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#1201 Postby Gustywind » Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:27 pm

Interresting discussion from Jeff Masters
:rarrow: http://classic.wunderground.com/blog/Je ... ticle.html
Last updated: 15: 06 GMT on September 08, 2011

Tropical Storm Maria
Tropical Storm Maria is midway between the Northern Lesser Antilles Islands the coast of Africa, and due to arrive in the Northern Lesser Antilles late Friday night or Saturday morning. Satellite loops show that Maria has been ripped up pretty badly by the 10 - 20 knots of wind shear affecting it, with the low-level center exposed to view, and a few disorganized clumps of heavy thunderstorms lying to the west and northeast of the center. Water vapor satellite images show that Maria is embedded in a very moist environment. Ocean temperatures are near 28.5°C, which is 2°C above the 26.5°C threshold usually needed to sustain a tropical storm. Maria passed just south of Buoy 41041 this morning, and top sustained winds during passage were 42 mph, gusting to 56 mph. Maria will pass close to buoy 41040 near 8pm EDT tonight.

With wind shear predicted to continue in the moderate range for the next five days, and the storm struggling to maintain its circulation, strengthening of Maria to a hurricane before it reaches the Lesser Antilles seems unlikely at this time. None of the intensity models are calling for Maria to reach hurricane strength until well after the storm passes Puerto Rico. However, Mike Ventrice, a meteorology Ph.D. student at the University of Albany, pointed out to me yesterday that a atmospheric disturbance known as a Convectively-Coupled Kelvin Wave (CCKW) is passing through the Lesser Antilles Islands today, and is headed eastwards towards Maria at 25 mph. Maria will encounter this CCKW Thursday night or Friday morning. There is a great deal of upward-moving air in the vicinity of a CCKW, and will help strengthen the updrafts in Maria's thunderstorms, potentially intensifying the storm. None of our models are detailed enough to "see" CCKWs", so we may see more intensification of the storm than the models are calling for. Given the disorganized state Maria is currently in, though, the extra boost in upward motion provided by the CCKW may not make of a difference to the storm.

The track forecasts for Maria from the various models agree that the storm will affect the Northern Lesser Antilles Islands, Virgin Islands, and Puerto Rico. After it passes the Lesser Antilles, Maria has the usual amount of high uncertainty in its 5 - 7 day track forecast. The models are split on how strong the steering influence a trough of low pressure along the U.S. East Coast will have. The UKMET model prefers a more southerly track for Maria through the Turk and Caicos Islands and the Bahamas towards the U.S. East Coast, while the other models predict a more northwesterly track, with a potential threat to Bermuda. Climatology favors a track that would miss the U.S., with Dr. Bob Hart's track history pages suggesting that Maria has a 14% chance of hitting Canada, 5% chance of hitting Bermuda, and an 18% chance of hitting North Carolina.
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Re: ATL: MARIA - Models

#1202 Postby AdamFirst » Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:28 pm

Miami AFD from this afternoon

.EXTENDED FORECAST...
THE WEATHER FOR EARLY TO MIDDLE OF NEXT WEEK WILL MAINLY DEEPEN
ON THE TRACK AND STRENGTH OF TROPICAL STORM MARIA. AT THIS
TIME...THE NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER HAS MARIA LOCATED NEAR THE
CENTRAL BAHAMA ISLANDS TUESDAY MORNING. THE LONG RANGE MODELS OF
THE GFS AND THE ECMWF HAS MARIA MOVING NORTH THROUGH REST OF THE
BAHAMA ISLANDS PASSING TO THE EAST OF SOUTH FLORIDA. THIS WILL PUT
SHOULD FLORIDA IN THE SUBSIDENCE OF THE STORM. HOWEVER...THIS FAR
OUT THE ERROR ON THE LOCATION OF MARIA CAN BE 300 MILES EITHER TO
THE EAST OR WEST OF THE TRACK FROM THE HURRICANE CENTER.
THEREFORE...RESIDENTS AND VISITORS OF SOUTH FLORIDA NEED TO
CONTINUE TO MONITOR THE LATEST FORECAST FROM THE NATIONAL
HURRICANE CENTER ON TROPICAL STORM MARIA THROUGH THE WEEKEND AND
INTO EARLY NEXT WEEK.
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Re: ATL: MARIA - Recon

#1203 Postby tobol.7uno » Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:29 pm

