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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#2461 Postby Ntxw » Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:22 am

snowballzzz wrote:What is the difference in this upcoming potential winter weather event and the storm of December 2013? Didn't the models lose track of that, just like what we are experiencing now? What is the main difference?


Similar but a few weeks later and likely colder. Storm is there but the trajectory like is not the same
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#2462 Postby Tireman4 » Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:46 am

FXUS64 KHGX 181045
AFDHGX

Area Forecast Discussion
National Weather Service Houston/Galveston TX
445 AM CST Mon Dec 18 2017



A stronger cold front, and associated precip in advance of the
windshift, should push thru southeast Texas during the day
Friday. There remains some fairly significant differences in
opinion between models as to this fronts strength in regards to
temps in its wake. Some, like the ECMWF even bring a warm front
quickly back through se Tx late Saturday. Instead of chasing run-
to-run guesses this far out, the extended fcst (from Saturday and
beyond) was left essentially the same. The set up remains favorable
for a couple of reinforcing shots of colder temps making their
way into the region going into next week. But overall forecast
confidence in timing & specific details hasn`t improved much, and
probably won`t do so for at least a few more days. 47
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#2463 Postby Snowflake7 » Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:49 am

So ultimately we probably wont see snow in DFW? :(
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#2464 Postby CaptinCrunch » Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:58 am

Good morning, models continue to struggle with solutions for this coming weekend. Ensembles have been pretty good for Xmas but we are still a few more days away before short range high resolution models give us a better picture.

Sit tight and hold on, today's models are not the ones your are looking for. :ggreen:
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#2465 Postby gboudx » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:00 am

CaptinCrunch wrote:today's models are not the ones your are looking for. :ggreen:


I feel like your attempted Jedi mind trick will not work here. :)
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#2466 Postby srainhoutx » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:12 am

EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION
NWS WEATHER PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD
1102 AM EST MON DEC 18 2017

VALID 12Z THU DEC 21 2017 - 12Z MON DEC 25 2017

...ABOVE AVERAGE CONFIDENCE IN THE POTENTIAL FOR AN OUTBREAK OF
ARCTIC AIR ACROSS THE CENTRAL U.S. BY THE WEEKEND...


...OVERVIEW...

MODELS CONTINUE TO LOCK ON TO A SIGNIFICANT AMPLIFICATION OF THE
FLOW PATTERN THROUGH CHRISTMAS MORNING - RIDGE EXTENDING FROM THE
WEST COAST TO THE ARCTIC AND A MEAN TROUGH FROM THE HUDSON BAY
AREA TO THE DESERT SOUTHWEST/MEXICO. THIS SETUP WILL FAVOR COLD
AIR TO SURGE SOUTHWARD... WHICH WILL CREATE A SHARP THERMAL
GRADIENT ACROSS THE SOUTHERN TIER STATES AS WARM, MOIST AIR LIFTS
NORTHWARD (THANKS TO A STRENGTHENING SUB-TROPICAL RIDGE OFFSHORE
THE SOUTHEAST COAST). THIS BOUNDARY WILL MORE OR LESS REMAIN
ACROSS THE SOUTHERN PLAINS/GULF STATES THROUGH THE EXTENDED PERIOD
AND WILL ACT AS A FOCUS FOR WIDESPREAD PRECIPITATION... WITH
OCCASIONAL WINTER WEATHER NORTH OF THE BOUNDARY AND A LONG
DURATION RAIN ALONG AND SOUTH OF THE FRONT. BRIEF PERIODS OF
HEAVIER RAINFALL MAY BE POSSIBLE. SHORTWAVE ENERGY PASSING THROUGH
SOUTHERN CANADA AND THE NORTHERN U.S. WILL KEEP THE UPPER
MISSISSIPPI VALLEY TO THE NORTHEAST COLD AND SNOWY. NORTHWESTERLY
WINDS WILL LIKELY INDUCE LAKE ENHANCED SNOW FOR THE FAVORED
UPSLOPE REGIONS IN NEW YORK AND MAINE.


