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Re: Texas Winter 2014-2015

#3401 Postby Yukon Cornelius » Wed Jan 21, 2015 12:38 pm

The thing that has me puzzled over this whole possible winter weather scenario is, with the Xmas blizzard of 2009, the temp was in the upper 60s/lower 70s for days before the event and even right up to when the precipitation occurred. I realize this is probably a completely different scenario. If I remember right, we were forecasted to stay above freezing and a mix of rain and snow was forecasted for my area. When the precipitation started falling, the temp dropped and what started as rain quickly changed over to snow. Our local forecasting office called for a light dusting to no accumulation and we ended up getting around 12". Could something like that occur this time? I'm sure the accumulations would be quite less, but what are the chances something similar could occur?
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#3402 Postby ronyan » Wed Jan 21, 2015 12:43 pm

Yukon Cornelius wrote:The thing that has me puzzled over this whole possible winter weather scenario is, with the Xmas blizzard of 2009, the temp was in the upper 60s/lower 70s for days before the event and even right up to when the precipitation occurred. I realize this is probably a completely different scenario. If I remember right, we were forecasted to stay above freezing and a mix of rain and snow was forecasted for my area. When the precipitation started falling, the temp dropped and what started as rain quickly changed over to snow. Our local forecasting office called for a light dusting to no accumulation and we ended up getting around 12". Could something like that occur this time? I'm sure the accumulations would be quite less, but what are the chances something similar could occur?


If the snow is heavy enough it can create a sub-freezing layer on the ground.
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#3403 Postby TheProfessor » Wed Jan 21, 2015 12:46 pm

The SREF has trended colder, wetter, and snowier so far today, it's mean shows about 2.5 inches of precipitation and 2 inches of snow with temperatures around 37 at the time of snow. The colder ensembles show a temp of 34 with 8-12 inches of snow, they also show less precip as the warmer ensembles. If the colder ensembles are correct this could look a lot like 2010. :eek:
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#3404 Postby Brent » Wed Jan 21, 2015 1:09 pm

TheProfessor wrote:The SREF has trended colder, wetter, and snowier so far today, it's mean shows about 2.5 inches of precipitation and 2 inches of snow with temperatures around 37 at the time of snow. The colder ensembles show a temp of 34 with 8-12 inches of snow, they also show less precip as the warmer ensembles. If the colder ensembles are correct this could look a lot like 2010. :eek:


Don't even bring up that analog. :P

I have to say I woke up today with a sense this storm is going to surprise...
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Re: Texas Winter 2014-2015

#3405 Postby wxman57 » Wed Jan 21, 2015 1:35 pm

The airmass across NE TX and OK just doesn't look that cold. Might be a chance of some sleet in the DFW area but I think that's it. Snow will likely be confined to the Panhandle and west TX. Both the Euro and NAM indicate a small pocked of 1/2" to 1" of snow north of DFW up around the Red River, but the atmosphere looks too warm in the lower thousand feet or so for snow.
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#3406 Postby Ntxw » Wed Jan 21, 2015 1:41 pm

This isn't like something we saw in 2010 or December 2009. There isn't a vast cold air mass sitting in place. This set up is something SE Texas often sees, dynamic driven if you're lucky it will changeover for a time and heavy qpf makes up for lack of cold ratios for the lucky ones.
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Re: Texas Winter 2014-2015

#3407 Postby Ralph's Weather » Wed Jan 21, 2015 1:45 pm

wxman57 wrote:The airmass across NE TX and OK just doesn't look that cold. Might be a chance of some sleet in the DFW area but I think that's it. Snow will likely be confined to the Panhandle and west TX. Both the Euro and NAM indicate a small pocked of 1/2" to 1" of snow north of DFW up around the Red River, but the atmosphere looks too warm in the lower thousand feet or so for snow.

