Partial Birth Abortion Ban Signed into Law today!

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Partial Birth Abortion Ban Signed into Law today!

#1 Postby j » Thu Nov 06, 2003 8:12 am

Am e-mail to me (and millions of Americans) from Jennifer Bingham, Executive Director Susan B. Anthony List:

Unrestricted abortion is no longer legal in the United States of America! President Bush signed into law the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act today - the first law to restrict abortion in thirty years!

Today is a day of celebration for life! Six babies a day will be saved from this barbaric and dangerous procedure - not to mention the mothers who would have been subject to this brutality.

And now the doctors who perform this infanticide will now legally be held accountable for performing this horrific procedure.


Thank President Bush for his leadership
We ask you to join us in this incredible celebration! Please take a moment to contact President Bush thanking him for signing into law this ban.

Click here to send a letter to President Bush thanking him for supporting the ban on Partial-Birth Abortion.
http://www.sba-list.org/pbathankyou.cfm

Please ask your friends, colleagues and relatives to thank the President as well.


Thank you for your continued support
Thank you for your continued efforts to see this legislation enacted into law!

Your efforts, along with other supporters across the country, resulted in nearly 204,000 letters and petitions being sent to Congress on this critical issue in the last three years. And believe me, your efforts helped to get this bill signed into law. For that I thank you.


The Other Side has filed Suit to STOP the Partial Birth Abortion Ban from becoming the Law of the Land
But unfortunately, this fight is far from over.

The pro-abortion forces have already begun to gather resources to fight this bill all the way to the Supreme Court.


Planned Parenthood
Planned Parenthood, the largest abortion provider in the country, Friday, October 31st, filed an injunction and temporary restraining order against the bill in an attempt to block its passage.

PPFA President Gloria Feldt said:

"This dangerous ban prevents women, in consultation with their families and doctors, from making decisions about their own health. We hope the court will recognize the unconstitutionality of this ban and strike it down."
Click here to view more about how Planned Parenthood plans to stop the ban on Partial-Birth Abortion.
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/about/ ... wsuit.html
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#2 Postby stormchazer » Thu Nov 06, 2003 8:13 am

No amount of blood on their hands is enough!
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#3 Postby Lindaloo » Thu Nov 06, 2003 9:47 am

There is already a Federal judge that has deemed this unconstitutional. The ACLU has come onboard to take this to the Supreme Court to be overturned. The ACLU is evil and needs to be disbanned for the sake of all Americans!

Also heard that the ACLU is now attacking Christmas. If they are not stopped then any mention of God or prayer will get you thrown in Federal prison.
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#4 Postby stormy » Thu Nov 06, 2003 10:29 am

well the aclu can kiss my royal bootie. this is so sad that we have tried to take God out of everything. next they will tell us how many breaths to take a day. now christmas, my favorite time of year. they have to be stopped. well let them put me in jail, this is what r great country was born on freedom of religion, and other things. so dad. j. i e-mail the pres, thanks for the link.
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#5 Postby azsnowman » Thu Nov 06, 2003 10:31 am

The ACLU IMHO "IS" the Anti Christ! I swear......ONE of these days, these people are gonna have to answer for their actions! "THANKS" for the links j.......I've done sent my Thanks to the prez!

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#6 Postby opera ghost » Thu Nov 06, 2003 10:44 am

There is no provision for women for whom this procedure could decrease THIER risks.

I hope it is overturned and sent directly back to the boards. Not because it's a ban on some abortions (although I think that's a shame- as many know) but strictly because it doesn't take the possible safety advantages to certain women into consideration.

The saddest part of this law for me isn't that those 6 mothers have had thier choice taken away from them- it's the handful of mothers who would have had a better chance medically if given this option. For that reason and that reaason ALONE this law should go back to the drawing boards. It disturbs me to see restrictions on abortion- but I would NOT be so against a law that took the mother into consideration- I'd probably just shake my head and move on.

In a situation where one must die to save the other, or even to give the other a better chance of survival- the mother or the unborn child... I favor the mother, personally.
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#7 Postby Stephanie » Thu Nov 06, 2003 11:01 am

opera ghost wrote:There is no provision for women for whom this procedure could decrease THIER risks.

I hope it is overturned and sent directly back to the boards. Not because it's a ban on some abortions (although I think that's a shame- as many know) but strictly because it doesn't take the possible safety advantages to certain women into consideration.

The saddest part of this law for me isn't that those 6 mothers have had thier choice taken away from them- it's the handful of mothers who would have had a better chance medically if given this option. For that reason and that reaason ALONE this law should go back to the drawing boards. It disturbs me to see restrictions on abortion- but I would NOT be so against a law that took the mother into consideration- I'd probably just shake my head and move on.

In a situation where one must die to save the other, or even to give the other a better chance of survival- the mother or the unborn child... I favor the mother, personally.


