and floods to Latin America.

Scientists from the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (Noaa) say there has been drier-than-average weather in Indonesia, Malaysia and the Philippines - countries which are often the first to show the effects of a new El Nino.

But the early indications are that weather changes will be milder than in some previous events.

"What happens is that the cool current over the eastern Pacific, which brings cold waters from the Antarctic, up the South American coast towards the equator - the Humboldt currrent - weakens, and this allows El Nino to develop off South America, and the temperatures rise quite considerably," commented Dr Harvey Sterne from the Australian Bureau of Meteorology.

"In some years we've had four or five degrees Celsius above normal; now, this year, they're about one or two degrees above normal, so it's nothing like we had in the early 1980s."

Noaa says this latest phenomenon may explain why this year's Atlantic hurricane season has so far been weaker than expected - winds associated with El Nino events disrupt and weaken storm formation.

The researchers are also predicting a milder-than-average winter for much of North America, and wetter weather for the US Gulf Coast and Florida.
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#53 Postby jasons2k » Thu Sep 14, 2006 10:45 am

BTW yes I'm aware TX is usually below normal in temps during El Nino years. However, I don't think this was the case with the El Nino we had back in '97-'98. The winter in Dallas that year was very wet & mild.

Edit: here is the January 1998 summary at DFW:

http://www.srh.noaa.gov/fwd/CLIMO/dfw/lcd/dfwjan98.html

5 degrees above normal and over 5 inches of rain (3.24 inches above normal)
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#54 Postby Johnny » Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:45 pm

Any JB updates on the cold front? I found this little snippet out of the Dallas/Fort Worth discussion this morning.


RAIN CHANCES WILL END FROM NORTHWEST TO SOUTHEAST BY LATE
MONDAY...AS THE COLD FRONT PUSHES SOUTH AND A COOL CANADIAN SURFACE
HIGH SPREADS ACROSS THE AREA. THIS PLEASANTLY COOL AND DRY AIRMASS
WILL REMAIN IN PLACE THROUGH THE END OF THE FORECAST PERIOD.
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#55 Postby gboudx » Thu Sep 14, 2006 1:31 pm

Johnny wrote:Any JB updates on the cold front? I found this little snippet out of the Dallas/Fort Worth discussion this morning.


RAIN CHANCES WILL END FROM NORTHWEST TO SOUTHEAST BY LATE
MONDAY...AS THE COLD FRONT PUSHES SOUTH AND A COOL CANADIAN SURFACE
HIGH SPREADS ACROSS THE AREA. THIS PLEASANTLY COOL AND DRY AIRMASS
WILL REMAIN IN PLACE THROUGH THE END OF THE FORECAST PERIOD.


Here's another snippet:

.UPDATE...
1005 AM CDT THU SEP 14 2006
FORECAST LOOKS ON TRACK AND ONLY SOME MINOR CHANGES WERE MADE TO THE
GRIDS FOR CURRENT TRENDS. FORECAST LOOKS INTERESTING LATE THIS
WEEKEND AND NEXT WEEK WITH SOME RAIN CHANCES AND MUCH COOLER
WEATHER. MORE ON THIS WITH THE AFTERNOON PACKAGE. TR.92


As of now, forecasted High for Monday is 81, and Tuesday 78. Bring it!
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#56 Postby Extremeweatherguy » Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:40 pm

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Extremeweatherguy wrote:I'm sorry...but is Frank Billingsly crazy? I just watched his evening forecast and it was so inaccurate that I wanted to laugh. First, he said that El Nino was producing higher than normal wind shear in the GOM and Caribbean right now (which is NOT the case), and secondly, he said that El Nino would mean a warmer, and wetter winter! haha! El Nino usually means a cooler, and wetter winter...not warmer. You would think a pro met would know that...right? I have the feeling he just wanted to please his audience with that forecast...

:roll:

BTW: yeah, sorry, I know this has nothing to do with Houston fronts..but since Houstonians read this I thought I would post it here.


Well, according to this article maybe he isn't so crazy...

