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Re: ATL: INVEST 91L - Discussion

#121 Postby wxman57 » Thu Jun 02, 2022 7:53 am

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wxman57 wrote:I'm surprised the NHC hasn't started PTC advisories yet, since squalls with possible TS winds may reach the keys tomorrow afternoon. Should be a TS watch out (or a warning).

Based on the 8am TWO, this will probably get labeled as PTC-1 sometime today. They said advisories might be needed later in the day, so they’ll most likely start PTC advisories at 5pm instead of 11am.


Also, they may wait for the recon data this afternoon.


Recon doesn't matter much if we're talking a PTC and not a TD as the criterion for issuing PTC advisories. I don't expect recon to find anything but a very weak LLC that won't qualify as a depression today. However, the NHC criteria for issuing a PTC advisory is a high chance of development within 48 hours and a possible land threat within 48 hours. Both exist now.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 91L - Discussion

#122 Postby AdamFirst » Thu Jun 02, 2022 7:55 am

If the center goes north of South Florida that means more rain for South Florida. Already waterlogged communities in the southern peninsula are about to get plenty more, starting tomorrow.

Never discount any tropical event before it gets here. I have a feeling this will be a big nuisance come Saturday.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 91L - Discussion

#123 Postby cycloneye » Thu Jun 02, 2022 8:08 am

12z Best Track:

AL, 91, 2022060212, , BEST, 0, 210N, 871W, 30, 1003, DB

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Re: RE: Re: ATL: INVEST 91L - Discussion

#124 Postby Michele B » Thu Jun 02, 2022 8:25 am

skyline385 wrote:
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toad strangler wrote:
Some keep talking about S and E of FL as if’s a final call yet the cherry colored genesis area depicted by the NHC keeps moving that southern boundary North. lol love S2K
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I think most people dont mind getting hit by this, its just a sheared system bringing in rain. I would be very surprised if we get any sustained TS winds inland.


You are correct. We wouldn't mind....as long as it's only a rain event (and lower end) TS winds.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 91L - Discussion

#125 Postby Ian2401 » Thu Jun 02, 2022 8:26 am

AutoPenalti wrote:Window for intensification is starting to close. Shear likely to pick up again tonight into tomorrow.

Not sure there ever was a “window for intensification” - shear was always gonna keep the storm at low end TS/TD status. The storm will however benefit from finally decoupling from the Yucatan later today - which is where I expect the storm to be finally designated
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Re: ATL: INVEST 91L - Discussion

#126 Postby toad strangler » Thu Jun 02, 2022 8:33 am

Ian2401 wrote:
AutoPenalti wrote:Window for intensification is starting to close. Shear likely to pick up again tonight into tomorrow.

Not sure there ever was a “window for intensification” - shear was always gonna keep the storm at low end TS/TD status. The storm will however benefit from finally decoupling from the Yucatan later today - which is where I expect the storm to be finally designated


NHC has been saying that despite forecasted and expected strong upper level winds (shear) they expect a TD or a TS.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 91L - Discussion

#127 Postby jinftl » Thu Jun 02, 2022 8:35 am

Since the NHC is suggesting possible tropical storm watches/warnings later today, thinking those would be issued for parts of Cuba and south of Lake Okeechobee on both the southwest and southeast FL coast plus the Keys. In an abundance of caution.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 91L - Discussion

#128 Postby toad strangler » Thu Jun 02, 2022 8:40 am

Snippet from the latest NWS Melbourne disco ... http://forecast.weather.gov/product.php?site=MLB&issuedby=MLB&product=AFD&format=CI&version=1&glossary=1

Friday-Sunday...Uncertainty remains rather high in the mid term
with guidance persistently disagreeing on what`s going to happen
with an area of low pressure near the Yucatan Peninsula. The
aforementioned area of low pressure, associated with the remnants
of Hurricane Agatha is expected to interact with an upper level
trough located off the east coast of Florida over the next few
days.

The National Hurricane Center (NHC) continues to monitor this
area with a high chance for tropical development forecast within
48hrs. Many factors appear to be influencing the development of
the tropical system which would explain the higher uncertainty in
guidance. Furthermore, the track of the feature will be largely
dependent on how fast high pressure builds from the northwest, as
it`s expected to drop over the western Gulf of Mexico sometime
this weekend. The GFS remains the fastest and most southern
solution with the high quickly dropping into the GOM, in addition
to, a weaker subtropical ridge. Additionally, the ECMWF and NAM
are slower and farther north with the ECMWF remaining the most
consistent and what appears to be the most likely scenario
. A
stronger system would most likely lead to a farther northwestern
track, which is what the ECMWF has been hinting at for quite some
time with the disturbance tracking from southwestern Florida and
eventually reaching just south of Cape Canaveral before moving
offshore by the beginning of next week.

Regardless of the exact path that the storm system takes, rain
chances will begin to gradually increase on Friday from the south-
southwest and spread northward into the weekend with rainbands
expected to pivot over central Florida and the associated local
Atlantic waters through the weekend. High POPs will exists each
day through the weekend with numerous to widespread showers and
lightning storms. While it is too early to determine the exact
impacts from this system, gusty winds, heavy rainfall, flooding,
and frequent lightning strikes appear increasingly likely across
east- central Florida this weekend with the greatest chance for
heavy rainfall on Saturday. Expect highs generally around the low
to mid 80s across the Treasure Coast and the mid 80s to low 90s
elsewhere. Low temperatures are forecast to reach the low-to-mid
70s.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 91L - Discussion

#129 Postby jinftl » Thu Jun 02, 2022 8:59 am

NWS Miami forecasting lots of rain and wind gusts near tropical storm force for locations near the coast.

