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#601 Postby wyq614 » Tue May 26, 2009 6:27 pm

It is no doubt that NK HAS BEEN a new threat of China's national security.

Remember, although China likes to pretend it can't control its rogue neighbor, China or Russia use their veto power as permanent UN Security Council measures to ensure their allies Iran and North Korea are never really punished or threatened.


I'd say China may not have other way to deal with it. A large amount of HEAVY INDUSTRY works are concentrated in China's NORTHEASTERN region and now under the nuclear threat of NK. What if the rogue state starts to attack all them? How many years it will take for China to recover from such big economic and life loss?

My hometown is Qingdao, a city beside the Yellow Sea, on the other side of the sea is South Korea, now we find that we are living below the Kim's nuclear bombs and missiles.

What is China doing now? On one hand, it is pretending that it can't control the NK and continuing offering economic and food aid to our "ally" as promised, on the other hand, China is warning the NK by make it feel China's tendency of disapproval of all the Nuclear tests. Chinese people also want peace and worry about its potential threat, even though NK appears to be a socialist country like China.

As far as I know, China never tried to overthrow any foreign government in the history, but if necessary, Kim's dynasty shall be the first.

A secret: In many Chinese Internet forums, Kim Jong Il has been called as Kim the fatter or even "Kim f**king" :D
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#602 Postby wyq614 » Tue May 26, 2009 6:39 pm

Now the problem is, we need time to develop, we have the task to develop and realize economic growth, we have to work hard to solve our domestic problems (including human rights problems), only after all these would we make our voice completely heard internationally. Now we don't have enough time or energy to play with the complicated situation of the northeastern Asia.. So just prepare to see a developed China. Had China been fully developed now, we would not coexist with the rogue Kim's Dynasty or Burmese Military Junta, neither do we need to "please" Sudanese government by playing a strange role in the Darfur issue.
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#603 Postby TYNI » Wed May 27, 2009 7:23 am

N. Korea now states it is not bound by 1953 truce.

This is a lot of "saber rattling" in a few short days.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/0 ... index.html
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#604 Postby Ed Mahmoud » Wed May 27, 2009 9:08 am

TYNI wrote:N. Korea now states it is not bound by 1953 truce.

This is a lot of "saber rattling" in a few short days.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/0 ... index.html



Testing the new administration, same way China tested Bush by sending up fighter planes to buzz Navy turboprop patrol planes. If you'll remember, the Chinese pilot got a little too aggressive, collided with the slow, lumbering Navy plane and killed himself, and the Navy plane had to make an emergency landing in Chinese territory.


There was some bluster, but then the Chinese released the American plane after the US expressed 'regret' over the loss of the Chinese pilot. Might have helped that the first President Bush had been ambassador to China once.


I think, if the Norks really got out of China's control, the PLA could roll through North Korea in about a week. North Korea's nuclear 'weapons' are almost certainly 'missile ready' yet, and the PLAAF could destroy the DPRK air force in a few hours so there would be no chance of a plane dropped weapon.


But it is pretty standard to test a new US president, to get his measure.
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#605 Postby wyq614 » Wed May 27, 2009 10:16 am

Well i don't think China was willing to sacrifice a pilot in order to test Bush, you know how much costs to train an air force pilot, also, Chinese g.o.v.t is not as rogue as that of NK, if you think it's rogue, before the nuclear test NK did not even inform its residents nearby.

China doesn't dare to intervene NK in a military way even though people believe it is able to. China claims it wants to be a "RESPONSIBLE big country", with numerous NK cannons and missiles and possible nuclear bombs aiming at Seoul, that SK city may be completely destroyed before China could take control.
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#606 Postby Ed Mahmoud » Wed May 27, 2009 10:21 am

That pilot didn't kill himself on purpose. He was buzzing the slow moving Navy plane and came by too close.


But that is eight years ago now.


Yes, North Korea could kill tens of thousands in Seoul in just a day or two. The South Koreans should have done what Brazil did a few decades back, build a new capital in the Southern part of the country, maybe near Pusan.
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#607 Postby Aslkahuna » Wed May 27, 2009 7:55 pm

For the South Koreans to do so would be an admission of fear of the North and they would lose Face-a very important concept in Asia.

