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#4661 Postby SFLcane » Fri May 30, 2014 9:45 am

Ntxw wrote:WWB are not a necessity this late in the game. The damage has already been done as the base state of the Pacific (currents) have alreary been flipped, that is the main purpose of wwbs. Now its just the ebb and flow of feedback. WWB will be needed later in July and August for the next intraseasonal change.

Besides its going to take more than no El Nino to ramp up the Atlantic, AMO still reading negative and v. instability not favorable. My money is on the EPAC


tend to agree with you.. :( trying to stay positive. atlantic is just not the place to be if your looking for bonified tc.
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#4662 Postby cycloneye » Fri May 30, 2014 9:58 am

Ntxw,the TAO graphic shows the split for three days now. Let's see what happens in the next week and see if that continues or the warm fills in again.

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#4663 Postby xtyphooncyclonex » Fri May 30, 2014 10:41 am

I really hope that those buoys over the Pacific will be fixed and will be improved and updated.
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#4664 Postby cycloneye » Sat May 31, 2014 8:38 am

I wonder if this eruption of a volcano in Indonesia may have an effect on ENSO in terms of the warming.

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Re: ENSO Updates

#4665 Postby cycloneye » Sat May 31, 2014 10:32 am

We have not talked in the past few weeks about the SOI and the ESPI so here is the latest. Since Mid-April it has remained at positive after being at El Nino threshold of -8 and below on most of March and early April. Let's see when it will fall back to negative once again and more when it will be below -8.

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http://www.longpaddock.qld.gov.au/seaso ... tionindex/

The ESPI also has reversed from being around -1.60 a few weeks ago to now up to -19.

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#4666 Postby euro6208 » Sat May 31, 2014 11:05 am

Looks like something is preventing this pre el nino from advancing and becoming stronger :roll: I am way less enthusiastic about it now that i wouldn't be surprised if this turns out to be a weak el nino.

Oh well, maybe we can get a super event in the next few years. We are due for one anyways right? :lol:
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#4667 Postby Hybridstorm_November2001 » Sat May 31, 2014 11:17 am

Which is what I love about extreme long range forecasting more often than not, you just never know what will actually happen.
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#4668 Postby euro6208 » Sat May 31, 2014 11:25 am

Hybridstorm_November2001 wrote:Which is what I love about extreme long range forecasting more often than not, you just never know what will actually happen.


I am hoping for a Super El nino in 2016-2017. Next year might be neutral or la nina though.
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Re: ENSO Updates

#4669 Postby CaliforniaResident » Sat May 31, 2014 12:01 pm

SSTs are pretty high with all regions above Nino threshold with 1+2 being the highest; I am still betting on at least a moderate El Nino.
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#4670 Postby dexterlabio » Sat May 31, 2014 2:04 pm

What's happening right now is not a step back but is actually maintaining what was done in the past few months... It only needs to be maintained for another month or two for this El Nino to be declared official.


From the very start a super El Nino was not guaranteed, we just noticed how the first months of this year resembled that of 1997 with the strong WWB and large subsurface warm pool at that early. I don't know if it's just me but I think this year is similar to the 1991 El Nino. Signs of EN (warm EPac SST's) showed up early that year and first ONI value at El Nino threshold was observed in AMJ....but unlike other strong El Nino years, it only became moderate at its peak..


I know El Nino can be beneficial to those areas in the Americas (Texas, CA) which experienced drought...but it's still best not to wish for a super strong one. :lol:
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#4671 Postby CaliforniaResident » Sat May 31, 2014 3:55 pm

dexterlabio wrote:What's happening right now is not a step back but is actually maintaining what was done in the past few months... It only needs to be maintained for another month or two for this El Nino to be declared official.


From the very start a super El Nino was not guaranteed, we just noticed how the first months of this year resembled that of 1997 with the strong WWB and large subsurface warm pool at that early. I don't know if it's just me but I think this year is similar to the 1991 El Nino. Signs of EN (warm EPac SST's) showed up early that year and first ONI value at El Nino threshold was observed in AMJ....but unlike other strong El Nino years, it only became moderate at its peak..


I know El Nino can be beneficial to those areas in the Americas (Texas, CA) which experienced drought...but it's still best not to wish for a super strong one. :lol:


I'm hoping for a super strong one; it's the biggest hope of ending California's drought and giving us some weather action (By California standards). However, I think you're right that the most likely outcome is medium.
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#4672 Postby xtyphooncyclonex » Sat May 31, 2014 8:17 pm

dexterlabio wrote:What's happening right now is not a step back but is actually maintaining what was done in the past few months... It only needs to be maintained for another month or two for this El Nino to be declared official.


From the very start a super El Nino was not guaranteed, we just noticed how the first months of this year resembled that of 1997 with the strong WWB and large subsurface warm pool at that early. I don't know if it's just me but I think this year is similar to the 1991 El Nino. Signs of EN (warm EPac SST's) showed up early that year and first ONI value at El Nino threshold was observed in AMJ....but unlike other strong El Nino years, it only became moderate at its peak..


I know El Nino can be beneficial to those areas in the Americas (Texas, CA) which experienced drought...but it's still best not to wish for a super strong one. :lol:

1991 was a strong El Niño actually. Anomalies peaked at +2.0°C in CPC data.
One thing about the 1991 event was that it was a modoki El Niño which transitioned into a traditional El Niño. Something that event did not have was that the very warm Niño anomalies existed early, like 1997 and 2014. My guess is that this would be a mix of the 1997 and 1991 events but I don't want an extreme El Niño because it brings SE Asia, NE Brazil, The Midwest, Extreme SE Africa and Australia very dry weather.

