ATL: IKE Discussion

[NEXRAD]

Hurricane warnings on the coast, but what kind of warnings would they issue on the Great Lakes if hurricane force winds hit that area?

Hurricane Wind Warnings for the marine area, High Wind Warning for land. Of course, the GFDL output seems bizarre for the intensity over the Great Lakes/Canada.

- Jay

[CrazyC83]

Hurricane warnings on the coast, but what kind of warnings would they issue on the Great Lakes if hurricane force winds hit that area?

Hurricane Wind Warnings for the marine area, High Wind Warning for land. Of course, the GFDL output seems bizarre for the intensity over the Great Lakes/Canada.

- Jay

It brings it to hurricane strength over Missouri (At least an eariler run did) and kept it at such. If still tropical (unlikely), Hurricane Wind Warnings (and Tropical Storm Wind Warnings) would be issued for the land areas.

[msbee]

CNN interviewing a guy in galveston who refuses to evacuate with a family of 16...including children....he says he is in a 6-story building so he is fine. He is more than prepared with water and food and generators. Windows boarded up....and 'this is not his first rodeo.'

Those of us on the islands mostly have no choice about whether or not to evacuate. We have nowhere to go.
I can't imagine the insanity of not evacuating when you can, especially when you have children.
That's just plain nuts!
I hope they will be safe

[Just Joshing You]

Hurricane warnings on the coast, but what kind of warnings would they issue on the Great Lakes if hurricane force winds hit that area?

Hurricane Wind Warnings for the marine area, High Wind Warning for land. Of course, the GFDL output seems bizarre for the intensity over the Great Lakes/Canada.

- Jay

It brings it to hurricane strength over Missouri (At least an eariler run did) and kept it at such. If still tropical (unlikely), Hurricane Wind Warnings (and Tropical Storm Wind Warnings) would be issued for the land areas.

With all due respect, there isn't any precedent, so try not to sound as if you know what officially will happen in the event that the unlikely happens.

[smw1981]

100% agree...keeping children in a mandatory evac zone....negligence and neglect for sure...even if not under the technical legal definition.

CNN interviewing a guy in galveston who refuses to evacuate with a family of 16...including children....he says he is in a 6-story building so he is fine. He is more than prepared with water and food and generators. Windows boarded up....and 'this is not his first rodeo.'

And this doesn't qualify as child endangerment? You can get a ticket for not having your kid buckled in the car, but not for making them sit through a Cat2/3 hurricane?

With 16 children, he may not have had the resources to evacuate! They just said on TWC that there are no shelters in Houston pre-storm (Not sure if that's true or not). Therefore he would have had to drive a good distance to get to a safe place (with 16 kids). I'm not saying it was a good decision to stay...just saying that he may not have had a decision to make.

[SoupBone]

Guy in a bear suit on the seawall...unbelievable. Darwin is really starting to apply here.

Can you post a link. I hate to laugh but that is absurd.

[rtd2]

parts of the main CDO starting to touch Louisiana
http://www.atmos.washington.edu/~ovens/ ... nhanced+12

[jinftl]

There are designated shelters all over the area....it may not be walking distance but they sure don't require a plane ticket to get there.

CNN interviewing a guy in galveston who refuses to evacuate with a family of 16...including children....he says he is in a 6-story building so he is fine. He is more than prepared with water and food and generators. Windows boarded up....and 'this is not his first rodeo.'

Those of us on the islands mostly have no choice about whether or not to evacuate. We have nowhere to go.
I can't imagine the insanity of not evacuating when you can, especially when you have children.
That's just plain nuts!
I hope they will be safe

[CrazyC83]

Hurricane warnings on the coast, but what kind of warnings would they issue on the Great Lakes if hurricane force winds hit that area?With all due respect, there isn't any precedent, so try not to sound as if you know what officially will happen in the event that the unlikely happens.

You're right, since NWS Central Region (responsible for the Midwest and Northern Plains) has never had to issue such and I am not sure what their policies are. I know in Southern and Eastern Regions, they have issued Tropical Storm Wind Warnings as far as their northern limits (in Katrina as far north as the NWS Nashville office, in Isabel as far north as the NWS Binghamton office).