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#608 Postby Stephanie » Wed May 27, 2009 8:04 pm

Personally, I would love for us to "test some missiles" in NK's direction...

Kim Jung is like a little kid that will hold his breath until someone pays attention to him. Too bad he's still smart enough to take a breath every once in a while.
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#609 Postby wyq614 » Wed May 27, 2009 8:34 pm

Aslkahuna wrote:For the South Koreans to do so would be an admission of fear of the North and they would lose Face-a very important concept in Asia.

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Exactly!
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#610 Postby cycloneye » Thu May 28, 2009 10:21 pm

U.S able to fight North Korea if necessary

WASHINGTON – The United States could fight an old-fashioned war against North Korea if necessary, even while newer forms of conflict against terrorists and extremists continue, the Army's top officer said Thursday.

Asked whether the United States would be prepared to fight if war broke out between South Korea and North Korea, Gen. George Casey replied, "The short answer is yes," then added that "it would probably take us a little bit longer to shift gears" away from the type of counterinsurgency fighting that now occupies the Army.

Casey said his usual rubric for how long it would take the Army to gear up for a new "conventional" war is about 90 days. That doesn't mean it would take 90 days for the U.S. to effectively fight the North's million-man army, he said.

"We'd move forces as rapidly as we could get them prepared," Casey said during an appearance at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

North Korea has threatened war following condemnation of its underground nuclear test this week, and the United States has a long-term commitment to South Korea's defense.

"This is a combat-seasoned force" that can pivot quickly, Casey said.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates, speaking to reporters as he traveled to the Far East for a conference with defense ministers, said North Korea's actions have not reached a crisis level that would warrant additional U.S. troops in the region.

"What we do have, though, are two new developments that are very provocative, that are aggressive, accompanied by very aggressive rhetoric," Gates said. "And I think it brings home the reality of the challenge that North Korea poses to the region and to the international community."


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_pentagon_nkorea
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#611 Postby cycloneye » Fri May 29, 2009 7:29 am

North Korea tests another missile

SEOUL, South Korea (CNN) -- North Korea has test-fired a short-range missile off the country's east coast, a South Korean military source told CNN on Friday.

It would be the sixth such missile test since the country conducted a nuclear test Monday.

South Korean and U.S. forces were placed on their second-highest surveillance alert level Thursday, the joint forces announced.

The last time the joint forces raised the "Watchcon" surveillance alert was after North Korea's last nuclear test in 2006, according to South Korea's Yonhap News Agency.

The separate five-stage combat alert level, known as "Defcon," has not changed and remains at stage 4, South Korean defense spokesman Won Tae-jae said at Thursday's briefing, according to Yonhap.

"Additional intelligence assets, including personnel, will be deployed while reconnaissance operations over North Korea will increase," Won said, according to Yonhap. He declined to give specific details, the news agency said.

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiap ... index.html
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#612 Postby cycloneye » Sat May 30, 2009 9:50 am

U.S. Warns North Korea it would respond quickly

SINGAPORE - U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates warned North Korea on Saturday that the United States would respond quickly if moves by the communist government threaten America or its Asian allies.

"We will not stand idly by as North Korea builds the capability to wreak destruction on any target in the region — or on us," Gates told an annual international meeting of defense and security officials from Asia and the Pacific Rim.

Gates called North Korea's nuclear program a "harbinger of a dark future" but said he does not consider it a direct military threat to the United States "at this point."

He also compared North Korea's nuclear program to Iran's, but noted that North Korea's program is farther along. Gates called for "genuinely tough sanctions" against both countries "that bring home real pain for their failure to adhere to international norms."

Gates offered no specifics on how the U.S. might respond to North Korea, militarily or otherwise, and has said there are no current plans to deploy more U.S. forces to the region.

Gen. George Casey, the Army chief of staff, said this week that the U.S. would need about 90 days to get more troops to the region if called up.

An estimated 28,000 U.S. troops already are stationed in South Korea, part of about 250,000 soldiers in the U.S. Pacific Command.

Harshest words to date
Gates' speech delivered his harshest words to date to North Korea since Pyongyang detonated an underground nuclear device Monday, followed by several short-range missile launches over the last few days.

