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Re: ATL: BETA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#441 Postby nutkin517 » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:24 pm

Can we please get a break with the flooding in SETX? Harvey in 2017 and Imelda last year was enough. I don't think I can go through all of that again. During Harvey, I did not sleep at all for a whole week because it rained the hardest at night. It sounded like someone was dumping a gigantic bucket of water on my roof continuously. It was the loudest and heaviest rain I had ever seen until Imelda. Luckily, that only lasted one night though.
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Re: ATL: BETA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#442 Postby Aric Dunn » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:24 pm

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Aric Dunn wrote:all the recon data suggest something will likely reform or the center getting pulled to the NE..


Can you explain? I always like your input and I see the two lower pressure areas but the southern one actually has a wind direction change to me that would be the stronger one wouldn't it?


there are multiple wind maximum well away from the center fixes. this wind maximum also have curvature. they are also down shear and typically this type of set up leads to reformations.

the ridge is building in quickly so any furter reformations are unlikely after this one.

so now we wait to see how strong the ridge is and the orientation of the ridge.
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Re: ATL: BETA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#443 Postby ElectricStorm » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:25 pm

4mb drop between recon passes :double:
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Re: ATL: BETA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#444 Postby catskillfire51 » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:26 pm

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Aric Dunn wrote:all the recon data suggest something will likely reform or the center getting pulled to the NE..


Can you explain? I always like your input and I see the two lower pressure areas but the southern one actually has a wind direction change to me that would be the stronger one wouldn't it?


there are multiple wind maximum well away from the center fixes. this wind maximum also have curvature. they are also down shear and typically this type of set up leads to reformations.

the ridge is building in quickly so any furter reformations are unlikely after this one.

so now we wait to see how strong the ridge is and the orientation of the ridge.


So is that 996mb latest one the center or you think it will move further?
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Re: ATL: BETA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#445 Postby Aric Dunn » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:28 pm

catskillfire51 wrote:
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catskillfire51 wrote:
Can you explain? I always like your input and I see the two lower pressure areas but the southern one actually has a wind direction change to me that would be the stronger one wouldn't it?


there are multiple wind maximum well away from the center fixes. this wind maximum also have curvature. they are also down shear and typically this type of set up leads to reformations.

the ridge is building in quickly so any furter reformations are unlikely after this one.

so now we wait to see how strong the ridge is and the orientation of the ridge.


So is that 996mb latest one the center or you think it will move further?


from the varrying wind directions. the circ is pretty elongated with a distinct wind maximum to the NE... another reformation is possible.
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Re: ATL: BETA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#446 Postby setxweathergal64 » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:31 pm

nutkin517 wrote:Can we please get a break with the flooding in SETX? Harvey in 2017 and Imelda last year was enough. I don't think I can go through all of that again. During Harvey, I did not sleep at all for a whole week because it rained the hardest at night. It sounded like someone was dumping a gigantic bucket of water on my roof continuously. It was the loudest and heaviest rain I had ever seen until Imelda. Luckily, that only lasted one night though.

I'm in bmt..and our locals seem to think this will not be a Harvey.
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Re: ATL: BETA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#447 Postby hurricanehunter69 » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:42 pm

The storm is definitely tilted. We can almost track the mid level vort from long range radar out of NOLA. As always, if and when this thing stacks....look out. https://weather.cod.edu/satrad/?parms=s ... =undefined
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Re: ATL: BETA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#448 Postby tropicwatch » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:43 pm

Not seeing any signs of the front flattening out yet and Beta seems to be moving with it.
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Re: ATL: BETA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#449 Postby Dean4Storms » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:44 pm

Ok, where’s the west turn and why do I have the feeling this storm might defy the models like Sally just a few days out? :idea:
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#450 Postby Aric Dunn » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:48 pm

panamatropicwatch wrote:Not seeing any signs of the front flattening out yet and Beta seems to be moving with it.


that wont be for several days... not until after it apprioches the texas coast.

the ridging comes first.
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Re: ATL: BETA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#451 Postby aspen » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:49 pm

