ATL: HARVEY - Post-Tropical - Discussion

[jasons2k]

I have a roof leak over my garage

[storm_in_a_teacup]

the lack of rain near and west of the center is to be expected. Heavy rain will continue to fall east of the center where the flow is onshore and there is isentropic upglide.

What is isentropic upglide? Sorry if I ask so many questions. I know tons of astrophysics jargon, but meterology is not my area of expertise, of course.

[galaxy401]

Sugar Land is getting plummeted by that heavy rain now.

[RL3AO]

the lack of rain near and west of the center is to be expected. Heavy rain will continue to fall east of the center where the flow is onshore and there is isentropic upglide.

What is isentropic upglide? Sorry if I ask so many questions. I know tons of astrophysics jargon, but meterology is not my area of expertise, of course.

The best way to think of it is there is general rising motion near Houston which will continue to produce heavy rain.

[Roxy]

abc13.com showing helicopter rescues on south loop in Houston area.

Boat and helicopter rescues have been fast and furious all day, God bless those who didn't wait and just started helping. Sun is setting soon, I hope everyone got out.

[collegebroke]

I've been on this site since it started and just love how kind everyone is on this site. I also have been living in Sugarland/Richmond SW Houston area for 40 years. I've been through depressions, storms, Allison, Ike, and just general storms. At my house we have received 22" of rain in 35 hours and expecting more. The current forecast brings the storm directly over our house tomorrow night or Tuesday morning. Never, Never, have evacuations taken place like this. If you don't live here, you can't really understand. Just on a Friday or Sunday night, the normal traffic pattern is so heavy that it takes an amazing amount of time to get home. During the one evacuation that was called during Rita (I think), We spent an hour on the main road to leave and only got 1/2 mile. We chose to stay this time because we've had 22" of rain before and that was pretty much the forecast at first. Secondly, the storms usually move out pretty quick or at least give us a break for water to drain. Not this one. The thing is that the only one who would have known what this storm would do is its Creator. Considering the horrible experience that we had with trying to evacuation 6+ million (people died on the highway while stranded, sick and out of gas), and the bad experiences in the last year plus Allison, considering that the governor got disaster declarations two days before it hit, considering that all the county judges (including Ed Emmet) and city mayors have worked together to pull resources together, things could have been much, much worse. I'm grateful for the planning and good sense that is here now. I does not help to see people who really don't know talk badly about the people that I think have done an excellent job. Seems to me that the energy that is being used to lay blame would better be used to lay bricks on the road to recovery. Yes we have a leak in the roof, yes we are stranded in our neighborhood, yes, we are expecting it to get a little worse, but we have power, food, water, and a generator. I woke up on the right side of the daylight. I can't ask for more. Thanks for letting me vent.

Honestly, I was wondering why more people did not evacuate(including relatives and friends). When I heard CATASTROPHIC and what they were expecting, I thought, I would be out of there! Thanks for shedding light on the situation. I hope you remain safe and lives are spared. Praying for all in its path.

I live in a small town, and I'm sure it's different in a big city (although I HAVE lived in large
Cities), but let me say this:

I KNOW plenty of ways - using back roads, cutting through neighborhoods, etc. to get OUT of Dodge! I would venture to say there may have been ways, using shortcuts and such, may have been better ways to move through and out of town than being on the highways where everyone was trying to be.

Yeah, I thought I did too but so did 4000 other people in my subdivision that knew the same back roads.haha It took 1 1/2 hours to get 1/2 a mile down the street and 8 minutes to get back home My friends left and went to Dallas The 5 hour drive took them 18 hours. I'm warm, dry, in my soft jammies about to watch Game of Throne and not in a car in the rain. We are also two less people that first responders have to deal with. Again, I would really appreciate everyone applauding our first responders, OEM personnel, and volunteers .

[Roxy]

Honestly, I was wondering why more people did not evacuate(including relatives and friends). When I heard CATASTROPHIC and what they were expecting, I thought, I would be out of there! Thanks for shedding light on the situation. I hope you remain safe and lives are spared. Praying for all in its path.

I live in a small town, and I'm sure it's different in a big city (although I HAVE lived in large
Cities), but let me say this:

I KNOW plenty of ways - using back roads, cutting through neighborhoods, etc. to get OUT of Dodge! I would venture to say there may have been ways, using shortcuts and such, may have been better ways to move through and out of town than being on the highways where everyone was trying to be.

Yeah, I thought I did too but so did 4000 other people in my subdivision that knew the same back roads.haha It took 1 1/2 hours to get 1/2 a mile down the street and 8 minutes to get back home My friends left and went to Dallas The 5 hour drive took them 18 hours. I'm warm, dry, in my soft jammies about to watch Game of Throne and not in a car in the rain. We are also two less people that first responders have to deal with. Again, I would really appreciate everyone applauding our first responders, OEM personnel, and volunteers .

I could also tell you a horrible evacuation story. Point is, no one would have left...

[storm_in_a_teacup]

the lack of rain near and west of the center is to be expected. Heavy rain will continue to fall east of the center where the flow is onshore and there is isentropic upglide.