...GUIDANCE/PREDICTABILITY ASSESSMENT...

OVERALL THE DETERMINISTIC AND ENSEMBLE MEANS ARE IN STRONG
AGREEMENT THAT A LARGE SCALE CHANGE WILL OCCUR OVER THE NEXT
WEEK...ALTHOUGH DIFFERING IN REGARDS TO THE TIMING AND LOCATIONS
OF INDIVIDUAL SHORTWAVES. THE ECWMF AND THE GFS HAS CONTINUED TO
TREND FASTER WITH THE EASTWARD PROGRESSION OF THE TROUGH. THE CMC
WAS REMAINED SLOW WHICH APPEARED TO BE AN OUTLIER. GUIDANCE BEGAN
AS A BLEND OF THE 00Z ECWMF AND 06 GFS...AS THE TROUGH AMPLIFIES
THE DEGREE OF SPREAD AMONGST GUIDANCE WIDENED AS WELL. FOR
CHRISTMAS EVE AND CHRISTMAS THE BLEND HAD A HEAVIER WEIGHTING OF
THE 06Z ENSEMBLE MEAN AND LESSER WEIGHTING OF THE EC/GFS.

...WEATHER HIGHLIGHTS/THREATS...

A BAND OF SNOW IS FORECAST TO TRACK FROM THE CENTRAL PLAINS TO
THE NORTHEAST AS A LOW PRESSURE PASSING THROUGH. THE HIGHEST
ACCUMULATIONS ARE FAVORING THE UPPER MISSISSIPPI VALLEY/UPPER
GREAT LAKES. SNOW WILL ALSO BE POSSIBLE OVER NEW ENGLAND FRI/SAT
WHERE WARM ADVECTION WILL BE THE LIKELY MECHANISM. THERE REMAINS
SOME SPREAD OVER EXACTLY HOW STRONG THIS SYSTEM WILL BE, AND THUS
FOR PRECISE INTENSITY OF SNOW/WINDS.

THE AREA EXTENDING FROM LOWER MS/TN VALLEYS INTO THE SOUTHERN
APPALACHIANS HAS THE HIGHEST PROBABILITY OF SEEING THE HEAVIEST
RAINFALL DURING THE MEDIUM RANGE. THIS WILL BE FROM A COMBINATION
OF THE COLD FRONT CROSSING THE REGION LATER IN THE WEEK, AND THEN
WITH OVERRUNNING PRECIP NORTH OF THE FRONT THAT SHOULD SETTLE NEAR
THE GULF/CAROLINA COASTS BY THE WEEKEND.

THE CENTRAL U.S. WILL HAVE A SIGNIFICANT DROP IN TEMPERATURES
LATER IN THE WEEK. A VAST AREA WILL HAVE MAXIMUM TEMPERATURES
FALLING FROM 10-20 DEG F ABOVE NORMAL TO 20-30 DEG F BELOW NORMAL
BY NEXT WEEKEND. RELATIVE WARMTH OVER THE EAST WITH SOME ANOMALIES
EXCEEDING +10 DEG F SHOULD EXTEND THROUGH SAT BEFORE BEGINNING TO
FADE BY SUN-MON WITH FRONTAL PASSAGE.

CAMPBELL


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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#2467 Postby Portastorm » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:12 am

Snowflake7 wrote:So ultimately we probably wont see snow in DFW? :(


Nobody said that. The key takeaway is "no clear forecast yet for Christmas. Stay up on latest model runs and forecasts and realize we probably won't know for sure until 48 hours prior."
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#2468 Postby CaptinCrunch » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:13 am

With all the talk of Xmas storms and cold we are over looking a very nice rain event for NTX. DFW should see wide spread soaking rains starting later this afternoon and continuing through tomorrow. I expect a 1" + for much of the DFW metro area.