Friday Night
Showers and possibly a thunderstorm. Some of the storms could produce heavy rainfall. Low around 75. Windy, with a southeast wind 22 to 24 mph, with gusts as high as 32 mph. Chance of precipitation is 90%.


Saturday
Showers and possibly a thunderstorm before 2pm, then showers and thunderstorms between 2pm and 5pm, then showers and possibly a thunderstorm after 5pm. Some of the storms could produce heavy rainfall. High near 82. Windy, with a south wind 24 to 28 mph, with gusts as high as 38 mph. Chance of precipitation is 90%.


Saturday Night
Showers and thunderstorms before 11pm, then showers likely and possibly a thunderstorm between 11pm and 2am, then a chance of showers and thunderstorms after 2am. Low around 77. Windy, with a southwest wind 22 to 24 mph, with gusts as high as 34 mph. Chance of precipitation is 80%.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 91L - Discussion

#130 Postby SFLcane » Thu Jun 02, 2022 9:21 am

toad strangler wrote:Snippet from the latest NWS Melbourne disco ... http://forecast.weather.gov/product.php?site=MLB&issuedby=MLB&product=AFD&format=CI&version=1&glossary=1

Friday-Sunday...Uncertainty remains rather high in the mid term
with guidance persistently disagreeing on what`s going to happen
with an area of low pressure near the Yucatan Peninsula. The
aforementioned area of low pressure, associated with the remnants
of Hurricane Agatha is expected to interact with an upper level
trough located off the east coast of Florida over the next few
days.

The National Hurricane Center (NHC) continues to monitor this
area with a high chance for tropical development forecast within
48hrs. Many factors appear to be influencing the development of
the tropical system which would explain the higher uncertainty in
guidance. Furthermore, the track of the feature will be largely
dependent on how fast high pressure builds from the northwest, as
it`s expected to drop over the western Gulf of Mexico sometime
this weekend. The GFS remains the fastest and most southern
solution with the high quickly dropping into the GOM, in addition
to, a weaker subtropical ridge. Additionally, the ECMWF and NAM
are slower and farther north with the ECMWF remaining the most
consistent and what appears to be the most likely scenario
. A
stronger system would most likely lead to a farther northwestern
track, which is what the ECMWF has been hinting at for quite some
time with the disturbance tracking from southwestern Florida and
eventually reaching just south of Cape Canaveral before moving
offshore by the beginning of next week.

Regardless of the exact path that the storm system takes, rain
chances will begin to gradually increase on Friday from the south-
southwest and spread northward into the weekend with rainbands
expected to pivot over central Florida and the associated local
Atlantic waters through the weekend. High POPs will exists each
day through the weekend with numerous to widespread showers and
lightning storms. While it is too early to determine the exact
impacts from this system, gusty winds, heavy rainfall, flooding,
and frequent lightning strikes appear increasingly likely across
east- central Florida this weekend with the greatest chance for
heavy rainfall on Saturday. Expect highs generally around the low
to mid 80s across the Treasure Coast and the mid 80s to low 90s
elsewhere. Low temperatures are forecast to reach the low-to-mid
70s.


Good catch! Makes sense
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Re: ATL: INVEST 91L - Discussion

#131 Postby Sciencerocks » Thu Jun 02, 2022 9:30 am

Probably a upgrade later today
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Re: ATL: INVEST 91L - Discussion

#132 Postby wxman57 » Thu Jun 02, 2022 9:33 am

I think the EC is too far north, given the strong westerly wind shear. GFS looks more reasonable.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 91L - Discussion

#133 Postby Aric Dunn » Thu Jun 02, 2022 9:33 am

Two lobes/circs exist in the larger gyre. The Low that was over the BOC has swung SE as the Low that developed over the NW carrib late yesterday has moved to the NW.
As the southerly winds coming out of the channel increase and the northern vort moves offshore we will see convection build north of the Yucatan and that vort will deepen while the other dies over land. Track between Tampa and Naples is more likely given the setup.

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Re: ATL: INVEST 91L - Discussion

#134 Postby kevin » Thu Jun 02, 2022 10:23 am

Convection keeps building on IR:

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Re: ATL: INVEST 91L - Discussion

#135 Postby AutoPenalti » Thu Jun 02, 2022 10:25 am

kevin wrote:Convection keeps building on IR:

https://imgur.com/EXPEgi1

Usually occurs during DMIN so not too surprising.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 91L - Discussion

#136 Postby cycloneye » Thu Jun 02, 2022 10:53 am

South-Central Florida will get a lot of rain.

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ATL: INVEST 91L - Discussion

#137 Postby skyline385 » Thu Jun 02, 2022 10:58 am

May see a change in those precipitation values if the latest GFS verifies. Lots of moisture getting pushed NE.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 91L - Discussion

#138 Postby cycloneye » Thu Jun 02, 2022 11:04 am

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Re: ATL: INVEST 91L - Discussion

#139 Postby skyline385 » Thu Jun 02, 2022 11:12 am

Seeing 40 kts shear still but it's doing surprisingly well at the moment.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 91L - Discussion

#140 Postby tolakram » Thu Jun 02, 2022 11:18 am

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