ATL: FRED - Post-Tropical - Discussion

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Re: ATL: FRED - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#901 Postby InfernoFlameCat » Wed Aug 11, 2021 9:14 am

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beoumont wrote:Kind of looks like Fred the duck or do-do bird
[url]https://i.postimg.cc/j28yfPVF/duck.jpg [/url]

Very much reminds me of Elsa with the structure and location. Has that massive blob trailing the partially exposed center.

This is Elsa’s little brother Fred.
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Re: ATL: FRED - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#902 Postby Hypercane_Kyle » Wed Aug 11, 2021 9:16 am

Fred really hurt its chances last night by not gaining any latitude and going due west.

A direct trek over most of Hispaniola is a certainty. I'd be surprised if it managed to be a tropical cyclone on the other side.

Regeneration in the Gulf appears probable.
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Re: ATL: FRED - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#903 Postby Category5Kaiju » Wed Aug 11, 2021 9:17 am

InfernoFlameCat wrote:
beoumont wrote:Kind of looks like Fred the duck or do-do bird
[url]https://i.postimg.cc/j28yfPVF/duck.jpg [/url]

Very much reminds me of Elsa with the structure and location. Has that massive blob trailing the partially exposed center.


Also a bit of Matthew, Laura, and Isaias; the dual blob society!
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Re: ATL: FRED - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#904 Postby MGC » Wed Aug 11, 2021 9:21 am

Fred is gonna be dead soon....once his low level circulation hits them mountains. I expect a new center to form system moves away from Hispaniola. Could have track implications depending on where center reforms.....MGC
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Re: ATL: FRED - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#905 Postby InfernoFlameCat » Wed Aug 11, 2021 9:22 am

Fred recently has really wrapped convection around the center. It’s doing what Elsa could not in the GA
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Re: ATL: FRED - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#906 Postby AutoPenalti » Wed Aug 11, 2021 9:22 am

MGC wrote:Fred is gonna be dead soon....once his low level circulation hits them mountains. I expect a new center to form system moves away from Hispaniola. Could have track implications depending on where center reforms.....MGC

The LLC has been barely hanging on since the start, as long as the MLC is robust and keeps firing convection as it slows down past the mountains, it should redevelop an LLC fairly quickly.
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Re: ATL: FRED - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#907 Postby InfernoFlameCat » Wed Aug 11, 2021 9:23 am

MGC wrote:Fred is gonna be dead soon....once his low level circulation hits them mountains. I expect a new center to form system moves away from Hispaniola. Could have track implications depending on where center reforms.....MGC

Nah he gonna be on life support after that island wreck but he will pull through. Yeah the llc will most likely collapse or decouple.
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Re: ATL: FRED - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#908 Postby BobHarlem » Wed Aug 11, 2021 9:25 am

InfernoFlameCat wrote:
MGC wrote:Fred is gonna be dead soon....once his low level circulation hits them mountains. I expect a new center to form system moves away from Hispaniola. Could have track implications depending on where center reforms.....MGC

Nah he gonna be on life support after that island wreck but he will pull through. Yeah the llc will most likely collapse or decouple.


How sure are we that it's actually going to wreck? if the MLC Were aligned I'd probably agree right out, but I do think there's a chance it gets tugged some wsw.
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Re: ATL: FRED - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#909 Postby tolakram » Wed Aug 11, 2021 9:30 am

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Re: ATL: FRED - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#910 Postby wxman57 » Wed Aug 11, 2021 9:34 am

One thing the models agree with is the big picture across the Gulf Sun/Mon. Upper low near SE TX and upper High east of SE FL. Between the two, SW winds aloft 25-30 kts over the top of Fred as it moves up the eastern Gulf. Not a recipe for a strong storm. Shear increases as it nears landfall. Lots of dry air to its west, too.
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Re: ATL: FRED - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#911 Postby SFLcane » Wed Aug 11, 2021 9:43 am

wxman57 wrote:One thing the models agree with is the big picture across the Gulf Sun/Mon. Upper low near SE TX and upper High east of SE FL. Between the two, SW winds aloft 25-30 kts over the top of Fred as it moves up the eastern Gulf. Not a recipe for a strong storm. Shear increases as it nears landfall. Lots of dry air to its west, too.


