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#2621 Postby Ntxw » Tue Jan 08, 2013 6:10 pm

weatherdude1108 wrote:
HouTXmetro wrote:Ntxw, I just love your insight. Keep it coming! :D


Couldn't agree more HouTXmetro! Thanks Ntwx for keeping things in perspective! :) I know our reading of the models can be open to interpretation, confusing, and stir up emotions at times for many of us (including me), which can start the rumor mill. It is cool to have someone on here (and others) who can address and explain the models based on best educated guesses, without the -removed- bias. :wink: I'm very guilty of -removed-. :P I'm trying to get better though. :wink:


Thanks guys! I am actually very biased :cheesy:! Cold mongerer ftw!

I actually have no idea what I'm talking about half the time. I like to consult with PWC before putting anything out but sometimes you know those mets at the central hq office are too busy model watching most of the time.
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#2622 Postby Rgv20 » Tue Jan 08, 2013 6:12 pm

Possible Severe Thunderstorm Watch later this evening for my area..

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MESOSCALE DISCUSSION 0003
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
0353 PM CST TUE JAN 08 2013

AREAS AFFECTED...PORTIONS S AND SW TX INVOF RIO GRANDE VALLEY...EWD
ROUGHLY TO JCT-SAT-MFE LINE.

CONCERNING...SEVERE POTENTIAL...WATCH POSSIBLE

VALID 082153Z - 090030Z

PROBABILITY OF WATCH ISSUANCE...40 PERCENT

SUMMARY...THROUGH REMAINDER AFTERNOON INTO EARLY EVENING -- I.E.
THROUGH 03Z -- CONDITIONS ARE EXPECTED TO BECOME MORE FAVORABLE FOR
SVR OVER OUTLINED AREA ALONG AND E OF RIO GRANDE VALLEY. ONSET
TIMING OF SFC-BASED SVR RISK OVER MAINLY DEEP S TX REMAINS
UNCERTAIN...BUT WW MAY BE REQUIRED IN NEXT COUPLE OF HOURS.

DISCUSSION...SFC MESOANALYSIS INDICATES LOW INVOF NRN ZAPATA
COUNTY...WITH WAVY WARM FRONT EWD OVER BROOKS COUNTY...NEWD TO NEAR
BYY...THEN EWD OVER WATERS OFFSHORE GLS. QUASISTATIONARY FRONTAL
ZONE EXTENDS SWWD INTO DEEPER LOW OVER HIGH TERRAIN OF NRN MEX.
AREAS OF LOW PRESSURE SHOULD BLEND GRADUALLY AS MID-UPPER LEVEL
CYCLONE PIVOTS EWD FROM ITS LATEST POSITION ABOUT 250 NM S ELP.
CONSIDERABLE PRECIP OVER GULF HAS DIFFUSED TX COASTAL FRONTAL ZONE
SOMEWHAT...WITH PUREST MARITIME/TROPICAL AIR LOCATED WELL OUT OVER
OPEN GULF S OF OUTFLOW BOUNDARIES. STILL...BROAD/STRENGTHENING LLJ
IS EXPECTED TO CONTRIBUTE TO SHALLOWER AND LESS STABLE BOUNDARY
LAYER N OF FRONT WITH TIME...WHILE THETAE ADVECTION INCREASES
BUOYANCY ON BOTH SIDES OF FRONT. DEEP SHEAR WILL STRENGTHEN WITH
APCH OF CYCLONE ALOFT...INCREASING ORGANIZED CONVECTIVE/SVR THREAT
WITH ACTIVITY MOVING NEWD OUT OF CURRENT TSTM GENESIS REGION OVER
MEX PLATEAU. STG CAPPING HAS BEEN EVIDENT IN 12Z MONTERREY SOUNDING
AS WELL AS SEVERAL MODEL FCST SOUNDINGS ACROSS S TX AHEAD OF MEX
CONVECTION...INDICATING LOW PROBABILITY OF DEVELOPMENT NEAR SFC LOW
OR FRONT PRIOR TO ARRIVAL OF STRONGER LARGE-SCALE LIFT RELATED TO
CYCLONE ALOFT.

DAYLONG PERSISTENCE OF LOW-CLOUD COVER AND RELATED STABILIZING
EFFECTS SUGGEST SOME DELAY IN SFC-BASED SVR POTENTIAL WITH
CONVECTION MOVING NEWD OUT OF MEX. ACTIVITY IS EXPECTED TO STAY
ELEVATED OVER NRN PORTIONS OF THIS AREA...WITH MAIN CONCERN BEING
MRGL SVR HAIL AND OCNL STG GUSTS. HOWEVER...EROSION OF STABLE LAYER
OVER DEEP S TX...COMBINED WITH INCREASINGLY INTENSE QLCS-MODE
ORGANIZATION THIS EVENING...SHOULD LEAD TO GRADUAL INCREASE IN WIND
THREAT WITH TIME.