"The choice to continue as a destitute, international pariah, or chart a new course, is North Korea's alone to make," Gates said. "The world is waiting."

The Pentagon chief focused most of his comments on U.S. priorities like high-seas piracy and the war in Afghanistan. Despite his warning, he appeared to take care in the half-hour speech to avoid ratcheting up the rhetoric in the weeklong war of words between North Korea and nations alarmed by its show of weaponry.

The U.N. Security Council is considering tough sanctions to punish North Korea for its nuclear test. In turn, North Korean leaders said they would respond in "self-defense" to the as-of-yet unspecified sanctions but did not say how.

Western security experts suggest that Washington's best strategy may be to resist getting egged into action by North Korea's talk.

"North Korea is talking war but planning how to best avoid it while maintaining the maximum international turmoil," David Fulghum, senior military editor of Aviation Week, said in a statement. "The rationale, believe U.S. analysts and military officials, is that constant provocation of the West is the only road to relevance."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31007296/
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#613 Postby Nimbus » Sat May 30, 2009 12:38 pm

The Chinese shipping fleets appear to be clearing a path where they believe the likelihood of hostilities will be greatest.
Historically the Yellow sea off the west coast of Korea has been an area of dispute.


From Yeonpyeong, the South Korean island closest to North Korea, about a dozen Chinese ships could be seen pulling out of port in the North and heading elsewhere. South Korea's Yonhap news agency reported that more than 280 Chinese vessels were fishing in the area earlier this week, but the number has dropped to about 140.


http://ap.mysinchew.com/node/25231?tid=78

So how do the Chinese cope with the loss of fishing produce and revenue while this event unfolds? Maybe they will fast for peace like Gandhi?
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#614 Postby Ed Mahmoud » Sat May 30, 2009 12:42 pm

I think China currently doesn't mind this test of the new president, but if Japan, for example, were to announce it was changing its constitution to allow an offensive military capacity and was developing nuclear weapons in response to the North's hostility, then China would probably turn the screws on Li'l Kim to back off.
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#615 Postby cycloneye » Mon Jun 01, 2009 3:40 pm

North Korea prepares to launch a long-range missile in another test

North Korea is set to test-launch its most advanced missile, one capable of delivering a nuclear payload to Alaska -- a threat not felt by the U.S. since the end of the Cold War.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates, who is in the Philippines Monday discussing the region's military and security issues, said Pyongyang appears to be preparing to launch an intercontinental ballistic missile -- or ICBM -- a projectile with a range of more than 4,000 miles.

But Gates stopped short of saying the reclusive communist regime had plans to target Alaska -- or any region within the United States.

"At this point, it's not clear what they're going to do," Gates said at a Manila news conference with Philippines Secretary of National Defense Gilberto C. Teodoro Jr. on Monday.

Pentagon officials said satellite images have detected activity at a newly constructed missile site on North Korea's west coast -- a site similar to facilities used in Iran. The imaging shows the long-range missile propped up and ready for launch.

A U.S. official told The Associated Press that satellite images and other intelligence the missile was moved by train, but he did not comment on where it was moved to. Yonhap news agency in South Korea reported that it went to the new Dongchang-ni facility near China.

Yonhap said Pyongyang could be ready to fire it within the next week. But the U.S. official says it could take longer than that.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06 ... latestnews
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#616 Postby HURAKAN » Tue Jun 02, 2009 12:28 pm

N Korea 'names Kim's successor'

North Korea's leader Kim Jong-il has designated his youngest son to be the country's next leader, according to reports in South Korean media.

Two newspapers and an opposition lawmaker said South Korea's spy agency had briefed legislators on the move.

North Korean officials were reportedly told to support Kim Jong-un after the North's 25 May nuclear test.

There has been much speculation over who would follow Mr Kim, who is thought to have suffered a stroke last year.

Analysts have said the North's recent military actions, including last week's nuclear test, may have been aimed at helping Mr Kim solidify power so that he could name a successor.

The reports in the Hankook Ilbo and Dong-a Ilbo newspapers quoted unnamed members of South Korea's parliamentary intelligence committee briefed by the National Intelligence Service, although the spy agency refused to confirm the reports.

