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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#181 Postby CyclonicFury » Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:29 am

ConvergenceZone wrote:
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wxman57 wrote:Last month, I decided to look back through the best track data to the 1800s to count the number of short-lived storms (2 days or less). Most of them in the 1800s were only short-lived because they could not be detected unless they were passing land. You can see that the number of short-lived storms is steadily increasing, but not necessarily because there are more now than existed in the past. The reason is likely due to better detection techniques combined with changing qualifications for naming. Twenty-storm seasons may become more common in the future, mostly due to short-lived tropical storms or subtropical storms, but the numbers of hurricanes and major hurricanes won't change much.

http://wxman57.com/images/Short-Lived.JPG

This right here why we could see a high number of named storms but a much lower number of hurricanes or major hurricanes this year and in coming years.


I agree with both posts. I expect lots of depressions and storms. It will remain to be seen if we get many hurricanes the rest of the season. I think we will get a couple more hurricanes in September though. Conditions will probably be a bit better by then, before everything slowly winds down

Only a couple hurricanes in September? Why are you bearish on the entire season?
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#182 Postby toad strangler » Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:30 am

CyclonicFury wrote:
ConvergenceZone wrote:
TheStormExpert wrote:This right here why we could see a high number of named storms but a much lower number of hurricanes or major hurricanes this year and in coming years.


I agree with both posts. I expect lots of depressions and storms. It will remain to be seen if we get many hurricanes the rest of the season. I think we will get a couple more hurricanes in September though. Conditions will probably be a bit better by then, before everything slowly winds down

Only a couple hurricanes in September? Why are you bearish on the entire season?


That explanation made no sense to me. Anyway, have to hand it to 95L attaining cherry status in what was universally agreed upon as a lull until later in August.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#183 Postby EquusStorm » Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:36 am

Just a couple more hurricanes would leave the season eight short of the CSU forecast and three short of the lowest end NOAA forecast so I think I'm going to lean toward the experts on this one

Getting way off topic in this particular thread though
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#184 Postby ConvergenceZone » Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:36 am

CyclonicFury wrote:
ConvergenceZone wrote:
TheStormExpert wrote:This right here why we could see a high number of named storms but a much lower number of hurricanes or major hurricanes this year and in coming years.


I agree with both posts. I expect lots of depressions and storms. It will remain to be seen if we get many hurricanes the rest of the season. I think we will get a couple more hurricanes in September though. Conditions will probably be a bit better by then, before everything slowly winds down

Only a couple hurricanes in September? Why are you bearish on the entire season?


Not Bearish. I think there will be many storms and depressions...
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#185 Postby CyclonicFury » Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:36 am

ConvergenceZone wrote:
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I agree with both posts. I expect lots of depressions and storms. It will remain to be seen if we get many hurricanes the rest of the season. I think we will get a couple more hurricanes in September though. Conditions will probably be a bit better by then, before everything slowly winds down

Only a couple hurricanes in September? Why are you bearish on the entire season?


Not Bearish. I think there will be many storms and depressions...

But why not hurricanes or major hurricanes?
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#186 Postby AveryTheComrade » Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:38 am

plasticup wrote:
wxman57 wrote:Seriously, a depression? The bar is being lowered...

http://wxman57.com/images/95L.JPG


Gotta satisfy that "hyperactive" prediction! 2005 was like that too - every little wisp with some spin was given a name. There were 3-4 "Tropical Storms" that lasted <24 hours.


Not sure what reason the NHC would have to name non-TCs, I have yet to see a heinous classification this year, if anything they've been bearish on a lot of storms
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#187 Postby ConvergenceZone » Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:41 am

toad strangler wrote:
CyclonicFury wrote:
ConvergenceZone wrote:
I agree with both posts. I expect lots of depressions and storms. It will remain to be seen if we get many hurricanes the rest of the season. I think we will get a couple more hurricanes in September though. Conditions will probably be a bit better by then, before everything slowly winds down

Only a couple hurricanes in September? Why are you bearish on the entire season?


That explanation made no sense to me. Anyway, have to hand it to 95L attaining cherry status in what was universally agreed upon as a lull until later in August.


Well we’ve seen some seasons where it goes into late October. But we’ve also seen seasons where it just dies down after September. Even WXMAN mentioned, that in terms of hurricanes, he expects a normal amount, meaning not above average
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#188 Postby DestinHurricane » Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:50 am

ConvergenceZone wrote:
toad strangler wrote:
CyclonicFury wrote:Only a couple hurricanes in September? Why are you bearish on the entire season?


That explanation made no sense to me. Anyway, have to hand it to 95L attaining cherry status in what was universally agreed upon as a lull until later in August.


Well we’ve seen some seasons where it goes into late October. But we’ve also seen seasons where it just dies down after September. Even WXMAN mentioned, that in terms of hurricanes, he expects a normal amount, meaning not above average


I've said this all along. But why is there so much talk here about a hyperactive season? IMO activity is measured in Hurricanes and majors, not TSs. An 8/6/3 season is worse than a 24/4/2 season.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#189 Postby Kazmit » Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:56 am

DestinHurricane wrote:
ConvergenceZone wrote:
toad strangler wrote:
That explanation made no sense to me. Anyway, have to hand it to 95L attaining cherry status in what was universally agreed upon as a lull until later in August.