230 miles to go...
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#1204 Postby artist » Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:38 pm

did anyone else notice the NHC track actually goes out only 4 1/2 days this time? To its last forecast point?
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphic ... e#contents
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Re: ATL: MARIA- Tropical Storm- Discussion

#1205 Postby cycloneye » Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:41 pm

Latest data from bouy 41040:

Apart from the winds,pressure keeps falling.

http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page.php?station=41040

Continuous Winds TIME
(GMT) WDIR WSPD
1850 ENE ( 62 deg ) 31.7 kts
1840 ENE ( 64 deg ) 27.4 kts
1830 ENE ( 58 deg ) 25.6 kts
1820 ENE ( 59 deg ) 26.6 kts
1810 ENE ( 58 deg ) 26.8 kts
1800 ENE ( 58 deg ) 27.8 kts

Supplemental Measurements Lowest 1-minute Pressure
Time (GMT) Pressure
1843 29.76 in
Highest 1-minute Wind Speed
Time (GMT) WSPD WDIR
1841 35.0 kts ENE ( 70 deg true )

Peak gust during the measurement hour
TIME
(GMT) GDR GST
1841 ENE ( 60 deg ) 38.9 kts

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#1206 Postby Extratropical94 » Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:42 pm

Observation 14

URNT15 KNHC 081940
AF306 0114A MARIA HDOB 14 20110908
191630 1428N 05504W 4243 07134 0369 -135 -252 262006 008 /// /// 03
191700 1428N 05501W 4539 06630 0342 -100 -241 355002 003 /// /// 03
191730 1427N 05458W 4841 06130 0319 -068 -230 081004 005 /// /// 03
191800 1426N 05455W 5151 05641 0288 -044 -217 074006 008 /// /// 03
191830 1426N 05452W 5474 05160 0257 -018 -201 069009 010 /// /// 03
191900 1425N 05450W 5881 04565 0079 +023 -180 058015 015 /// /// 03
191930 1425N 05447W 6356 03948 0085 +062 -147 063018 018 /// /// 03
192000 1424N 05444W 6745 03453 0087 +085 -083 074022 023 /// /// 03
192030 1424N 05442W 7076 03047 0088 +102 -037 086025 027 /// /// 03
192100 1423N 05440W 7356 02716 0080 +121 +017 087023 023 /// /// 03
192130 1423N 05437W 7652 02385 0078 +139 +068 082024 025 /// /// 03
192200 1422N 05435W 7963 02052 0090 +150 +113 069030 031 /// /// 03
192230 1422N 05433W 8309 01689 0089 +168 +139 068032 033 /// /// 03
192300 1421N 05430W 8686 01308 0091 +184 +166 069030 033 /// /// 03
192330 1421N 05428W 9064 00930 0085 +201 +190 072041 046 /// /// 03
192400 1420N 05426W 9405 00603 0078 +217 //// 066042 043 035 002 05
192430 1420N 05425W 9604 00433 0082 +232 +230 064036 036 032 003 00
192500 1420N 05423W 9633 00403 0085 +234 +218 064036 038 033 002 00
192530 1419N 05422W 9612 00419 0079 +231 +220 063034 036 030 005 03
192600 1418N 05421W 9596 00433 0076 +228 +219 062034 035 030 002 00
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Re: ATL: MARIA - Models

#1207 Postby bigdan35 » Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:44 pm

I definitely think the southeast coast should watch this closely.
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Re: ATL: MARIA - Recon

#1208 Postby tobol.7uno » Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:49 pm

Just entered the circulation and already have SFMR of 40 mph.
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Re: ATL: MARIA - Recon

#1209 Postby tobol.7uno » Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:50 pm

currently 190 miles from the estimated center of circulation
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#1210 Postby Macrocane » Thu Sep 08, 2011 3:05 pm

Gustywind wrote:Interresting discussion from Jeff Masters
:rarrow: http://classic.wunderground.com/blog/Je ... ticle.html
Last updated: 15: 06 GMT on September 08, 2011



Very interesting Gusty, let's see if it verifies, thanks for sharing.
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Re: ATL: MARIA - Recon

#1211 Postby Extratropical94 » Thu Sep 08, 2011 3:05 pm

Dropsonde 04

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Product: Air Force Temp Drop (Dropsonde) Message (UZNT13 KNHC)
Transmitted: 8th day of the month at 19:42Z
Aircraft: Air Force Aircraft (Last 3 digits of the tail number are 306)
Storm Number: 14
Storm Name: Maria (flight in the North Atlantic basin)
Mission Number: 1
Observation Number: 04

Part A...