..EDWARDS/MEAD.. 01/08/2013


ATTN...WFO...CRP...EWX...BRO...SJT...

LAT...LON 29780050 30020013 30459966 30379896 29979870 29329849
26219853 26239868 26369880 26379909 26499911 26549919
26839926 26909938 27009938 27029946 27259947 27299954
27379944 27519949 27629957 27659970 27829988 28140008
28260028 28510038 29140067 29150079 29240077 29780050
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#2623 Postby BigB0882 » Tue Jan 08, 2013 6:44 pm

It is really coming down now. I don't usually hear the rain all the well from inside my house but I can't ignore it tonight.
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#2624 Postby Ntxw » Tue Jan 08, 2013 7:57 pm

Starting to see good lift as the upper low gets near. Can see some rain starting to train in Central Texas

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Re: Texas Winter 2012-2013

#2625 Postby KeriCarter » Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:31 pm

I enjoy reading everyone's input on the weather so I thought I would post this since I am no help with any of the technical weather stuff :D

Issued by The National Weather Service
Shreveport, LA
Tue, Jan 8, 2013, 9:09 PM CST
Local Radar Map
Updated Jan 8, 2013, 9:20pm CST

... FLASH FLOOD WATCH REMAINS IN EFFECT THROUGH LATE WEDNESDAY NIGHT...
THE FLASH FLOOD WATCH CONTINUES FOR

* PORTIONS OF SOUTHWEST ARKANSAS... LOUISIANA AND TEXAS... INCLUDING THE FOLLOWING AREAS... IN SOUTHWEST ARKANSAS... MILLER. IN LOUISIANA... BIENVILLE... BOSSIER... CADDO... CALDWELL... CLAIBORNE... DE SOTO... GRANT... JACKSON... LA SALLE... LINCOLN... NATCHITOCHES... OUACHITA... RED RIVER... SABINE LA... UNION LA... WEBSTER AND WINN. IN TEXAS... ANGELINA... BOWIE... CAMP... CASS... CHEROKEE... FRANKLIN... GREGG... HARRISON... MARION... MORRIS... NACOGDOCHES... PANOLA... RED RIVER... RUSK... SABINE TX... SAN AUGUSTINE... SHELBY... SMITH... TITUS... UPSHUR AND WOOD.

* THROUGH LATE WEDNESDAY NIGHT

* AN UPPER LEVEL STORM SYSTEM WILL LIFT ACROSS SOUTHERN AND CENTRAL TEXAS TONIGHT INTO WEDNESDAY. SHOWERS AND EMBEDDED THUNDERSTORMS... WITH THE POTENTIAL FOR HEAVY RAINFALL... WILL INCREASE IN COVERAGE TONIGHT THROUGH WEDNESDAY AS A WARM FRONT SLOWLY LIFTS NORTH INTO DEEP EAST TEXAS AND CENTRAL LOUISIANA. RAINFALL AMOUNTS OF THREE TO FIVE INCHES... WITH ISOLATED AMOUNTS EXCEEDING SIX INCHES... WILL BE POSSIBLE THROUGH LATE WEDNESDAY NIGHT. EXCESSIVE RUNOFF OF RAINFALL COULD RESULT IN FLASH FLOODING.
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#2626 Postby weatherdude1108 » Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:36 pm

Rained about a half hour ago with vivid lightning and thunder in south Cedar Park. Freaked out the dog! :eek: 0.18-inch in last hour. 0.69 in last 24 hours. In a temporary break now. Off to bed if I can get any sleep. :wink:
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#2627 Postby Comanche » Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:39 pm

Should a cold monger be fretting over the fact that every GFS run over the past few days seems to delay and also shunt the cold away from the south? This is looking more and more with each run, a northern tier cold. Am I seeing things wrong here?
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Re: Texas Winter 2012-2013

#2628 Postby iorange55 » Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:40 pm

00z GFS is certainly interesting for next week...
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#2629 Postby Big O » Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:43 pm

iorange55 wrote:00z GFS is certainly interesting for next week...


How so?
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Re: Texas Winter 2012-2013

#2630 Postby Comanche » Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:44 pm

iorange55 wrote:00z GFS is certainly interesting for next week...