I agree, even the cold models seem to be too warm for snow. I have a hard time seeing how the cold ensemble members will verify, but if they do it will be a big time event which is why it is interesting.
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Re: Texas Winter 2014-2015

#3408 Postby Yukon Cornelius » Wed Jan 21, 2015 1:46 pm

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Re: Texas Winter 2014-2015

#3409 Postby Tejas89 » Wed Jan 21, 2015 2:08 pm

Large swath of rain moving toward the metroplex from the SW. Bring it. We're almost .5" above normal so far this year, in our driest month usually. These 24-36 hour soakers are always welcome.
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#3410 Postby Shoshana » Wed Jan 21, 2015 2:11 pm

As far as I've seen in weather reports, all we're going to see here in Austin is cold rain. We need rain.

Wish we'd get some hard freezes to kill the weeds though, we're already seeing weeds that normally show up in March.
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#3411 Postby TeamPlayersBlue » Wed Jan 21, 2015 2:20 pm

I dont see snow for DFW either. Dont get too excited for it!
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#3412 Postby Tireman4 » Wed Jan 21, 2015 2:24 pm

Shoshana wrote:As far as I've seen in weather reports, all we're going to see here in Austin is cold rain. We need rain.

Wish we'd get some hard freezes to kill the weeds though, we're already seeing weeds that normally show up in March.


Yeah, the clovers are nuts in Houston ( at least in my neighborhood)
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Re: Texas Winter 2014-2015

#3413 Postby orangeblood » Wed Jan 21, 2015 2:24 pm

AO falling off a cliff....check out the blocking over the Pole late next week by both the Euro and GFS. Both models build 1060 plus HP's in Northern Canada (some 6 Standard Deviations above normal). This winter is far from over!!

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#3414 Postby TheProfessor » Wed Jan 21, 2015 2:37 pm

Hmmm FWD now has a low of 32 Thursday night for me (southern Denton County) last I checked they had it being 36, I wonder if there is any possibility for heavy precipitation rates Thursday night, I think that's one of the reason some of the SREF ensembles are showing 4 inches of snow for DFW with the temps a little above freezing.
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Re: Texas Winter 2014-2015

#3415 Postby Ralph's Weather » Wed Jan 21, 2015 2:38 pm

orangeblood wrote:AO falling off a cliff....check out the blocking over the Pole late next week by both the Euro and GFS. Both models build 1060 plus HP's in Northern Canada (some 6 Standard Deviations above normal). This winter is far from over!!


That should be the best snow setup we have seen this season. The 12Z GFS shows it resulting in similar conditions to this week though a bit cooler, but that set-up should be colder than it is showing.
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#3416 Postby CaptinCrunch » Wed Jan 21, 2015 2:41 pm

ground temp have warmed greatly over the past few days with near 70 degree temps, however a good cold rain will cool the ground by several degrees, and if it can cool it enough and you get a heavy snow burst to quickly cover the ground it can create a thermal blanket allowing the snow above to start accumulating.
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Re: Texas Winter 2014-2015

#3417 Postby Tireman4 » Wed Jan 21, 2015 2:52 pm

[quote="orangeblood"]AO falling off a cliff....check out the blocking over the Pole late next week by both the Euro and GFS. Both models build 1060 plus HP's in Northern Canada (some 6 Standard Deviations above normal). This winter is far from over!!


This does not bode well for Heat Mongerers...:)
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#3418 Postby TheProfessor » Wed Jan 21, 2015 3:00 pm

The 15z SREF comes in little bit wetter with similar temperatures as the 9z. Showing 2.5 inches of QPF for DFW.
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#3419 Postby Ralph's Weather » Wed Jan 21, 2015 3:18 pm

18Z NAM looks warmer for tomorrow afternoon than previous runs with freezing level above 850mb. Looking at it tomorrow morning will need to be watched for areas north of I-30 as the band of heavy precip moves through.
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#3420 Postby weatherdude1108 » Wed Jan 21, 2015 3:21 pm

Anybody see the 12Z GFS from about 228 to 288 hours out (February 1-2)? It paints a mixed-bag picture of precipitation from rain to snow in west Texas and the panhandle, to more rain (maybe storms) across the majority of the rest of the state.

Granted it's a ways off in Winter Wonderland prediction, but definitely something to eyeball and talk about.
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