Date: Near the closest hour of 19Z on the 8th day of the month
Highest Mandatory Level For Which Wind Was Reported: 400mb
Coordinates: 14.5N 55.3W (View map)
Location: 305 miles (492 km) to the ENE (71°) from Bridgetown, Barbados.
Marsden Square: 042 (About)

Level    Geo. Height    Air Temp.    Dew Point    Wind Direction    Wind Speed
1006mb (29.71 inHg)    Sea Level (Surface)    27.6°C (81.7°F)    Approximately 23°C (73°F)   Unavailable
1000mb   52m (171 ft)   27.2°C (81.0°F)    22.4°C (72.3°F)   70° (from the ENE)    29 knots (33 mph)
925mb   737m (2,418 ft)   21.0°C (69.8°F)    19.7°C (67.5°F)   70° (from the ENE)    43 knots (49 mph)
850mb   1,469m (4,820 ft)   19.0°C (66.2°F)    Approximately 13°C (55°F)   75° (from the ENE)    39 knots (45 mph)
700mb   3,116m (10,223 ft)   10.0°C (50.0°F)    8.0°C (46.4°F)   65° (from the ENE)    32 knots (37 mph)
500mb   5,840m (19,160 ft)   -5.1°C (22.8°F)    Approximately -24°C (-11°F)   80° (from the E)    6 knots (7 mph)
400mb   7,560m (24,803 ft)   -15.9°C (3.4°F)    Approximately -49°C (-56°F)   260° (from the W)    6 knots (7 mph)
300mb    9,660m (31,693 ft)   Height extrapolated since sonde was released within 25mbs below this level.

Information About Radiosonde:
- Launch Time: 19:13Z
- About Sonde: A descending radiosonde tracked automatically by satellite navigation with no solar or infrared correction.

Remarks Section...

Splash Location: 14.5N 55.38W
Splash Time: 19:26Z

Release Location: 14.52N 55.32W (View map)
Release Time: 19:13:51Z

Splash Location: 10.58N 65.42W (View map)
Splash Time: 19:26:03Z

Mean Boundary Level Wind (mean wind in the lowest 500 geopotential meters of the sounding):
- Wind Direction: 70° (from the ENE)
- Wind Speed: 33 knots (38 mph)

Deep Layer Mean Wind (average wind over the depth of the sounding):
- Wind Direction: 70° (from the ENE)
- Wind Speed: 19 knots (22 mph)
- Depth of Sounding: From 315mb to 1004mb

Average Wind Over Lowest Available 150 geopotential meters (gpm) of the sounding:
- Lowest 150m: 162 gpm - 12 gpm (531 geo. feet - 39 geo. feet)
- Wind Direction: 70° (from the ENE)
- Wind Speed: 30 knots (35 mph)

Sounding Software Version: AEV 20802

Height of the last reported wind: 13 geopotential meters

Part B: Data For Significant Levels...

Significant Temperature And Relative Humidity Levels...
Level    Air Temperature    Dew Point
1006mb (Surface)   27.6°C (81.7°F)    Approximately 23°C (73°F)
923mb   21.0°C (69.8°F)    19.8°C (67.6°F)
909mb   21.6°C (70.9°F)    17.1°C (62.8°F)
850mb   19.0°C (66.2°F)    Approximately 13°C (55°F)
789mb   15.0°C (59.0°F)    12.3°C (54.1°F)
733mb   12.8°C (55.0°F)    8.8°C (47.8°F)
682mb   9.0°C (48.2°F)    7.2°C (45.0°F)
621mb   5.0°C (41.0°F)    Approximately -2°C (28°F)
608mb   4.0°C (39.2°F)    Approximately -10°C (14°F)
596mb   2.8°C (37.0°F)    Approximately -11°C (12°F)
590mb   2.4°C (36.3°F)    Approximately -6°C (21°F)
581mb   2.0°C (35.6°F)    Approximately -22°C (-8°F)
565mb   1.0°C (33.8°F)    Approximately -38°C (-36°F)
537mb   -2.1°C (28.2°F)    Approximately -30°C (-22°F)
526mb   -3.1°C (26.4°F)    Approximately -18°C (-0°F)
502mb   -4.9°C (23.2°F)    Approximately -25°C (-13°F)
492mb   -5.7°C (21.7°F)    Approximately -20°C (-4°F)
455mb   -9.3°C (15.3°F)    Approximately -46°C (-51°F)
431mb   -11.9°C (10.6°F)    Approximately -40°C (-40°F)
357mb   -22.1°C (-7.8°F)    Approximately -46°C (-51°F)
315mb   -29.1°C (-20.4°F)    -29.1°C (-20.4°F)