New El Nino sparks weather fears
By Corinne Podger
BBC News

The periodic phenomenon known as El Nino has developed in the Pacific Ocean threatening extreme weather in many parts of the world, US scientists say.

El Ninos begin with a warming of waters in the eastern Pacific, and there has been a steep rise in water temperature in recent weeks, they say.

This El Nino is likely to strengthen towards the end of the year and early into 2007, the researchers add.

However it is not expected to reach the strength of the 1997 phenomenon.

In that year El Nino brought drought to parts of Asia and Australia, and heavy rains and floods to Latin America.

Scientists from the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (Noaa) say there has been drier-than-average weather in Indonesia, Malaysia and the Philippines - countries which are often the first to show the effects of a new El Nino.

But the early indications are that weather changes will be milder than in some previous events.

"What happens is that the cool current over the eastern Pacific, which brings cold waters from the Antarctic, up the South American coast towards the equator - the Humboldt currrent - weakens, and this allows El Nino to develop off South America, and the temperatures rise quite considerably," commented Dr Harvey Sterne from the Australian Bureau of Meteorology.

"In some years we've had four or five degrees Celsius above normal; now, this year, they're about one or two degrees above normal, so it's nothing like we had in the early 1980s."

Noaa says this latest phenomenon may explain why this year's Atlantic hurricane season has so far been weaker than expected - winds associated with El Nino events disrupt and weaken storm formation.

The researchers are also predicting a milder-than-average winter for much of North America, and wetter weather for the US Gulf Coast and Florida.
according to the NOAA article I read though, it says that El Nino has had only a small affect on this hurricane season and that conditions still appeared favorable for development.
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#57 Postby Extremeweatherguy » Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:42 pm

Johnny wrote:Any JB updates on the cold front? I found this little snippet out of the Dallas/Fort Worth discussion this morning.


RAIN CHANCES WILL END FROM NORTHWEST TO SOUTHEAST BY LATE
MONDAY...AS THE COLD FRONT PUSHES SOUTH AND A COOL CANADIAN SURFACE
HIGH SPREADS ACROSS THE AREA. THIS PLEASANTLY COOL AND DRY AIRMASS
WILL REMAIN IN PLACE THROUGH THE END OF THE FORECAST PERIOD.
Yes, JB still thinks a sharp, but short-length chill will take over a large section of the nation this weekend and next week.
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#58 Postby Johnny » Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:55 pm

Here's a good write up from Jeff in response to El Nino. It looks like we could have a cool and very wet winter ahead. With winter's like this, I can't wait till spring arrives.


CPC models suggest the weak ENSO event will continue through the winter and into the spring of 2007 with SST anomalies approaching 1.0-1.5 degrees above normal. Effects of such ocean warming are already being noted with increased hurricane activity in the central and eastern Pacific and a fairly quite ATL season thus far. Long term forecast for Texas for the winter months for weak ENSO events are for temperatures to run 1-2 degrees below average and rainfall to run 100-150% above normal. A highly active sub-tropical jet with abundant mid and high level moisture across TX is common during El Nino episodes which results in rainy weather and little temperature warming during the winter months.
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#59 Postby jasons2k » Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:34 pm

Yeah, I saw that writeup from Jeff. If you Google the phrase "El Nino Winter" and click Images - you will see that the southern plains & Gulf Coast is usually below normal during an El Nino winter, while the northern US is usually above normal (these are temps not precip).

However, as I noted above, the El Nino of '97-'98 featured a very wet & mild winter for Texas. I guess it's hit or miss.

An El Nino wouldn't correlate well with the Farmer's Almanac prediction of a severely cold winter...but IMO the Farmer's Almanac is little more than entertainment. Seriously - a forecast that comes out and the deliniation of above/below normal zones follows state lines and it already says such & such date in March will be "Warm, but turning cooler and wet" is just plain nutty.
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#60 Postby gboudx » Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:39 pm

Farmer's Almanac(http://www.farmersalmanac.com/)? Old Farmer's Almanac(http://www.almanac.com)? Or both?
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