The Associated Press news agency reported that opposition legislator Park Jie-won, a member of the parliament's intelligence committee, told local radio he had been briefed by the government on the North's move.

Mr Park said the regime is "pledging allegiance to Kim Jong-un", it reported.

Little is known about Kim Jong-il's youngest son, who is thought to have been born in 1983 or early 1984.

The Dong-a Ilbo added that the North is teaching its people a song lauding Kim Jong-un - who reportedly enjoys skiing and studied English, German and French at a Swiss school.

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There is no confirmed photograph of him as an adult.

Questions have also been raised over whether his late mother, a Japanese-born professional dancer called Ko Yong-hui, was Kim Jong-il's official wife or mistress.

The youngest Kim has been reported as being the son who most resembles his father.

The BBC's Seoul correspondent, Chris Hogg, says it is not the first time there has been speculation that the youngest son was being groomed to succeed his father.

There were reports he had been named as his successor in January. In April the South Korean news agency, Yonhap, said he had joined the North's powerful National Defence Commission.

Our correspondent notes that in a society that values seniority his youth could be a problem.

Some analysts have urged caution, noting that in the absence of much verifiable information coming out of North Korea, there is a wealth of speculation and rumour.

"We had rumours in September, October that it will be Chang Song-taek, Kim Jong-il's brother-in-law, then briefly there were rumours about his second son, then stories about his third son," Andrei Lankov of the Australian National University in Seoul told our correspondent.

"Every few months we have a new wave of rumours."

Who will eventually rule the nuclear-armed North has been the focus of intense media speculation since leader Mr Kim, 67, reportedly suffered a stroke last August.

The last succession was settled 20 years before the death of the Great Leader Kim Il-sung in 1994, and publicly announced at a party congress in 1980.

The reports of the naming of the next leader come amid growing international concern over the North's nuclear programme and its recent missile tests.

South Korea has deployed a high-speed patrol boat armed with missiles to its disputed western maritime border with the North.

It follows reports that the North has moved a long-range missile to a launch site on the west coast.

Meanwhile, at the end of a two-day summit, South Korean President Lee Myung-bak and leaders from the Association of South East Asian Nations (Asean) condemned North Korea's recent nuclear test and missile launches.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/w ... 078324.stm
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#617 Postby Nimbus » Tue Jun 02, 2009 2:06 pm

The Dong-a Ilbo added that the North is teaching its people a song lauding Kim Jong-un - who reportedly enjoys skiing and studied English, German and French at a Swiss school.


A lot of European exposure studying at a Swiss school? Maybe a different face for North Korea?
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#618 Postby Derek Ortt » Tue Jun 02, 2009 3:39 pm

seems more like an absolute monarchy than your typical Communist state
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#619 Postby Squarethecircle » Tue Jun 02, 2009 4:59 pm

Derek Ortt wrote:seems more like an absolute monarchy than your typical Communist state

What do you expect, the guy is crazy out of his mind with power.
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#620 Postby wyq614 » Tue Jun 02, 2009 9:41 pm

Derek Ortt wrote:seems more like an absolute monarchy than your typical Communist state


That's why I call it "Kim's Dynasty"

and I hope that you take these into consideration when talking about NK Nuclear Crisis.

- Don't overestimate China's ability in controlling the NK. NK is not a province of China, nor a protectorate of China. It was 150 years ago, but not now.

- A harmonious Korean Peninsular does not fully correspond Chinese national interest. Now we have pretty much SK invest for us to help developing our country, if two Koreas get unified, these invests may leave China and go back to NK. Therefore, China needs a Korean Peninsular with tension. But the problem is that NK has gone too far and left China a big dilemma.

- A unified Korean Peninsular will probably not be a communist one, much less a kingdom like NK now. The result is that we may have to confront directly with US Armed Forces in our heavy-industrialized northeast region. For China, it is better have a capricious NK as somewhat a shield ally than not have anyone.

- We have our internal problems, check out yourselves which anniversary will come within two or three days (key words: university students, protest), I don't like to point it out directly in order that Storm2k will never be blocked by a certain Firewall system of China :lol:
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