I agree with that Opera.
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#8 Postby j » Thu Nov 06, 2003 11:03 am

WITH ALL DUE RESPECT OPERA.....I hope this is the beginning of the end for the killing of babies in this Country. It may take a while, but Roe V Wade will be a nothing more than a sad reminder one day, of the way things used to be.
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#9 Postby Stephanie » Thu Nov 06, 2003 11:04 am

j wrote:WITH ALL DUE RESPECT OPERA.....I hope this is the beginning of the end for the killing of babies in this Country. It may take a while, but Roe V Wade will be a nothing more than a sad reminder one day, of the way things used to be.


Yeah, coat hangers and back alleys.

Postscript - I totally misread this. I thought it said "we'll go back to the way things used to be". My mistake.
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#10 Postby opera ghost » Thu Nov 06, 2003 11:26 am

With all due respect J- you and I are clearly an ocean apart on our views and will probably remain so for the rest of our lives. :)
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#11 Postby sunnyday » Thu Nov 06, 2003 5:03 pm

J,
I can't begin to say how ecstatic I would be if Roe vs. Wade was tossed aside. I can't even begin to imagine how a woman could murder her own innocent baby!!!!!!!!!
As for the doctors who do the abortions, doesn't the Hippocratic Oath say,"First do no harm."
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#12 Postby GalvestonDuck » Thu Nov 06, 2003 5:11 pm

sunnyday wrote:J,
I can't begin to say how ecstatic I would be if Roe vs. Wade was tossed aside. I can't even begin to imagine how a woman could murder her own innocent baby!!!!!!!!!
As for the doctors who do the abortions, doesn't the Hippocratic Oath say,"First do no harm."


Read deeper. It says alot more than that. :)

I swear by Apollo the physician, by Æsculapius, Hygeia, and Panacea, and I take to witness all the gods, all the goddesses, to keep according to my ability and my judgement, the following Oath.

"To consider dear to me as my parents him who taught me this art; to live in common with him and if necessary to share my goods with him; to look upon his children as my own brothers, to teach them this art if they so desire without fee or written promise; to impart to my sons and the sons of the master who taught me and the disciples who have enrolled themselves and have agreed to the rules of the profession, but to these alone the precepts and the instruction. I will prescribe regimen for the good of my patients according to my ability and my judgement and never do harm to anyone. To please no one will I prescribe a deadly drug nor give advice which may cause his death. Nor will I give a woman a pessary to procure abortion. But I will preserve the purity of my life and my art. I will not cut for stone, even for patients in whom the disease is manifest; I will leave this operation to be performed by practitioners, specialists in this art. In every house where I come I will enter only for the good of my patients, keeping myself far from all intentional ill-doing and all seduction and especially from the pleasures of love with women or with men, be they free or slaves. All that may come to my knowledge in the exercise of my profession or in daily commerce with men, which ought not to be spread abroad, I will keep secret and will never reveal. If I keep this oath faithfully, may I enjoy my life and practice my art, respected by all men and in all times; but if I swerve from it or violate it, may the reverse be my lot."
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#13 Postby opera ghost » Thu Nov 06, 2003 5:20 pm

Hippocratic Oath -- Modern Version

I swear to fulfill, to the best of my ability and judgment, this covenant:

I will respect the hard-won scientific gains of those physicians in whose steps I walk, and gladly share such knowledge as is mine with those who are to follow.

I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures which are required, avoiding those twin traps of overtreatment and therapeutic nihilism.

I will remember that there is art to medicine as well as science, and that warmth, sympathy, and understanding may outweigh the surgeon's knife or the chemist's drug.

I will not be ashamed to say "I know not," nor will I fail to call in my colleagues when the skills of another are needed for a patient's recovery.

I will respect the privacy of my patients, for their problems are not disclosed to me that the world may know. Most especially must I tread with care in matters of life and death. If it is given me to save a life, all thanks. But it may also be within my power to take a life; this awesome responsibility must be faced with great humbleness and awareness of my own frailty. Above all, I must not play at God.

I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person's family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick.

I will prevent disease whenever I can, for prevention is preferable to cure.

I will remember that I remain a member of society, with special obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm.

If I do not violate this oath, may I enjoy life and art, respected while I live and remembered with affection thereafter. May I always act so as to preserve the finest traditions of my calling and may I long experience the joy of healing those who seek my help.


Written in 1964 by Louis Lasagna, Academic Dean of the School of Medicine at Tufts University, and used in many medical schools today.

taken from NOVA online at http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/doctors/oath_modern.html which also includes a link to the classical form- of which my friend duck has posted one version... and this site has another translation (remember these things weren't writte in English!)

The modern version is the one that most doctors deal with upon completion of medical school- not the classical one.
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#14 Postby GalvestonDuck » Thu Nov 06, 2003 5:40 pm

http://www.geocities.com/everwild7/noharm.html

It should be noted that not all physicians take the Hippocratic Oath when they enter practice. Depending on where they earn their medical degrees, they may take an oath or pledge other than one of the several forms of the Hippocratic Oath.

The exact wording of the original oath has long been subject to dispute, as translations and interpretations of the original Greek have varied. Complicating the picture are the many "modernizations" of the oath which take into account changes in language, social mores, and medicine itself over the centuries.


Good points. Sort of like how there are so many translations of the Bible and certain words and phrases get altered a bit and, sadly, their meaning gets lost in translation and by a reader's interpretation.
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