ATL: EARL - Post-Tropical - Discussion

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Re: ATL: EARL - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#561 Postby Kingarabian » Mon Sep 05, 2022 10:25 am

It's crazy it's that strong despite the LLC being exposed every couple of hours.
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Re: ATL: EARL - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#562 Postby Buck » Mon Sep 05, 2022 11:27 am

Assuming he steers clear of Bermuda, would really love for the forecast of strengthening to the seasons first Major to come true. Would inject this season with some life.
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Re: ATL: EARL - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#563 Postby cheezyWXguy » Mon Sep 05, 2022 11:29 am

I suspect this may be the very beginning of the more significant strengthening phase. While earl is still sporting the anemic shrimp appearance, that latest convective burst is either right next to or over the center with temps as cold as -80C. If this burst can maintain and spread we could see a hurricane fairly soon.
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Re: ATL: EARL - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#564 Postby Emmett_Brown » Mon Sep 05, 2022 11:31 am

Looking like "winter storm Earl" at the moment
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Re: ATL: EARL - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#565 Postby aspen » Mon Sep 05, 2022 11:37 am

cheezyWXguy wrote:I suspect this may be the very beginning of the more significant strengthening phase. While earl is still sporting the anemic shrimp appearance, that latest convective burst is either right next to or over the center with temps as cold as -80C. If this burst can maintain and spread we could see a hurricane fairly soon.

AF308 just took off, so we’ll soon see if Earl is on the verge of becoming a hurricane.
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Re: ATL: EARL - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#566 Postby kevin » Mon Sep 05, 2022 11:53 am

Most of the early season underperformed, but Earl is the exact opposite so far. Most storms in these conditions would have dissipated or weakened significantly. But Earl, despite its at times exposed circulation and high shear seems to just continue intensifying. Now there's another burst of convection near the center. I wouldn't be surprised if recon finds Earl to be even stronger than earlier today.
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Re: ATL: EARL - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#567 Postby kevin » Mon Sep 05, 2022 12:25 pm

Latest from Earl:

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Re: ATL: EARL - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#568 Postby Teban54 » Mon Sep 05, 2022 12:32 pm

Kingarabian wrote:It's crazy it's that strong despite the LLC being exposed every couple of hours.

Reminds me of Paulette 2020 during its TS stage, when it strengthened to 50 kt when crossing a TUTT.
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Re: ATL: EARL - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#569 Postby InfernoFlameCat » Mon Sep 05, 2022 1:01 pm

Paulette with 50 knots of shear intensified. Earl is not in as unfavorable of an environment but it is still over performing.
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Re: ATL: EARL - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#570 Postby kevin » Mon Sep 05, 2022 1:14 pm

Looks like recon roughly found the center (only 5 kt peak FL winds and a sharp increase in the air temp. to almost 22C/72F), but unfortunately no additional wind or pressure data is loading on TropicalAtlantic. They weren't able to find such a clear windless center on the previous recon flight though, which seems to indicate an increase in storm organization.
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Re: ATL: EARL - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#571 Postby aspen » Mon Sep 05, 2022 1:15 pm

Recon is in Earl but the barometer isn’t working. Meanwhile, the Kay flight hasn’t reported back in over an hour. Great day for recon lol
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Re: ATL: EARL - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#572 Postby NXStumpy_Robothing » Mon Sep 05, 2022 1:17 pm

aspen wrote:Recon is in Earl but the barometer isn’t working. Meanwhile, the Kay flight hasn’t reported back in over an hour. Great day for recon lol

Looks like those 2020 comparisons are starting to hold some water ;)

Hopefully the plane manages to get more than sporadic transmissions of extrapolated SLP and SFMRs working; really interested to see if Earl has strengthened more from earlier, given the persistent bursting of convection overtop the LLC.
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Re: ATL: EARL - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#573 Postby kevin » Mon Sep 05, 2022 1:21 pm

Clear center pass at 21.9N/65.2W, roughly half a degree of latitude higher than the current NHC position.

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Re: ATL: EARL - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#574 Postby aspen » Mon Sep 05, 2022 1:27 pm

Looks like recon data from AF308 is delayed again. The amount of communication delays over the last few days is getting a little ridiculous.
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Re: ATL: EARL - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#575 Postby Kingarabian » Mon Sep 05, 2022 1:28 pm

aspen wrote:Looks like recon data from AF308 is delayed again. The amount of communication delays over the last few days is getting a little ridiculous.

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Re: ATL: EARL - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#576 Postby cheezyWXguy » Mon Sep 05, 2022 1:33 pm

kevin wrote:Clear center pass at 21.9N/65.2W, roughly half a degree of latitude higher than the current NHC position.

https://i.imgur.com/rOQrI0y.png

Center may be getting pulled under the convection a bit. Honestly it’s a little more tucked in than I thought
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Re: ATL: EARL - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#577 Postby aspen » Mon Sep 05, 2022 1:38 pm

Kingarabian wrote:
aspen wrote:Looks like recon data from AF308 is delayed again. The amount of communication delays over the last few days is getting a little ridiculous.

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True, (hopefully) nothing is going to top Eta. But two planes in two different storms having communication errors at the same time is ridiculous.

There’s also been a lot of model delays over the last few days. The HWRF, HMON, and HAFS have kept getting stuck at either 36-39 or 66-75 hours and then don’t update again for anywhere from 20-60 minutes.
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Re: ATL: EARL - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#578 Postby Hammy » Mon Sep 05, 2022 1:54 pm

cheezyWXguy wrote:
kevin wrote:Clear center pass at 21.9N/65.2W, roughly half a degree of latitude higher than the current NHC position.

https://i.imgur.com/rOQrI0y.png

Center may be getting pulled under the convection a bit. Honestly it’s a little more tucked in than I thought


I was surprised when I checked the low cloud motion this afternoon, the center looked exposed before looping it.

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Re: ATL: EARL - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#579 Postby Hurricane Mike » Mon Sep 05, 2022 2:00 pm

Earl is still feeling some shear. Once it lifts north, expect fast organization.
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Re: ATL: EARL - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#580 Postby aspen » Mon Sep 05, 2022 2:02 pm

The 18:17 recon update just came in…40 minutes late. Still no word from the Kay plane.

Edit: 18z best track is still at 55kt/998mb, so either Earl hasn’t intensified, or even the NHC doesn’t have any recon data from AF308.
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