A likely El Niño scenario IMO is a mix of the 1997 event which had unusually warm anomalies over the Niño 1 and 2 regions and a very warm PDO like 2014; the 1982 event, which developed much like 2014, slowly then eventually very rapidly later on; the 1991 event which a volcano had a major eruption over the WPac and the SST pattern, not in 1 and 2 Niño regions but in 3, 3.4 & 4 regions are having a resemblance and the event had the first 0.5 anomaly at roughly the same day; and 2009, the most recent event but in the same cold PDO era. 2014 has very warm PDO on a cold PDO era, like 1972.
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Re: ENSO Updates

#4673 Postby xtyphooncyclonex » Sat May 31, 2014 8:20 pm

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dexterlabio wrote:What's happening right now is not a step back but is actually maintaining what was done in the past few months... It only needs to be maintained for another month or two for this El Nino to be declared official.


From the very start a super El Nino was not guaranteed, we just noticed how the first months of this year resembled that of 1997 with the strong WWB and large subsurface warm pool at that early. I don't know if it's just me but I think this year is similar to the 1991 El Nino. Signs of EN (warm EPac SST's) showed up early that year and first ONI value at El Nino threshold was observed in AMJ....but unlike other strong El Nino years, it only became moderate at its peak..


I know El Nino can be beneficial to those areas in the Americas (Texas, CA) which experienced drought...but it's still best not to wish for a super strong one. :lol:


I'm hoping for a super strong one; it's the biggest hope of ending California's drought and giving us some weather action (By California standards). However, I think you're right that the most likely outcome is medium.

Please also consider those places that their people rely on agriculture and the SE Asia and Australia regions get really bad droughts which cost them their jobs, livelihood, etc.
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#4674 Postby xtyphooncyclonex » Sat May 31, 2014 8:24 pm

euro6208 wrote:Looks like something is preventing this pre el nino from advancing and becoming stronger :roll: I am way less enthusiastic about it now that i wouldn't be surprised if this turns out to be a weak el nino.

Oh well, maybe we can get a super event in the next few years. We are due for one anyways right? :lol:

The upwelling phase of the KELVIN WAVE and the dry MJO over the Pacific. Once the wet MJO arrives over the Pacific, SOI will go down, ESPI will stop tanking, SSTs over the Pacific will warm even faster, and El Niño development will not slow down. A strong El Niño is very likely this year in ONI data.

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#4675 Postby xtyphooncyclonex » Sat May 31, 2014 8:26 pm

cycloneye wrote:I wonder if this eruption of a volcano in Indonesia may have an effect on ENSO in terms of the warming.

http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/5887/b6ga.jpg

Analog year could be 1991, which was also an El Niño year. Mount Pinatubo in north-central Philippines had a massive eruption which cooled the global temps but did not hinder the El Niño.
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#4676 Postby xtyphooncyclonex » Sat May 31, 2014 8:43 pm

There is an uncertainty in the anomalies over the equator. UNISYS and Reynold's Climatology are warmer and NOAA and TAO have it cooler.

To the daily Niño anomalies (might be unofficial)
Niño 1+2: +1.7○C
Niño 3: +0.6○C
Niño 3.4: +0.5○C
Niño 4: +0.8○C

SOI is rising due to dry weather and higher pressure over Tahiti, but it is still at neutral levels.
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Re: ENSO Updates

#4677 Postby CaliforniaResident » Sun Jun 01, 2014 2:06 pm

xtyphooncyclonex wrote:
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dexterlabio wrote:What's happening right now is not a step back but is actually maintaining what was done in the past few months... It only needs to be maintained for another month or two for this El Nino to be declared official.


From the very start a super El Nino was not guaranteed, we just noticed how the first months of this year resembled that of 1997 with the strong WWB and large subsurface warm pool at that early. I don't know if it's just me but I think this year is similar to the 1991 El Nino. Signs of EN (warm EPac SST's) showed up early that year and first ONI value at El Nino threshold was observed in AMJ....but unlike other strong El Nino years, it only became moderate at its peak..


I know El Nino can be beneficial to those areas in the Americas (Texas, CA) which experienced drought...but it's still best not to wish for a super strong one. :lol:


I'm hoping for a super strong one; it's the biggest hope of ending California's drought and giving us some weather action (By California standards). However, I think you're right that the most likely outcome is medium.

Please also consider those places that their people rely on agriculture and the SE Asia and Australia regions get really bad droughts which cost them their jobs, livelihood, etc.


You're right: I was only thinking in American terms as El Nino being the "Robin Hood" of weather creating less hurricanes in Atlantic and milder winters in the Midwest causing the Eastern U.S to less weather woes and giving rain and occasional thunderstorms to rainless and temperature California. I should think more on global terms. I don't want anyone to suffer the consequences of massive drought/flood but it would be nice for California get get some badly needed rain.
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#4678 Postby Steve820 » Sun Jun 01, 2014 5:30 pm

I'm hoping the El Nino will become strong so it can end California's drought. I mean, I think it only rained here only a few times the past several months! We need this rain badly!
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#4679 Postby Ntxw » Sun Jun 01, 2014 7:30 pm

Update tomorrow guys! All these ups and downs lets see where it stands. We've held pretty steady (+-0.1) since late April.
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Re: ENSO Updates

#4680 Postby Ntxw » Mon Jun 02, 2014 7:07 am

This week's ENSO anomalies index shows a rise in 3.4 to +0.6C. 1+2 to +1.6C, 3 remains at +0.7C, and 4 at +0.9C. Should be official at the update in a few hours.

With that said there's definitely something going on with the buoys that does not match.
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