Beta’s odds of becoming a hurricane have both increased and decreased. On one hand, it has strengthened far more than expected. On the other hand, this center shift could make it go right into Louisiana and not even stall in the Gulf, despite models forecasting for DAYS for that to happen.
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Re: ATL: BETA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#452 Postby ElectricStorm » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:50 pm

Dean4Storms wrote:Ok, where’s the west turn and why do I have the feeling this storm might defy the models like Sally just a few days out? :idea:

Doesn't look like it's turning any time soon but should tomorrow. I'm not liking the fact that it's likely already up to 60mph. Wasn't supposed to hit that for 36 hours. :eek:
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Re: ATL: BETA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#453 Postby hurricanehunter69 » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:51 pm

If it keeps moving NNE, we're talkin tropical storm into the north gulf coast. If the Beta blocker puts on the brakes, we're talkin about a stacked hurricane sitting under a ridge of high pressure that only significant amounts of dry/cool air could stop it from going major?
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Re: ATL: BETA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#454 Postby nutkin517 » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:58 pm

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nutkin517 wrote:Can we please get a break with the flooding in SETX? Harvey in 2017 and Imelda last year was enough. I don't think I can go through all of that again. During Harvey, I did not sleep at all for a whole week because it rained the hardest at night. It sounded like someone was dumping a gigantic bucket of water on my roof continuously. It was the loudest and heaviest rain I had ever seen until Imelda. Luckily, that only lasted one night though.

I'm in bmt..and our locals seem to think this will not be a Harvey.



I’m in Beaumont too and I don’t trust the locals. They didn’t think Harvey was going to be “Harvey” either.
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Re: ATL: BETA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#455 Postby edu2703 » Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:01 pm

Forecast peak at 70 kts
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Re: ATL: BETA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#456 Postby SoupBone » Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:01 pm

aspen wrote:Beta’s odds of becoming a hurricane have both increased and decreased. On one hand, it has strengthened far more than expected. On the other hand, this center shift could make it go right into Louisiana and not even stall in the Gulf, despite models forecasting for DAYS for that to happen.


It doesn't have a choice. When the ridge builds it, it puts on the brakes. It can't plow through a ridge.
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Re: ATL: BETA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#457 Postby ElectricStorm » Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:03 pm

NHC still sticking with it hooking west. Peak upped to 80mph. This thing is about to dump a ton of rain on the areas affected by Harvey and Imelda. Stay safe to all who are in the path of this mean Greek.
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Re: ATL: BETA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#458 Postby setxweathergal64 » Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:04 pm

nutkin517 wrote:
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nutkin517 wrote:Can we please get a break with the flooding in SETX? Harvey in 2017 and Imelda last year was enough. I don't think I can go through all of that again. During Harvey, I did not sleep at all for a whole week because it rained the hardest at night. It sounded like someone was dumping a gigantic bucket of water on my roof continuously. It was the loudest and heaviest rain I had ever seen until Imelda. Luckily, that only lasted one night though.

I'm in bmt..and our locals seem to think this will not be a Harvey.



I’m in Beaumont too and I don’t trust the locals. They didn’t think Harvey was going to be “Harvey” either.

Yeah, not a lot of people did. I have a graphic of a map with some high predictions that was forecasted.
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Re: ATL: BETA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#459 Postby aspen » Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:06 pm

Weather Dude wrote:NHC still sticking with it hooking west. Peak upped to 80mph.
https://i.imgur.com/IFr6cvt.png

I really don’t like how long the NHC has it be a hurricane and stall over 29-30C waters. Yes, dry air will be present, but low shear once the trough moves out means it won’t be shoved into the core that hard, and there is a chance the core could retain a nice moisture pocket. If such a pocket forms, we might have to watch out for another Sally-like surprise.

And then there’s the fact that Beta seemingly wants to tour the landfall points of Hanna, Laura, and potentially Sally. What a jerk.
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Re: ATL: BETA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#460 Postby jaguars_22 » Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:08 pm

If I’m in Victoria is it too early to tell if I will get any impacts? Since it relocated further NE
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