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Re: ATL: Tropical Depression 18 - Discussion

#161 Postby Hurricaneman » Mon Oct 22, 2012 1:44 pm

sunnyday wrote:Can you explain what you mean by So Fla being in the "squeeze play" for several days? Thank you for your response. 8-) 8-)


The high pressure to the west and the possible hurricane to the east would cause a wind gradient hence the use of squeeze play
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Re: ATL: Tropical Depression 18 - Discussion

#162 Postby cycloneye » Mon Oct 22, 2012 1:45 pm

IMO the only thing I am going to say is that is organizing fast.

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Re: ATL: Tropical Depression 18 - Discussion

#163 Postby Hurricaneman » Mon Oct 22, 2012 1:48 pm

I'm getting this feeling this is going to be more than what is forecast before leaving the Caribbean based on organizational trends
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Re: ATL: Tropical Depression 18 - Discussion

#164 Postby fci » Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:16 pm

Hurricaneman wrote:I'm getting this feeling this is going to be more than what is forecast before leaving the Caribbean based on organizational trends


The forecast is to be a Hurricane when it leaves the Caribbean.
I don't expect more than that personally. 8-)

I also don't expect South Florida to be in the cone either; to answer a prior post.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Depression 18 - Discussion

#165 Postby cycloneye » Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:29 pm

Hmmm,recon found center more SW than where it was at 2 PM.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Depression 18 - Discussion

#166 Postby Blown Away » Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:34 pm

cycloneye wrote:Hmmm,recon found center more SW than where it was at 2 PM.


Well, the 2pm TD18 was at 13.5N/78.5W, I'm not seeing the new coordinates?
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Re: ATL: Tropical Depression 18 - Discussion

#167 Postby ozonepete » Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:35 pm

cycloneye wrote:Hmmm,recon found center more SW than where it was at 2 PM.


Hmm, yes. Even fairly small amounts of westerly motion now have important bearing on the track.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Depression 18 - Discussion

#168 Postby Evil Jeremy » Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:36 pm

Blown Away wrote:
cycloneye wrote:Hmmm,recon found center more SW than where it was at 2 PM.


Well, the 2pm TD18 was at 13.5N/78.5W, I'm not seeing the new coordinates?


There was a wind shift at 12.9N 78.7W
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Re: ATL: Tropical Depression 18 - Discussion

#169 Postby blp » Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:40 pm

Take a look at the graphic below that shows this clearly. The low level circulation is SW of the 2pm.

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Re: ATL: Tropical Depression 18 - Discussion

#170 Postby wxman57 » Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:43 pm

Recon may be finding the center close to 13N vs. 13.5N. 78.8W longitude. Plane is making another pass heading east along 12.7-12.8N to see what's there.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Depression 18 - Discussion

#171 Postby jlauderdal » Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:44 pm

sunnyday wrote:Can you explain what you mean by So Fla being in the "squeeze play" for several days? Thank you for your response. 8-) 8-)


here you go, squeeze play=pressure gradient:
DETERIORATING MARINE CONDITIONS ACROSS THE ATLANTIC WATERS
WILL BE EXPECTED DUE TO THE TIGHT PRESSURE GRADIENT BETWEEN THIS
SYSTEM AND HIGH PRESSURE TO THE NORTH.


http://kamala.cod.edu/fl/latest.fxus62.KMFL.html
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Re: ATL: Tropical Depression 18 - Discussion

#172 Postby Hurricaneman » Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:44 pm

This is not quite as organized as it looks, the surface low is SW of the MLC and won't majorly develop until this can stack
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#173 Postby gatorcane » Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:44 pm

When I loop the SAT images, looks like it is still moving slowly WSW, no hint of any North movement yet. Just how west it goes certainly makes a difference as far as potential impacts down the road:

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/tatl/loop-vis.html
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Re: ATL: Tropical Depression 18 - Discussion

#174 Postby cycloneye » Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:58 pm

Updated 18z Best Track

They changed to what where recon found the center. Still a TD.

AL, 18, 2012102218, , BEST, 0, 129N, 788W, 25, 1002, TD

http://ftp.nhc.noaa.gov/atcf/tcweb/inve ... 012.invest
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#175 Postby Frank2 » Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:59 pm

Just a guess, but looking at the WV loop, it may do a Hurricane Lenny (1999) and move ENE eventually - NE or ENE is the only weakness at this time to it's north, unless it keeps moving slowly WSW and crosses into the Pacific - that'd be a hoot...
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Re: ATL: Tropical Depression 18 - Discussion

#176 Postby canes04 » Mon Oct 22, 2012 3:05 pm

The further SW it goes it may get trapped in the Caribbean. These late season systems in this area are notorious for erratic movements.
Anything is possible.
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#177 Postby Evil Jeremy » Mon Oct 22, 2012 3:08 pm

1001.2mb pressure found at 12.1N, 78.25W

Also, TS winds found.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Depression 18 - Discussion

#178 Postby wxman57 » Mon Oct 22, 2012 3:12 pm

Yes, expect an upgrade to "Sandy" in 30-45 min. Farther south position doesn't really change the track much in the long run.
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#179 Postby CrazyC83 » Mon Oct 22, 2012 3:16 pm

Based on the data, accounting for the rain enhancement of the 52 kt SFMR, I would say the intensity is 40 kt.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Depression 18 - Discussion

#180 Postby Evil Jeremy » Mon Oct 22, 2012 3:20 pm

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