Significant Wind Levels...
Level    Wind Direction    Wind Speed
1006mb (Surface)   Unavailable
1004mb   70° (from the ENE)    29 knots (33 mph)
942mb   65° (from the ENE)    38 knots (44 mph)
930mb   70° (from the ENE)    44 knots (51 mph)
920mb   75° (from the ENE)    41 knots (47 mph)
911mb   75° (from the ENE)    46 knots (53 mph)
877mb   75° (from the ENE)    38 knots (44 mph)
850mb   75° (from the ENE)    39 knots (45 mph)
599mb   55° (from the NE)    16 knots (18 mph)
571mb   75° (from the ENE)    12 knots (14 mph)
468mb   30° (from the NNE)    4 knots (5 mph)
373mb   245° (from the WSW)    10 knots (12 mph)
350mb   240° (from the WSW)    13 knots (15 mph)
333mb   265° (from the W)    12 knots (14 mph)
323mb   235° (from the SW)    14 knots (16 mph)
315mb   225° (from the SW)    16 knots (18 mph)
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#1212 Postby Gustywind » Thu Sep 08, 2011 3:11 pm

Macrocane wrote:
Gustywind wrote:Interresting discussion from Jeff Masters
:rarrow: http://classic.wunderground.com/blog/Je ... ticle.html
Last updated: 15: 06 GMT on September 08, 2011



Very interesting Gusty, let's see if it verifies, thanks for sharing.

:) thanks. I humbly try...
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#1213 Postby tobol.7uno » Thu Sep 08, 2011 3:13 pm

looks like we are going to be missing some data again. It has been almost 30 minutes since the last update.
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#1214 Postby Aric Dunn » Thu Sep 08, 2011 3:15 pm

Convection building closer to the center again. looks like its going to hang onto TS status.
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/flt/t3/loop-rgb.html
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Re: ATL: MARIA - Recon Discussion

#1215 Postby cycloneye » Thu Sep 08, 2011 3:20 pm

Data is very slow comming out.

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Re: ATL: MARIA - Recon

#1216 Postby tobol.7uno » Thu Sep 08, 2011 3:23 pm

What is the problem with the aircraft today. There has been issues with Nate too, just not as bad as with Maria. Still no update. Got a dropsonde report out ahead of where the plane's last transmission was from.
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#1217 Postby KWT » Thu Sep 08, 2011 3:24 pm

ECM never really pulls Maria together, keeps it as weak sheared system throughout...
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Re: ATL: MARIA - Recon Discussion

#1218 Postby Cranica » Thu Sep 08, 2011 3:26 pm

Are they having budget issues or something? I can't remember recon ever having this much issue in previous years, virtually every flight this year has had technical problems.
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Re: ATL: MARIA - Recon Discussion

#1219 Postby Dave » Thu Sep 08, 2011 3:26 pm

cycloneye wrote:Data is very slow comming out.

:sleeping:


Nothing coming in to the archives for Maria either cycloneye..watching for both in there.
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Re: ATL: MARIA- Tropical Storm- Discussion

#1220 Postby DisasterMagnet » Thu Sep 08, 2011 3:26 pm

Gustywind wrote:
BatzVI wrote:This just has shades of Marilyn '95 to me....disorganized, then passing through Guadeloupe area, slowing down, intensifying, and then slamming up from the south....hopefully she'll stay disorganized....

Not good memories for most of the Leewardians :eek:, especially for us in Guadeloupe tell HUC how nasty was this night at Basse-Terre.. a nightmare. Let's hope it stays like that and be on our guard islanders.



I was living in Estate Pearl for Marilyn, we had just gotten over the long-lived Luis when Marilyn sprang to life out of seemingly nowhere. Maria also reminds me of Marilyn in that expectations were low, then BAM. I also hope she stays a TS for all in her path!
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