:rain:


Just to add something of thought, this rain event is perfect timing before a arctic cold snap. These soaking rains lower ground temperatures and absorb solar radiation, this contributes to cooler temperatures at the surface.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#2469 Postby TeamPlayersBlue » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:27 am

I blame this change on the MJO :cry:

Still excited for the cold.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#2470 Postby Portastorm » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:27 am

I'm laughing watching this 12z GFS op run roll out ... substantial differences from the 6z and 0z runs by 186 hours as the 12z has a stripe of upper level energy across Texas NE-to-SW with a developing upper low to our west. Sound familiar? :lol: :wink:

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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#2471 Postby iorange55 » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:41 am

Models are truly struggling with this front Christmas Eve. Temps in Amarillo in Oklahoma are SUPER cold, meanwhile North Texas stays in the upper 20s/low 30s, and then it seems to warm the temps up rather quickly.

It's obvious this huge pattern change is causing a lot of problems.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#2472 Postby JayDT » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:49 am

Portastorm wrote:I'm laughing watching this 12z GFS op run roll out ... substantial differences from the 6z and 0z runs by 186 hours as the 12z has a stripe of upper level energy across Texas NE-to-SW with a developing upper low to our west. Sound familiar? :lol: :wink:

http://i68.tinypic.com/30kslxu.jpg

http://i63.tinypic.com/34erf2p.jpg


I could swear that second pic looks so similar to what it was showing a few days ago....
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#2473 Postby ronyan » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:50 am

12z GFS has a 1057mb high in Wyoming. I strongly doubt the idea of a warm front washing back quickly. But looking at the euro the high is only ~1040mb so this may be what is allowing that to happen (although it probably still won't if it's that strength).
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#2474 Postby utweather » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:59 am

Snowflake7 wrote:So ultimately we probably wont see snow in DFW? :(


It will probably come when you least expect it. 24-48 hours advanced notice if your lucky.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#2475 Postby PTrackerLA » Mon Dec 18, 2017 12:11 pm

At least the 12z CMC and GFS are showing a cold Christmas for SE Texas and southern LA again, yesterday's runs had me concerned!
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#2476 Postby Brent » Mon Dec 18, 2017 12:11 pm

utweather wrote:
Snowflake7 wrote:So ultimately we probably wont see snow in DFW? :(


It will probably come when you least expect it. 24-48 hours advanced notice if your lucky.


yeah I mean when is snow ever really forecast well here :lol:

the GFS is laughable with the wild differences run to run
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#2477 Postby stormlover2013 » Mon Dec 18, 2017 12:14 pm

lol GFS is funny heck all these models are, but we been saying winter weather in texas you can't trust models till about 2 days before
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#2478 Postby Brent » Mon Dec 18, 2017 12:28 pm

Best shot right now looks to be some flurries Christmas Eve

The bigger storm near/after Christmas isnt consistent

the GEFS doesnt look as impressive today through Christmas anyway. Highest amounts east of us.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#2479 Postby CYCLONE MIKE » Mon Dec 18, 2017 12:32 pm

wxman57 wrote:6Z GFS has snow for me in Baton Rouge Christmas Eve. I'm sure it's correct.


I was a doubter til the end with our last snowstorm, had to see it falling from the sky to believe it. Gfs was last to catch on so maybe, just maybe it might be on to something again. Now if the NAM and other mesoscale models are showing it by the end of the week...

BTW we need to get together have and have a few drinks while youre here and out playing in all our fresh christmas snow. :D
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#2480 Postby Raider Power » Mon Dec 18, 2017 12:54 pm

I have been looking for as much info about this coming weekend in the Metroplex, as I am heading up there Friday for the UIL State Championship Football games at AT&T Stadium. A few days ago, was looking like it might be a bit dicey on the drive home Sunday, but that seems to be changing from some of the forecasts I have seen.

Hoping for great football and good weather to drive back to Houston in on Sunday.
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