Clearing the path for what is a worrisome 95L.
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Re: ATL: FRED - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#912 Postby wxman57 » Wed Aug 11, 2021 9:56 am

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wxman57 wrote:One thing the models agree with is the big picture across the Gulf Sun/Mon. Upper low near SE TX and upper High east of SE FL. Between the two, SW winds aloft 25-30 kts over the top of Fred as it moves up the eastern Gulf. Not a recipe for a strong storm. Shear increases as it nears landfall. Lots of dry air to its west, too.


Clearing the path for what is a worrisome 95L.


I'm not worried one bit about 95L. But then, I'm in Houston... Even if I was where you live, I wouldn't be too concerned about it.
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Re: ATL: FRED - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#913 Postby ElectricStorm » Wed Aug 11, 2021 10:04 am

Another thing to consider is that if it keeps going south of track, it'll have a nice long track over Cuba and then it'll REALLY struggle to get going again. The only place that looks good for reintensification is the gulf. Hopefully it won't have enough time to get strong.
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Re: ATL: FRED - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#914 Postby aspen » Wed Aug 11, 2021 10:05 am

NHC still expects this to survive Hispaniola and eventually intensify once again within the Gulf, due to an upper level anticyclone lowering shear after the 48-60 hour range.
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Re: ATL: FRED - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#915 Postby toad strangler » Wed Aug 11, 2021 10:08 am

wxman57 wrote:
SFLcane wrote:
wxman57 wrote:One thing the models agree with is the big picture across the Gulf Sun/Mon. Upper low near SE TX and upper High east of SE FL. Between the two, SW winds aloft 25-30 kts over the top of Fred as it moves up the eastern Gulf. Not a recipe for a strong storm. Shear increases as it nears landfall. Lots of dry air to its west, too.


Clearing the path for what is a worrisome 95L.


I'm not worried one bit about 95L. But then, I'm in Houston... Even if I was where you live, I wouldn't be too concerned about it.


hmmm
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Re: ATL: FRED - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#916 Postby SFLcane » Wed Aug 11, 2021 10:11 am

wxman57 wrote:
SFLcane wrote:
wxman57 wrote:One thing the models agree with is the big picture across the Gulf Sun/Mon. Upper low near SE TX and upper High east of SE FL. Between the two, SW winds aloft 25-30 kts over the top of Fred as it moves up the eastern Gulf. Not a recipe for a strong storm. Shear increases as it nears landfall. Lots of dry air to its west, too.


Clearing the path for what is a worrisome 95L.


I'm not worried one bit about 95L. But then, I'm in Houston... Even if I was where you live, I wouldn't be too concerned about it.


Care to explain why? Will be under favorable conditions and driven west by high pressure. Have you seen the European ensemble guidance? Either way back to Fred.
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Re: ATL: FRED - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#917 Postby gatorcane » Wed Aug 11, 2021 10:24 am

Stepping back and looking at the big picture, Fred is so tiny you can barely make him out. With the convection firing off to the north over the Atlantic, really just looks like a strong wave axis with an embedded low. No concern from me on Fred still, just a typical weak storm / wave which can be expected this time of year. Rain chances increase for Florida for the weekend.

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Re: ATL: FRED - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#918 Postby captainbarbossa19 » Wed Aug 11, 2021 10:28 am

tolakram wrote:saved loop
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It's hard to tell, but it sure looks like the convection is still moving west. It may have a slight north component to it now. Also, I think it is outside of the cone from last night now. If not, it is really close.
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Re: ATL: FRED - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#919 Postby AlphaToOmega » Wed Aug 11, 2021 10:28 am

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Re: ATL: FRED - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#920 Postby Shell Mound » Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:07 am

I think the mountains of Hispaniola and eastern Cuba should be sufficient to destroy the relatively weak mid-level circulation and thus cripple future chances.
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