Well we’ve seen some seasons where it goes into late October. But we’ve also seen seasons where it just dies down after September. Even WXMAN mentioned, that in terms of hurricanes, he expects a normal amount, meaning not above average


I've said this all along. But why is there so much talk here about a hyperactive season? IMO activity is measured in Hurricanes and majors, not TSs. An 8/6/3 season is worse than a 24/4/2 season.

What do you mean? Every expert prediction is calling for above average hurricanes and majors as well as named storms.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#190 Postby ConvergenceZone » Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:58 am

DestinHurricane wrote:
I've said this all along. But why is there so much talk here about a hyperactive season? IMO activity is measured in Hurricanes and majors, not TSs. An 8/6/3 season is worse than a 24/4/2 season.


I think because the NHC was predicting a season quite a bit above normal. But hey, they have been wrong in the past, so we will see what happy
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#191 Postby shiny-pebble » Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:58 am

So much discourse about NHC's naming policy and why this shouldn't be named when the NHC hasn't even designated this a depression yet.....

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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#192 Postby HurricaneEnzo » Tue Aug 11, 2020 11:02 am

DestinHurricane wrote:
ConvergenceZone wrote:
toad strangler wrote:
That explanation made no sense to me. Anyway, have to hand it to 95L attaining cherry status in what was universally agreed upon as a lull until later in August.


Well we’ve seen some seasons where it goes into late October. But we’ve also seen seasons where it just dies down after September. Even WXMAN mentioned, that in terms of hurricanes, he expects a normal amount, meaning not above average


I've said this all along. But why is there so much talk here about a hyperactive season? IMO activity is measured in Hurricanes and majors, not TSs. An 8/6/3 season is worse than a 24/4/2 season.


Depends on what your standard is really... Number of storms, ACE, number of Hurricanes, amount of damage done by the storms. Everyone has a different opinion there is no 'perfect' way to judge a season. Generally it goes by number of storms though. But this is a discussion for another thread really.

95L still isn't looking too hot. Looks like it will have to find a 'goldilocks' zone soon if it wants to do anything. Still not writing it off.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#193 Postby wxman57 » Tue Aug 11, 2020 11:09 am

Kazmit wrote:
DestinHurricane wrote:
ConvergenceZone wrote:
Well we’ve seen some seasons where it goes into late October. But we’ve also seen seasons where it just dies down after September. Even WXMAN mentioned, that in terms of hurricanes, he expects a normal amount, meaning not above average


I've said this all along. But why is there so much talk here about a hyperactive season? IMO activity is measured in Hurricanes and majors, not TSs. An 8/6/3 season is worse than a 24/4/2 season.

What do you mean? Every expert prediction is calling for above average hurricanes and majors as well as named storms.


We were predicting a very active season in 2013, too, and not one major hurricane developed. It was quite a dud season. I would have thought that the MDR would be less hostile by now, and that waves would be making it across the Caribbean to develop in the NW Caribbean.

I remember many past seasons when it seems like there just won't be any storms developing in early August. Then, all of a sudden, activity explodes. We may see 1-3 named storms the last half of August and 6-8 in September. More sprinkled around in Oct & Nov. With predicted lower-than-average pressure in the tropics, we should see a good bit of activity. Perhaps a good bit of activity may be in the subtropics this season, with systems grazing or missing the NE Caribbean and turning out to sea (like 1995). Time will tell.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#194 Postby toad strangler » Tue Aug 11, 2020 11:15 am

DestinHurricane wrote:
ConvergenceZone wrote:
toad strangler wrote:
That explanation made no sense to me. Anyway, have to hand it to 95L attaining cherry status in what was universally agreed upon as a lull until later in August.


Well we’ve seen some seasons where it goes into late October. But we’ve also seen seasons where it just dies down after September. Even WXMAN mentioned, that in terms of hurricanes, he expects a normal amount, meaning not above average


IMO activity is measured in Hurricanes and majors, not TSs.


Your opinion would be discounted in every corner of the weather world. Not considering TS's as activity is probably a top 5 :spam: post I've seen here this year so far. No offense of course.
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#195 Postby HuracanMaster » Tue Aug 11, 2020 11:17 am

EquusStorm wrote:Just a couple more hurricanes would leave the season eight short of the CSU forecast and three short of the lowest end NOAA forecast so I think I'm going to lean toward the experts on this one

Getting way off topic in this particular thread though
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#196 Postby Hurricaneman » Tue Aug 11, 2020 11:25 am

On topic: it seems as though convection is firing around the Vort max, might have a chance tomorrow if it can retain
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#197 Postby wxman57 » Tue Aug 11, 2020 11:32 am

Hurricaneman wrote:On topic: it seems as though convection is firing around the Vort max, might have a chance tomorrow if it can retain


It's still west of the little swirl. That swirl is now moving due north. DuPage has a 1-min satellite image trained on it:

https://weather.cod.edu/satrad/?parms=meso-meso2-02-96-0-100-1&checked=map&colorbar=undefined
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#198 Postby EquusStorm » Tue Aug 11, 2020 11:35 am

I mean I'm down for a subtropics-heavy 1995 repeat if Luis and Marilyn stay NE of the Antilles and Opal doesn't murder the Gulf coast. Opal sucked
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#199 Postby StPeteMike » Tue Aug 11, 2020 11:38 am

I don’t know if the LLC is moving north or is slowly dying and falling apart. Can’t rule out a new LLC forming under the convection if that’s the case.
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