What is isentropic upglide? Sorry if I ask so many questions. I know tons of astrophysics jargon, but meterology is not my area of expertise, of course.

The best way to think of it is there is general rising motion near Houston which will continue to produce heavy rain.

Isentropic sounds like it is constant entropy. So...is this similar to an adiabatic process?

[Hurricane Andrew]

Honestly, I was wondering why more people did not evacuate(including relatives and friends). When I heard CATASTROPHIC and what they were expecting, I thought, I would be out of there! Thanks for shedding light on the situation. I hope you remain safe and lives are spared. Praying for all in its path.

I live in a small town, and I'm sure it's different in a big city (although I HAVE lived in large
Cities), but let me say this:

I KNOW plenty of ways - using back roads, cutting through neighborhoods, etc. to get OUT of Dodge! I would venture to say there may have been ways, using shortcuts and such, may have been better ways to move through and out of town than being on the highways where everyone was trying to be.

Yeah, I thought I did too but so did 4000 other people in my subdivision that knew the same back roads.haha It took 1 1/2 hours to get 1/2 a mile down the street and 8 minutes to get back home My friends left and went to Dallas The 5 hour drive took them 18 hours. I'm warm, dry, in my soft jammies about to watch Game of Throne and not in a car in the rain. We are also two less people that first responders have to deal with. Again, I would really appreciate everyone applauding our first responders, OEM personnel, and volunteers .

I will second this. Running a regular call for an hour or two is exhausting. Conducting non-stop operating for days at a time is unimaginable. Up here, at a major fire or something, we can rotate crews in and out, like they did at the Gap. Right now in TX, there aren't even enough resources for one shift, never mind breaking up into multiple rotations. Pray for them, for their strength, because long days are ahead for Fire, PD, and EMS, as well as OEM overseeing all of them.

[meriland29]

[artist]

I have a roof leak over my garage

Oh, gee. Do you have a tarp?

[PaulR]

saved radar loop

Yikes! Some of our friends are North of Beaumont, in an area that easily floods...

[RL3AO]

Isentropic sounds like it is constant entropy. So...is this similar to an adiabatic process?

That's exactly what it is.



Heavy rain continues to fall to the north of the red line that appears to be some sort of boundary/weak front in the surface obs. We'll have to see how it evolves over the next few days.

[meriland29]

I see that there is dry air circulating, however, is it going to effect or currently effecting Harvey? Or do you suppose he is on another path

[Sanibel]

Slowly pushing core feeder bands back towards warm water while dry air wraps in to the system in the south quadrant...

[SunnyThoughts]

Amazing on twc, huge dump truck filled with people that were rescued. Hate to think of how many are left to be rescued. The people are so grateful.

[Steve]

Tornado/rotation outbreak in the band near Port Arthur. Hopefully news crews will be in that area tomorrow to cover the unfolding issues for them
https://radar.weather.gov/ridge/radar.p ... 11&loop=no

[PaulR]

I live in a small town, and I'm sure it's different in a big city (although I HAVE lived in large
Cities), but let me say this:

I KNOW plenty of ways - using back roads, cutting through neighborhoods, etc. to get OUT of Dodge! I would venture to say there may have been ways, using shortcuts and such, may have been better ways to move through and out of town than being on the highways where everyone was trying to be.

Yeah, I thought I did too but so did 4000 other people in my subdivision that knew the same back roads.haha It took 1 1/2 hours to get 1/2 a mile down the street and 8 minutes to get back home My friends left and went to Dallas The 5 hour drive took them 18 hours. I'm warm, dry, in my soft jammies about to watch Game of Throne and not in a car in the rain. We are also two less people that first responders have to deal with. Again, I would really appreciate everyone applauding our first responders, OEM personnel, and volunteers .

I will second this. Running a regular call for an hour or two is exhausting. Conducting non-stop operating for days at a time is unimaginable. Up here, at a major fire or something, we can rotate crews in and out, like they did at the Gap. Right now in TX, there aren't even enough resources for one shift, never mind breaking up into multiple rotations. Pray for them, for their strength, because long days are ahead for Fire, PD, and EMS, as well as OEM overseeing all of them.

Given the technology available*, evacuations could be MUCH better managed. In the Houston example, nowhere near all 6 million people need to be moved, and certainly not at once.

*I have a lot of ideas on that, but, also a question: How many people are "on the move" in, say, the Houston Metro area, during the evening rush hour? That gives us a benchmark to start with...

[birddogsc]

Having responded to the 2015 SC Floods with the SC SERT, I can tell you there are situations that no one would have expected to happen in TX that will happen. The most fortunate thing for SC was the absolute worse of the flooding occurred in less populated areas. Flooding at this level in a large urban area is almost incomprehensible.

Prayers for the people of Texas... there's a chance I might see you soon.

[SunnyThoughts]

Helicopter rescue from a roof live on abc13.com Elderly woman they got her. Just absolutely amazing Along Brays bayou, for those who may know where that is.