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#1101 Postby AJC3 » Sat Jul 10, 2010 1:29 pm

KWT wrote:As I said in one of the other threads a monster high is the worst case in any set-up because if it doesn't weaken it'll slam CA, if it weakens any or lifts north like I'm real worried will happen will cause the threat zone to lift north.

Put it this way, if we start getting CV waves come off at 15N they probably will be a bigger threat to the Caribbean and US down the line...

ECM does develp a strong high only to weaken it again quite qucikly.


And moreover, the strength/expanse of the surface reflection of the Azores-Bermuda ridge is not the best proxy for strength of the deep layer mean ridge...or at least the low to mid level (say 1000-500MB or 850-500MB) ridge. Sure, there's some degree of correlation, but what is being looked at by posting these surface charts are "base of the mountain" so to speak. Also, the charts that get posted aren't terribly high resolution.

The main point I want to drive home is that there can be weaknesses, pariciularly AOA 700MB, that don't show up well (if at all) at the surface, but will be felt by a westward moving t-wave. Unfortunately, unlike the CIMSS steering analysis fields, global model forecasts of mean height and wind fields are not readily available for the Atlantic basin.
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Re: Long / Medium Range Model Runs

#1102 Postby SEASON_CANCELED » Sat Jul 10, 2010 3:58 pm

2004 Names list is being reused. Coincidence?
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Re: Long / Medium Range Model Runs

#1103 Postby lebron23 » Sat Jul 10, 2010 4:02 pm

the name list is reused every 6 years...
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Re: Long / Medium Range Model Runs

#1104 Postby Ivanhater » Sun Jul 11, 2010 12:34 am

Canadian ensembles has tropical system hitting Florida big bend region

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#1105 Postby Rainband » Sun Jul 11, 2010 2:11 am

me thinks not i am on vaca then
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Re: Long / Medium Range Model Runs

#1106 Postby ROCK » Sun Jul 11, 2010 9:28 am

I havent seen anything out there now that really catches my eye...models are sort of quiet for awhile it seems...Just by looking at the GFS last run, that is one monster B high in the long run. If that was the case anything out there would go the way of Alex.JMO
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#1107 Postby ronjon » Sun Jul 11, 2010 10:12 am

What is kind of interesting from the last several GFS long range runs is the formation of a monsoon trough off the west coast of Africa that extends almost to 40W. It forms about 10 days from now and persists through the end of the 384 hour run. The model might be showing conditions becoming quite unsettled with persistent low pressure just as the start of the cape verde season begins.

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#1108 Postby KWT » Sun Jul 11, 2010 10:16 am

Very interesting, very long way away yet but you maybe right about that Ronjon, esp if the SAL eases down by then.
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Re: Long / Medium Range Model Runs

#1109 Postby cycloneye » Sun Jul 11, 2010 12:08 pm

Also GFS shows the pressures lower than what they are now in the Atlantic with the Azores and Bermuda Highs meaning a negative NAO which means less upwelling warming the waters more and less easterly shear.

http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod ... loop.shtml
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#1110 Postby Rainband » Sun Jul 11, 2010 1:34 pm

SEASON_CANCELED wrote:2004 Names list is being reused. Coincidence?
Huh I see no Charley francis or jeanne?
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Re: Long / Medium Range Model Runs

#1111 Postby Cainer » Sun Jul 11, 2010 1:41 pm

Rainband wrote:Huh I see no Charley francis or jeanne?


Charley, Francis and Jeanne (and Ivan) were all retired after 2004. The replacement names are Colin, Fiona, Igor and Julia I think.
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#1112 Postby Rainband » Sun Jul 11, 2010 1:46 pm

ah gotcha lol :oops:
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#1113 Postby BigA » Sun Jul 11, 2010 1:47 pm

ECMWF agrees with the idea of the lowering NAO in the next 7-12 days. Right now it is quite positive, which is possibly a reason for the great deal of Saharan dust (someone more learned could confirm or deny this).

Here is the link for the forecast through the 20th

http://raleighwx.easternuswx.com/models/ecmwf.html. It's a red and blue bar graph down the page.
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#1114 Postby KWT » Sun Jul 11, 2010 2:05 pm

I'd imagine a +ve NAO wouldn't help with regards to the SAL because a +ve NAO normally occurs in a zonal set-up which at this time of the year allows for big SAL outbreaks.

Models not really showing much in the next 10 days, which makes plenty of sense given the huge outbreak of SAL...
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Re: Long / Medium Range Model Runs

#1115 Postby Ivanhater » Sun Jul 11, 2010 9:31 pm

12z Canadian develops a system approaching the Bahamas

http://moe.met.fsu.edu/cgi-bin/cmctc2.c ... =Animation
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Re: Long / Medium Range Model Runs

#1116 Postby ROCK » Mon Jul 12, 2010 12:16 am

Ivanhater wrote:12z Canadian develops a system approaching the Bahamas

http://moe.met.fsu.edu/cgi-bin/cmctc2.c ... =Animation



from what is what I want to know....the SAL is pushing pretty far west. And the recurve scenario with that huge high forecasted to remain for awhile seems odd.

But it is the CMC...Now if the EURO picks up on it then we might have something...
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Re: Long / Medium Range Model Runs

#1117 Postby ROCK » Mon Jul 12, 2010 12:18 am

meanwhile the ALT ssts continues to bake.......Alex's trail is just about gone....

http://wxmaps.org/pix/hurpot.html#ATL
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Re: Long / Medium Range Model Runs

#1118 Postby Ivanhater » Mon Jul 12, 2010 12:28 am

I agree Rock. It would be hard pressed NOT to see a storm (or more) develop in the next couple of weeks.

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Re: Long / Medium Range Model Runs

#1119 Postby Ivanhater » Mon Jul 12, 2010 12:35 am

Long range Canadian develops a system in the SW Caribbean and sends it into the Gulf

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Re: Long / Medium Range Model Runs

#1120 Postby Ivanhater » Mon Jul 12, 2010 12:46 am

The Canadian and GFS both develop this system in the SW Caribbean but the GFS loses it (no surprise)

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