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#7401 Postby marcus B » Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:17 am

If Ike stalls wouldn’t it miss the trough and continue west?
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Re: ATL IKE: Category 1 - Discussion

#7402 Postby DESTRUCTION5 » Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:18 am

Sanibel wrote:A stall would mean slower forward speed and therefore more time for a trough to pull it north on the Texas coast. Hang on we could see some track changes from this.


Or could give time for Ridge to build in strong and send him due west till landfall in Southern TX...Like Ikes Deceased Brother Andrew..
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Re: ATL IKE: Category 1 - Discussion

#7403 Postby ronjon » Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:19 am

txag2005 wrote:
ColdFusion wrote:
txag2005 wrote:Has Ike stalled? I read this on another board.

If so, what impact does that have on the track? I have a bad feeling that fares worse for us in Houston/Galveston currently northeast of the track.


No indication Ike has stalled.


I've seen some people mention this. I think its b/c in the latest advisory the NHC said the center has not moved much in the last few hours. I guess stationary is a better word.


ALTHOUGH THE CENTER OF IKE MOVED LITTLE OVER THE PAST FEW HOURS...
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#7404 Postby WmE » Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:19 am

Aristotle wrote:
Aristotle wrote:
KWT wrote:Convection seems to be warming in the inner core right now but the overall structure is looking slowly more and more impressive. Its pressure is pretty deep for a cat-1 but the winds are well spread out and there is still a double wind Maxia. That is probably why iits not really ramping up all that much still in terms of winds, once it does sort that out then watch the winds jump up a fair bit.


What the heck is a double wind maxia?



where do i find this forecast discussion?


On the NHC's homepage. Cycloneye posted the paragraph above. It's a second wind maximum btw.
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#7405 Postby tolakram » Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:19 am

Aristotle wrote:
where do i find this forecast discussion?



http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/

Click on the link marked discussion in the Hurricane Ike box. This page should be your primary source of information. :)
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Re: ATL IKE: Category 1 - Discussion

#7406 Postby deltadog03 » Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:20 am

The trof is what is coming...the ridge is what is leaving (hence the N to NE movement after landfall.
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#7407 Postby cycloneye » Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:21 am

tolakram wrote:
Aristotle wrote:
where do i find this forecast discussion?



http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/

Click on the link marked discussion in the Hurricane Ike box. This page should be your primary source of information. :)


We have the advisories thread :)
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Re: ATL IKE: Category 1 - Discussion

#7408 Postby Stormcenter » Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:21 am

Sabanic wrote:
ronjon wrote:3 day cone now moved up the the Tx-La border - that trough timing may make this LF a nail biter along the TX coast.


And will certainly start getting the full attention of those in LA



All landfalls are nail biters. There are no indications (right now)that Ike
is not going anywhere but where the NHC and the model
consensus says it's going. We are now 3 days out and the
models for the most part have locked into a specific landfall area.
The changes occur after he's made landfall.
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#7409 Postby KWT » Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:22 am

Does seem like its trying to complete the EWRC it started just before landfall in Cuba, the inner eyewall was strongest when it was near Cuba as the outer eyewall was overland, but now the whole system is over water it may well finally finish the job.

The fact that its motion has recently stalled is very bad news as its very close to that ole loop current now...
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Re: ATL IKE: Category 1 - Discussion

#7410 Postby Aristotle » Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:23 am

Have to give it to Ortt. He called the outer eye wall last night. But I will tell you the NHC is saying everything they can without actually saying that in the next 24 hours this thing could get off the charts. The very favorable's way out weight negatives at this time.
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#7411 Postby jasons2k » Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:24 am

The biggest change I notice at 11M is they have pushed back the landfall time back to Sat AM. More time for the ridge to erode.

The new models with the Gulfstream data will be telling I think.
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Re: ATL IKE: Category 1 - Discussion

#7412 Postby ronjon » Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:25 am

Stormcenter wrote:
Sabanic wrote:
ronjon wrote:3 day cone now moved up the the Tx-La border - that trough timing may make this LF a nail biter along the TX coast.


And will certainly start getting the full attention of those in LA



All landfalls are nail biters. There are no indications (right now)that Ike
is not going anywhere but where the NHC and the model
consensus says it's going. We are now 3 days out and the
models for the most part have locked into a specific landfall area.
The changes occur after he's made landfall.


Actually, maybe. Depends on the timing of the trough and erosion of the ridge. This set up is not a Gustav situation (simply riding the edge of the ridge). This track is complicated by the fact that an intense shortwave will potentially be affecting the western edge of the ridge just as the storm is approaching the coast. A turn to the NW or N near the Tx coast can change the LF location significantly.
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#7413 Postby Nexus » Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:26 am

KWT wrote:
The fact that its motion has recently stalled is very bad news as its very close to that ole loop current now...


Ocean Heat Content & Forecast Track (6z):

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Re: ATL IKE: Category 1 - Discussion

#7414 Postby Portastorm » Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:26 am

I'm not too excited to see the latest NHC advisory take Ike through the eastern portion of Travis County by Saturday evening. :x
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#7415 Postby pablolopez26 » Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:26 am

jasons wrote:The biggest change I notice at 11M is they have pushed back the landfall time back to Sat AM. More time for the ridge to erode.

The new models with the Gulfstream data will be telling I think.


Hi Jasons, what does this mean for the new track? Once the ridge erodes, whats going to happen?
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Re: ATL IKE: Category 1 - Discussion

#7416 Postby dixiebreeze » Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:27 am

Re: 11 a.m. discussion. Reportedly moving at 300. Isn't that a NW movement -- albeit very slowly?
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Re: ATL IKE: Category 1 - Discussion

#7417 Postby Sabanic » Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:27 am

Stormcenter wrote:
Sabanic wrote:
ronjon wrote:3 day cone now moved up the the Tx-La border - that trough timing may make this LF a nail biter along the TX coast.


And will certainly start getting the full attention of those in LA



All landfalls are nail biters. There are no indications (right now)that Ike
is not going anywhere but where the NHC and the model
consensus says it's going. We are now 3 days out and the
models for the most part have locked into a specific landfall area.
The changes occur after he's made landfall.


SC I know the NHC has locked in, but nothing with a Hurricane is written in stone until it makes landfall. Seen way too many crazy things happen with them, and as long as there is a potentially dangerous storm in the Gulf that hasn't made landfall we all are watching with concern.
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Re: ATL IKE: Category 1 - Discussion

#7418 Postby funster » Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:28 am

Portastorm wrote:I'm not too excited to see the latest NHC advisory take Ike through the eastern portion of Travis County by Saturday evening. :x


Yes, looks some wind and rain Sat/Sun for other big Texas cities - Austin and DFW.
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Re: ATL IKE: Category 1 - Discussion

#7419 Postby ROCK » Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:29 am

Stormcenter wrote:
Sabanic wrote:
ronjon wrote:3 day cone now moved up the the Tx-La border - that trough timing may make this LF a nail biter along the TX coast.


And will certainly start getting the full attention of those in LA



All landfalls are nail biters. There are no indications (right now)that Ike
is not going anywhere but where the NHC and the model
consensus says it's going. We are now 3 days out and the
models for the most part have locked into a specific landfall area.
The changes occur after he's made landfall.




if your in the 3 day cone your fair game......
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Re: ATL IKE: Category 1 - Discussion

#7420 Postby caneman » Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:30 am

Stormcenter,

That actually isn't correct. Look at the 3 day cone from NHc and you will see your average forecasting error for 72 hours. According to that any part of the entire Txas coast line is in play. All comes down to timing now boys and girls.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphic ... y#contents
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