All I see is 3-4 days of mediocre cold, where is the locked in, long duration cold pattern? Every frikkin run loses a little more cold!!
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Re: Texas Winter 2012-2013

#2631 Postby Ntxw » Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:46 pm

Comanche wrote:
iorange55 wrote:00z GFS is certainly interesting for next week...


All I see is 3-4 days of mediocre cold, where is the locked in, long duration cold pattern? Every frikkin run loses a little more cold!!


What exactly are you looking for? The models have continuously gotten colder for that 'mediocre' cold. They had nothing just this past weekend.
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Re: Texas Winter 2012-2013

#2632 Postby HockeyTx82 » Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:09 am

What is up with the GFS and the last frame from that run? It has cold air just spilling south right into Texas. Am I seeing that right?

I think it was the 12z, maybe the 18z. Sorry, watched it then stepped out.
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Re: Texas Winter 2012-2013

#2633 Postby orangeblood » Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:11 am

All 4 members of the CFSv2 model are showing a Texas winter storm for the middle of next week.....since I've been following this model, it's been fairly reliable in the 5-10 day range when all 4 members align

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#2634 Postby TeamPlayersBlue » Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:14 am

Just had some lightning and a 6 minute downpour at the house. Thunder and lightning was shaking things here.
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#2635 Postby weatherdude1108 » Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:24 am

One more thing (before bed), looking at the radar right now, the heavy rains appear to be training in an area of the hill country where it would potentially runoff into upstream tributaries of Lakes Travis, Buchanan, and Medina. :) Here's hoping and praying some of that water is captured! Dry soils will absorb their share first.:roll: A few silver linings are that it looks like soil saturation may be on our side based on cool temps, low evaporation, and dormant vegetation. That goes for all of Texas (except maybe deep south Texas that has vegetation growing)! :) Ok, nighty night. Looking at next round of fun heading up from the south! :rain: :lightning:
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Re: Texas Winter 2012-2013

#2636 Postby Comanche » Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:27 am

Ntxw wrote:
Comanche wrote:
iorange55 wrote:00z GFS is certainly interesting for next week...


All I see is 3-4 days of mediocre cold, where is the locked in, long duration cold pattern? Every frikkin run loses a little more cold!!


What exactly are you looking for? The models have continuously gotten colder for that 'mediocre' cold. They had nothing just this past weekend.


Friday 1-4 0z run, valid 1-14 12z:
http://www.instantweathermaps.com/GFS-p ... F&hour=252

VS.

Wednesday 1-9 0z run, valid 1-14 12z:
http://www.instantweathermaps.com/GFS-p ... F&hour=132

Keep reading things about a very cold pattern that can lock in. Bring me some Moosejaw dammit!!
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Re: Texas Winter 2012-2013

#2637 Postby Ntxw » Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:40 am

Comanche wrote:Friday 1-4 0z run, valid 1-14 12z:
http://www.instantweathermaps.com/GFS-p ... F&hour=252

VS.

Wednesday 1-9 0z run, valid 1-14 12z:
http://www.instantweathermaps.com/GFS-p ... F&hour=132

Keep reading things about a very cold pattern that can lock in. Bring me some Moosejaw dammit!!


That's comparing La-La land gfs back then :P it's always going to show cold :wink:. Portastorm advises not using them (only for overall patterns) or we will get disappointed. Overall the medium range is getting colder per set of runs, and that time frame will likely as well when it gets closer. Don't set the bar too high though

It is a little discerning the models have trended closer to the +PNA idea instead of keeping the ridge over the water, orangeblood pointed this out from the GFS ensembles the other day. Still far out, lots of emotions a flare

Edit: It's raining pretty good outside and the radar has lit up along I-35 of Texas
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#2638 Postby Texas Snowman » Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:43 am

From Joe B: "@BigJoeBastardi: Texas Deluge now, major cold shot next week. Freeze to LRGV a real concern record highs se, but Europe..ouch!"
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#2639 Postby boca » Wed Jan 09, 2013 1:08 am

Texas Snowman wrote:From Joe B: "@BigJoeBastardi: Texas Deluge now, major cold shot next week. Freeze to LRGV a real concern record highs se, but Europe..ouch!"


I wish I was in Texas here in Florida were stuck in a summer pattern which isnt supposed to break with a subtropical ridge sitting on top of us.We can't get a cold front here.
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#2640 Postby Ntxw » Wed Jan 09, 2013 1:13 am

boca wrote:I wish I was in Texas here in Florida were stuck in a summer pattern which isnt supposed to break with a subtropical ridge sitting on top of us.We can't get a cold front here.


Yeah, that ridge looks nasty for Florida. More typical of something you see in a strong La Nina, it's parked there pretty good.
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