ATL: HARVEY - Post-Tropical - Discussion

[nutkin517]

My parents' power is off. My mom is diabetic and takes insulin, so hopefully it comes back on soon. My sister got some water in her house, but she's ok. And my other brother and his wife, son are ok. He's just stuck at work in Orange at the Firestone plant.

[artist]

If it gets worse Gilbert Lakes could have a 2 ft wall of water, and want citizens to know of that possibility. From Jefferson county Judge. Already have emergency declarations.

[artist]

Hobby and George Bush Airports will reopen at 4 today.

[millerm277]

So, a general question here regarding the flooding that has taken place (or continuing in Port Arthur and elsewhere). For areas in and around Houston, it appears at least for now that additional rains are finally becoming less of a threat. With the flooding that has already occurred, what are local officials indicating as an approximate period of time where they think flood waters will finally recede? Also, not being from Texas or particularly aware of the levies in place, rivers and dam systems..... are flooding conditions likely to continue or even be exacerbated by upstream swollen rivers? Are dam systems presently in place still at risk of rupturing? How long will local officials expect to "force-flood" neighborhoods in order to protect the integrity of present dams that are in place?

You can take a look at all the USGS gauges in the area here: https://water.weather.gov/ahps2/forecasts.php?wfo=hgx

Some are clearly broken/out of service (if you see no recent readings/nonsensical ones), but otherwise it's useful.

From a quick look at things, it appears most of the smaller/upstream locations are around their crests or dropping. Many of the larger rivers/locations far downstream still have a while till crest and are going to stay high for much longer. Ex: Brazos @ Richmond (near Rosenberg) looks to be cresting around Midnight Thurs night, but closer to the coast at West Columbia isn't until early morning Saturday or so and that's going to stay up near there for days.

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Some of those dam systems have pretty slow drawdowns even with higher than traditional release rates. Addicks reservoir took 3 weeks to draw down to the point where the roads running through it could reopen after filling last year, and they're currently stating they'll likely take months to be fully emptied this time.

https://www.hcfcd.org/press-room/curren ... alo-bayou/

Some quick math to illustrate: Addicks is at it's maximum capacity (200,000acre-ft). Maximum controlled release rate is 8000cfs, and that's a level high enough to cause downstream issues. Even if everything upstream dried up tomorrow and stopped there were zero inflows (obviously, not even remotely the case), it would still take 12.6 days with the gates wide open to drain out, and with inflows it'll be far longer. If there's anything significant next week it is going to have limited capacity to help.

[artist]

My parents' power is off. My mom is diabetic and takes insulin, so hopefully it comes back on soon. My sister got some water in her house, but she's ok. And my other brother and his wife, son are ok. He's just stuck at work in Orange at the Firestone plant.

Awesome news all ok.

[artist]

So, a general question here regarding the flooding that has taken place (or continuing in Port Arthur and elsewhere). For areas in and around Houston, it appears at least for now that additional rains are finally becoming less of a threat. With the flooding that has already occurred, what are local officials indicating as an approximate period of time where they think flood waters will finally recede? Also, not being from Texas or particularly aware of the levies in place, rivers and dam systems..... are flooding conditions likely to continue or even be exacerbated by upstream swollen rivers? Are dam systems presently in place still at risk of rupturing? How long will local officials expect to "force-flood" neighborhoods in order to protect the integrity of present dams that are in place?

You can take a look at all the USGS gauges in the area here: https://water.weather.gov/ahps2/forecasts.php?wfo=hgx

Some are clearly broken/out of service (if you see no recent readings/nonsensical ones), but otherwise it's useful.

From a quick look at things, it appears most of the smaller/upstream locations are around their crests or dropping. Many of the larger rivers/locations far downstream still have a while till crest and are going to stay high for much longer. Ex: Brazos @ Richmond (near Rosenberg) looks to be cresting around Midnight Thurs night, but closer to the coast at West Columbia isn't until early morning Saturday or so and that's going to stay up near there for days.

--------------

Some of those dam systems have pretty slow drawdowns even with higher than traditional release rates. Addicks reservoir took 3 weeks to draw down to the point where the roads running through it could reopen after filling last year, and they're currently stating they'll likely take months to be fully emptied this time.

https://www.hcfcd.org/press-room/curren ... alo-bayou/

Some quick math to illustrate: Addicks is at it's maximum capacity (200,000acre-ft). Maximum controlled release rate is 8000cfs, and that's a level high enough to cause downstream issues. Even if everything upstream dried up tomorrow and stopped there were zero inflows (obviously, not even remotely the case), it would still take 12.6 days with the gates wide open to drain out, and with inflows it'll be far longer. If there's anything significant next week it is going to have limited capacity to help.

And I heard in the Addicks area it could take up to 2 months to drain out.

[artist]

600 evacuees at Beaumont Civic Center.

[Aric Dunn]

ok, so Im pretty sure a ese to SE motion was not forecast by any model .. yet it is indeed moving ese... looking at the steering the ridging behind that trough appears to be slightly stronger and could be causing this motion.. just means more rain in the same areas......

[artist]

Good news, the main road on Galveston Island is clear and cars running up and down it.

[artist]

If anyone can help or knows someone that can, from Cajun Navy-

ALERT: we need boats in Port Arthur. Zello Channel: Port Arthur Rescue
Rally Points

Port Arthur Response Rally Points



Rally Point

Memorial Baptist Church

4011 Memorial Blvd, Port Arthur, TX 77640


Staging Area

Walmart

8585 Memorial Blvd, Port Arthur TX 77640



Zello Channel: "Port Arthur Rescue" and "BoatersPATX"



I-10 heading East towards Beaumont is CLOSED, please use Highway 90 with at least a stock height truck

If you do not have a boat or 4 wheel drive you will be turned around at Liberty, Texas


If you have more rally points or rescue operations information please email "houharveyrescue@gmail.com"!

[artist]

From their website-

Thanks to you, 3996 people have been marked SAFE!

Many more rescues needed.

[Hurricane Andrew]

From their website-

Thanks to you, 3996 people have been marked SAFE!

Many more rescues needed.

Indeed. Thousands and thousands more.

[jasons2k]

Southerngale has been rescued to a local a church!! She is out, thank God.

[Hurricane Andrew]

Southerngale has been rescued to a local a church!! She is out, thank God.

Thank goodness! Will update my contact...

[jabman98]

Southerngale has been rescued to a local a church!! She is out, thank God.

Fantastic news!! So glad to hear it. Thanks for letting us know.

[JtSmarts]

Thrilled that our Southerngale is safe!

[artist]

Southerngale has been rescued to a local a church!! She is out, thank God.

Hallelujah! Thanks, jasons.

[Hurricane Andrew]

Every person saved is a kick in the face of this storm, and according to the HHR website, over 4,000 have been saved by the LCN alone. THIS is what America is. Not black. Not white. Not left, or right. Not Christian, or Muslim. Not political. But one. Unified, together, protecting each other. THAT is America, and I will carry this belief to my deathbed.

[Blinhart]

Louisiana governor-
Many homes and businesses have been damaged.

Levee has been breached in Galan now. Same as it did last year.

Gueydan not Galan

[artist]

Louisiana governor-
Many homes and businesses have been damaged.

Levee has been breached in Galan now. Same as it did last year.

Gueydan not Galan

Thank you. Thought I left the ? mark after it. Heard it with no spelling.