[Dave]

Here is a map indicating the 5 day rainfall forecast across the country, including Indiana which is where I live.

http://www.crh.noaa.gov/news/display_cm ... 1&source=0

[Cryomaniac]

91L GFDL Run has the remnants of Ike coming off the coast of Labrador and intensifying into a Cat 1 LOL

Stranger things have happened at sea lol.

[Time Traveller]

Interesting. The local news reported that a lot of the people that are being rescued by helicopter said they thought they had more time. The waters rose much quicker than they had anticipated. Not good. And Ike is still 12 hours out.

[VeniceInlet]

Guy in a bear suit on the seawall...unbelievable. Darwin is really starting to apply here.

Can you post a link. I hate to laugh but that is absurd.

I did a screen capture from the archived video and will post it later.

[HURAKAN]

[jinftl]

he said he would never leave and 'purchased' all of the supplies including generators...this is not his first rodeo...nowhere in there was talk of economics trapping him.

CNN interviewing a guy in galveston who refuses to evacuate with a family of 16...including children....he says he is in a 6-story building so he is fine. He is more than prepared with water and food and generators. Windows boarded up....and 'this is not his first rodeo.'

And this doesn't qualify as child endangerment? You can get a ticket for not having your kid buckled in the car, but not for making them sit through a Cat2/3 hurricane?

With 16 children, he may not have had the resources to evacuate! They just said on TWC that there are no shelters in Houston pre-storm (Not sure if that's true or not). Therefore he would have had to drive a good distance to get to a safe place (with 16 kids). I'm not saying it was a good decision to stay...just saying that he may not have had a decision to make.[/quote]

[thetruesms]

It brings it to hurricane strength over Missouri (At least an eariler run did) and kept it at such. If still tropical (unlikely), Hurricane Wind Warnings (and Tropical Storm Wind Warnings) would be issued for the land areas.

With all due respect, there isn't any precedent, so try not to sound as if you know what officially will happen in the event that the unlikely happens.

There's plenty of precedent. Hurricane Wind Warnings and Tropical Storm Wind Warnings are NWS products and are used for such conditions inland, sometimes even well inland (http://www.srh.noaa.gov/fwd). It's pretty outrageous that it would still be tropical in Missouri, but in the 1 in 11ty billion chance that it is, those products would have to be issued.

[gboudx]

With 16 children, he may not have had the resources to evacuate! They just said on TWC that there are no shelters in Houston pre-storm (Not sure if that's true or not). Therefore he would have had to drive a good distance to get to a safe place (with 16 kids). I'm not saying it was a good decision to stay...just saying that he may not have had a decision to make.

I'm willing to bet that if this guy would've requested assistance to get his kids to safety, he would've gotten it. By a legal definition of child endangerment I found, this seems to qualify.

"Child Endangerment laws make it a crime to endanger the health or life of a child through an adult's recklessness or indifference."

[Hurricane Cheese]

Guys not to get off-topic of the human element of this but, Ike SURE looks a like more organized this morning then at any point yesterday. I'm just coming on here and does anyone know if there have been any pressure falls, etc.? He just looks like he is strengthening heading towards the coast, ala Humberto or Dolly.

[jimguru]

KHOU just reported the Coast Guard is going to attempt a rescue of the crew (22) on the freighter that is 90m S of Galv. that had lost its engines earlier today.

[rtd2]

100% agree...keeping children in a mandatory evac zone....negligence and neglect for sure...even if not under the technical legal definition.


And this doesn't qualify as child endangerment? You can get a ticket for not having your kid buckled in the car, but not for making them sit through a Cat2/3 hurricane?

[/quote]With 16 children, he may not have had the resources to evacuate! They just said on TWC that there are no shelters in Houston pre-storm (Not sure if that's true or not). Therefore he would have had to drive a good distance to get to a safe place (with 16 kids). I'm not saying it was a good decision to stay...just saying that he may not have had a decision to make.[/quote]




I might stay too if its a newer constructed building atleast 4 stories...no alot of those were here during katriana and the solid concrete build I stayed at on base was rockin and rollin so on an island....it would be my last choice....