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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion: 11 AM advisory up to 100 mph

#701 Postby Janie2006 » Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:22 am

One glimmer of silver lining here is the following: historically, a storm that reaches Cat 5 strength in the Atlantic can rarely maintain that level for long periods of time, which is not to say that she wouldn't remain a major hurricane. Hypothetically speaking, of course.

And apparently I can't use grammar today. :x
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion: 11 AM advisory up to 100 mph

#702 Postby JPmia » Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:23 am

meriland29 wrote:Someone mentioned note of a cat 6, of course speculation.. now, I do know that there have been recorded hurricanes that surpassed 170mph and more, my question is, in the event some system is say, 180mph or so, would the NHC keep it at a cat 5 or...


I believe you know the answer to this question. If not, a simple Google search would help you find it. Look up Saffir Simpson Scale.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion: 11 AM advisory up to 100 mph

#703 Postby AdamFirst » Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:23 am

meriland29 wrote:Someone mentioned note of a cat 6, of course speculation.. now, I do know that there have been recorded hurricanes that surpassed 170mph and more, my question is, in the event some system is say, 180mph or so, would the NHC keep it at a cat 5 or...


There is nothing higher than Cat 5.

Hurricane Patricia, the eastern Pacific storm in 2015, had sustained winds one point at 215 MPH. Still a Cat 5.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion: 11 AM advisory up to 100 mph

#704 Postby SouthFLTropics » Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:24 am

meriland29 wrote:Someone mentioned note of a cat 6, of course speculation.. now, I do know that there have been recorded hurricanes that surpassed 170mph and more, my question is, in the event some system is say, 180mph or so, would the NHC keep it at a cat 5 or...


No such thing as a Cat 6...Category 5 is the highest the Saffir Simpson scale goes. And on that topic, after Harvey, there needs to be a serious review during the offseason of the Saffir Simpson scale. We'll save that discussion for another time.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion: 11 AM advisory up to 100 mph

#705 Postby meriland29 » Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:24 am

The t hing that sucks is GFS predicts a cat 3-4 to hit the EC near NY and NE area ON September 11th
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#706 Postby O Town » Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:24 am



What I find interesting about that hurricane is that there are 0 deaths.....?
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion: 11 AM advisory up to 100 mph

#707 Postby BobHarlem » Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:24 am

Janie2006 wrote:One glimmer of silver lining here is the following: historically, a storm that reaches Cat 5 strength in the Atlantic can rarely maintain that level for long periods of time, which is not to say that she wouldn't remain a major hurricane. Hypothetically speaking, of course.

And apparently I can't use grammar today. :x


Even if that occurs, the build up of surge from Cat 5 is unreal (See Katrina) and that takes a good while to disperse, long after winds have gone down.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion: 11 AM advisory up to 100 mph

#708 Postby RL3AO » Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:24 am

Janie2006 wrote:One glimmer of silver lining here is the following: historically, a storm that reaches Cat 5 strength in the Atlantic can rarely maintain that level for long periods of time, which is not to say that she wouldn't remain a major hurricane. Hypothetically speaking, of course.

And apparently I can't use grammar today. :x


I don't think this is a good thing. Irma will have time for multiple eyewall replacements. Each one will make the windfield larger and the storm bigger when it approaches it's western most point.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion: 11 AM advisory up to 100 mph

#709 Postby Janie2006 » Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:25 am

meriland29 wrote:Someone mentioned note of a cat 6, of course speculation.. now, I do know that there have been recorded hurricanes that surpassed 170mph and more, my question is, in the event some system is say, 180mph or so, would the NHC keep it at a cat 5 or...


It remains a Cat 5, unless there was a serious upgrade to the scale that someone failed to mention.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion: 11 AM advisory up to 100 mph

#710 Postby weathaguyry » Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:26 am

Is there any chance that this could make it to a major by the end of the day?
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion: 11 AM advisory up to 100 mph

#711 Postby Kingarabian » Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:26 am

Aric Dunn wrote:So who wants to call SSD and have them switch the floater ? :P


Why can't we they put a Himawari or a GOES16 off Western Africa
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion: 11 AM advisory up to 100 mph

#712 Postby Janie2006 » Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:27 am

BobHarlem wrote:
Even if that occurs, the build up of surge from Cat 5 is unreal (See Katrina) and that takes a good while to disperse, long after winds have gone down.


I know. I was there. Trust.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion: 11 AM advisory up to 100 mph

#713 Postby Aric Dunn » Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:27 am

weathaguyry wrote:Is there any chance that this could make it to a major by the end of the day?


very likely ... next 4 to 6 hours
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion: 11 AM advisory up to 100 mph

#714 Postby SouthFLTropics » Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:28 am

weathaguyry wrote:Is there any chance that this could make it to a major by the end of the day?


I think an argument can be made that it is close to being a major right now. End of the day is certainly within grasp.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion: 11 AM advisory up to 100 mph

#715 Postby Kingarabian » Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:28 am

weathaguyry wrote:Is there any chance that this could make it to a major by the end of the day?


Yes. Looks like Aric was too conservative as usual when he issued his "major hurricane in 36hours" statement :D
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion: 11 AM advisory up to 100 mph

#716 Postby meriland29 » Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:30 am

weathaguyry wrote:Is there any chance that this could make it to a major by the end of the day?



It skipped cat 1 altogether, what do you think? Look at the eye..

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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion: 11 AM advisory up to 100 mph

#717 Postby Weatherboy1 » Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:30 am

Well if there's anything good to all of this, it's that Irma is way, way out there still. We could end up with a "fish" depending on what the modelling shows through the weekend. So no need to worry too much this early. Just "watchful waiting" time for now.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion: 11 AM advisory up to 100 mph

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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion: 11 AM advisory up to 100 mph

#719 Postby RL3AO » Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:32 am

weathaguyry wrote:Is there any chance that this could make it to a major by the end of the day?


At this rate I'd be surprised if it didn't.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion: 11 AM advisory up to 100 mph

#720 Postby Janie2006 » Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:33 am

RL3AO wrote:
Janie2006 wrote:
I don't think this is a good thing. Irma will have time for multiple eyewall replacements. Each one will make the windfield larger and the storm bigger when it approaches it's western most point.


True, but then wouldn't we also have to assume that atmospheric conditions remain quite favorable for the storm to do this without impediments *or* (aha!) the system is so strong that it has created its own micro-environment that favors a maintenance of strength?
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