ATL: IAN - Post-Tropical - Discussion

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Re: ATL: IAN - Hurricane - Discussion

#2461 Postby Zonacane » Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:09 pm

Ian with a classic buzzsaw
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Re: ATL: IAN - Hurricane - Discussion

#2462 Postby InfernoFlameCat » Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:09 pm

Zonacane wrote:
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Zonacane wrote:Dude, seriously?

Let me clarify, it is not showing dual rotating hot towers while clearing out an eye. Also, it has more feeder bands than any other hurricane that I can think of ATM. It also has been pulsing in convection and intensifying in its earlier stages with stratiform low level convergence. Its just strange to me.

In spite of the issues you have with appearance, Ian is still steadily intensifying. Currently, Ian appears to be undergoing an ERC

I think its intensifying, its just not doing it like other hurricanes have, IE a steady CDO that shrimps before busting out an eye. Ian has shrimped at least twice, but still has no clear eye.
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Re: ATL: IAN - Hurricane - Discussion

#2463 Postby tolakram » Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:09 pm

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Re: ATL: IAN - Hurricane - Discussion

#2464 Postby MJGarrison » Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:10 pm

I’m sure its different for all storms, but at what intensity do storms (under normal circumstances) clear out an eye?


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Re: ATL: IAN - Hurricane - Discussion

#2465 Postby Zonacane » Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:10 pm

InfernoFlameCat wrote:
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InfernoFlameCat wrote:Let me clarify, it is not showing dual rotating hot towers while clearing out an eye. Also, it has more feeder bands than any other hurricane that I can think of ATM. It also has been pulsing in convection and intensifying in its earlier stages with stratiform low level convergence. Its just strange to me.

In spite of the issues you have with appearance, Ian is still steadily intensifying. Currently, Ian appears to be undergoing an ERC

I think its intensifying, its just not doing it like other hurricanes have, IE a steady CDO that shrimps before busting out an eye. Ian has shrimped at least twice, but still has no clear eye.

Ian will clear an eye out soon enough. Still plenty of time
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Re: ATL: IAN - Hurricane - Discussion

#2466 Postby Zonacane » Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:11 pm

MJGarrison wrote:I’m sure its different for all storms, but at what intensity do storms (under normal circumstances) clear out an eye?


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Category 4.
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Re: ATL: IAN - Hurricane - Discussion

#2467 Postby InfernoFlameCat » Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:11 pm

MJGarrison wrote:I’m sure its different for all storms, but at what intensity do storms (under normal circumstances) clear out an eye?


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75-90 knots for hurricanes in the tropics is when they start to. in the subtropics near any intensity is fair game. IE Gaston at 35 knots.
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Re: ATL: IAN - Hurricane - Discussion

#2468 Postby TallyTracker » Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:12 pm

I don’t think there are multiple eyeballs currently. The spiral banding is giving that impression but the eye is just cloud-filled and not fully closed. Looks like Ian’s getting it’s act together though and gonna pound Cuba pretty hard.
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Re: ATL: IAN - Hurricane - Discussion

#2469 Postby wx98 » Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:12 pm

Zonacane wrote:
MJGarrison wrote:I’m sure its different for all storms, but at what intensity do storms (under normal circumstances) clear out an eye?


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Category 4.

That's not necessarily true. Many storms clear out eyes at Cat 1 or 2.
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Re: ATL: IAN - Hurricane - Discussion

#2470 Postby Nimbus » Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:13 pm

WilmingtonSandbar wrote:Isn't that front digging a lot further south into Louisiana than predicted

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/sat/sat ... uct=wv_mid


See the upper low in the water vapor loop moving into NY state?
That 995 low was well depicted over the great Lakes for the 12Z Euro run same initial position for the GFS.
Isobar lines are about 1016 near LA with the 1023 high centered over the midwest moving in to replace the trough.
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Re: ATL: IAN - Hurricane - Discussion

#2471 Postby Iceresistance » Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:13 pm

NOAA3 is having intermittent signal to us right now.
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Re: ATL: IAN - Hurricane - Discussion

#2472 Postby Zonacane » Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:14 pm

wx98 wrote:
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MJGarrison wrote:I’m sure its different for all storms, but at what intensity do storms (under normal circumstances) clear out an eye?


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Category 4.

That's not necessarily true. Many storms clear out eyes at Cat 1 or 2.

Well, it depends on the location and structure of the storm, but typically category 4 is when the eye fully clears out and becomes cloudless.
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Re: ATL: IAN - Hurricane - Discussion

#2473 Postby tolakram » Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:14 pm

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#2474 Postby jlauderdal » Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:15 pm

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sikkar wrote:I don't think the outflow can get any better than this.


It will when the trough gets closer

I think Patricia had the best outflow ever. Trough enhanced outflow is the most favorable. If Ian got Poleward and Equatorial outflow, it would be ventilating better.
Checkout images of typhoon tip if ouflow is your thing
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Re: ATL: IAN - Hurricane - Discussion

#2475 Postby Hammy » Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:15 pm

We have constant radar coverage now so we don't need to guess at what the satellite appearance means. Eye is clearly there but still somewhat fractured, and no signs of double eyewall or ERC.

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Re: ATL: IAN - Hurricane - Discussion

#2476 Postby Zonacane » Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:16 pm

Hammy wrote:We have constant radar coverage now so we don't need to guess at what the satellite appearance means. Eye is clearly there but still somewhat fractured, and no signs of double eyewall or ERC.

https://i.imgur.com/2TsapfZ.png
https://i.imgur.com/7qQoGKh.png

No sign of double maxima on recon as of yet either.
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Re: ATL: IAN - Hurricane - Discussion

#2477 Postby sbcc » Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:19 pm

Hammy wrote:We have constant radar coverage now so we don't need to guess at what the satellite appearance means. Eye is clearly there but still somewhat fractured, and no signs of double eyewall or ERC.


Right, and on both sides of the storm, easy to rule in or out any attenuation issues. Looks the same on both radars.

ETA: holy cow, I'm having fat finger issues with the quote tags, sorry. Fixed now.
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Re: ATL: IAN - Hurricane - Discussion

#2478 Postby Iceresistance » Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:19 pm

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Re: ATL: IAN - Hurricane - Discussion

#2479 Postby tolakram » Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:20 pm

No comm during center pass, this is the other side.

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Re: ATL: IAN - Hurricane - Discussion

#2480 Postby TheHurricaneGod » Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:21 pm

Looks like due N on the Cayman radar.
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