ATL: LEE - Post-Tropical - Discussion

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Re: ATL: LEE - Hurricane - Discussion

#921 Postby Beef Stew » Thu Sep 07, 2023 7:07 pm

Given the reluctance to put a lot of weight on SFMR without equivalent FL winds, I don't think this is enough for the NHC to pull the trigger... yet. But blended we're there, and I think operationally we'll have category 5 Lee by the time this mission has made a few more passes.
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Re: ATL: LEE - Hurricane - Discussion

#922 Postby Iceresistance » Thu Sep 07, 2023 7:09 pm

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Re: ATL: LEE - Hurricane - Discussion

#923 Postby Teban54 » Thu Sep 07, 2023 7:13 pm

Has the issue with SFMR inflation at high intensities been resolved yet? I seem to recall that some time after the 2021 season, there was a study or report stating that SFMR has been "fixed' following recent research.

If that's the case, it will increase the reliability of SFMR readings here.
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Re: ATL: LEE - Hurricane - Discussion

#924 Postby chaser1 » Thu Sep 07, 2023 7:13 pm

Just insane. Lee has potentially gone from TS to Cat 5 in 30 hours. Anyone know if that would be a record?
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Re: ATL: LEE - Hurricane - Discussion

#925 Postby ThunderForce » Thu Sep 07, 2023 7:14 pm

On satellite it looks like Lee is finally starting to cross 17°N.
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Re: ATL: LEE - Hurricane - Discussion

#926 Postby zzzh » Thu Sep 07, 2023 7:16 pm

chaser1 wrote:Just insane. Lee has potentially gone from TS to Cat 5 in 30 hours. Anyone know if that would be a record?

I think it took 54h but still insanely fast.
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Re: ATL: LEE - Hurricane - Discussion

#927 Postby Weather Watcher » Thu Sep 07, 2023 7:18 pm

zzzh wrote:
chaser1 wrote:Just insane. Lee has potentially gone from TS to Cat 5 in 30 hours. Anyone know if that would be a record?

I think it took 54h but still insanely fast.


Wilma holds the record for rapid intensification
In October 2005, Wilma rocketed from a tropical storm to a Category 5 hurricane in 24 hours, according to the hurricane center's post-storm rep
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Re: ATL: LEE - Hurricane - Discussion

#928 Postby zzzh » Thu Sep 07, 2023 7:20 pm

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chaser1 wrote:Just insane. Lee has potentially gone from TS to Cat 5 in 30 hours. Anyone know if that would be a record?

I think it took 54h but still insanely fast.


Wilma holds the record for rapid intensification
In October 2005, Wilma rocketed from a tropical storm to a Category 5 hurricane in 24 hours, according to the hurricane center's post-storm rep

I think you need to count from the time it got upgraded to a TS
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Re: ATL: LEE - Hurricane - Discussion

#929 Postby Weather Watcher » Thu Sep 07, 2023 7:24 pm

zzzh wrote:
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zzzh wrote:I think it took 54h but still insanely fast.


Wilma holds the record for rapid intensification
In October 2005, Wilma rocketed from a tropical storm to a Category 5 hurricane in 24 hours, according to the hurricane center's post-storm rep

I think you need to count from the time it got upgraded to a TS

According to google
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Re: ATL: LEE - Hurricane - Discussion

#930 Postby Jelmergraaff » Thu Sep 07, 2023 7:24 pm

Dropsonde NE-Eyewall has 134 kt at the surface (944 mb) but 152 kt at 939 mb.
Edit: And 180 kts at 918 mb (for what it's worth).
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Re: ATL: LEE - Hurricane - Discussion

#931 Postby chaser1 » Thu Sep 07, 2023 7:25 pm

Weather Watcher wrote:
zzzh wrote:
chaser1 wrote:Just insane. Lee has potentially gone from TS to Cat 5 in 30 hours. Anyone know if that would be a record?

I think it took 54h but still insanely fast.


Wilma holds the record for rapid intensification
In October 2005, Wilma rocketed from a tropical storm to a Category 5 hurricane in 24 hours, according to the hurricane center's post-storm rep


"Wilma by a nose" (er, eye)! This was 1500 (11:00 am yesterday):
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL
1100 AM AST Wed Sep 06 2023

...LEE CLOSE TO HURRICANE STRENGTH...
...LIKELY TO RAPIDLY INTENSIFY INTO AN EXTREMELY DANGEROUS MAJOR
HURRICANE BY SATURDAY...


SUMMARY OF 1100 AM AST...1500 UTC...INFORMATION
-----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...14.1N 45.5W
ABOUT 1200 MI...1930 KM E OF THE NORTHERN LEEWARD ISLANDS
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...70 MPH...110 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...WNW OR 285 DEGREES AT 14 MPH...22 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...994 MB...29.36 INCHES


While still unofficial, that would put Lee closely behind Wilma at 35 hr's.
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Re: ATL: LEE - Hurricane - Discussion

#932 Postby GCANE » Thu Sep 07, 2023 7:25 pm

The eye drop showed 74% RH at 850mb.
It looks to be drying out,
If trend continues to show lower RH on subsequent eye drops, may be an indicator for an onset EWRC.
Look for mesovorts in the eye to confirm.
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Re: ATL: LEE - Hurricane - Discussion

#933 Postby Iceresistance » Thu Sep 07, 2023 7:25 pm

Jelmergraaff wrote:Dropsonde NE-Eyewall has 134 kt at the surface (944 mb) but 152 kt at 939 mb.


There is a 180 knot at 918 mb

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Re: ATL: LEE - Hurricane - Discussion

#934 Postby AJC3 » Thu Sep 07, 2023 7:25 pm

TorSkk wrote:
aspen wrote:I’m guessing no special advisory?

Maybe a small update in a few minutes?


Given the forecast track, they wouldn't issue a special advisory in a case like this. Perhaps a Tropical Cyclone Update (TCUAT_) if they felt it was warranted.
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Re: ATL: LEE - Hurricane - Discussion

#935 Postby eastcoastFL » Thu Sep 07, 2023 7:26 pm

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Re: ATL: LEE - Hurricane - Discussion

#936 Postby Chris90 » Thu Sep 07, 2023 7:31 pm

The 180kt gust at 918mb is only about 250m above the surface, so with strong convection I would imagine it's not having too much trouble mixing to the surface. I'd go with the SFMR and set the intensity at 145kts here.
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Re: ATL: LEE - Hurricane - Discussion

#937 Postby Chris_in_Tampa » Thu Sep 07, 2023 7:32 pm

In case it wasn't posted, 155mph and 933mb at 8pm EDT Thursday for best track data.

AL, 13, 2023090800, , BEST, 0, 170N, 518W, 135, 933, HU, 64, NEQ, 40, 30, 20, 30, 1011, 180, 10, 0, 0, L, 0, , 0, 0, LEE, D, 0, , 0, 0, 0, 0, genesis-num, 027,
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Re: ATL: LEE - Hurricane - Discussion

#938 Postby GCANE » Thu Sep 07, 2023 7:32 pm

Center of anti-cyclone is 310 miles south of CoC.
UL winds are opposing direction of travel roughly 90 degrees.
Will run into some shear.
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Re: ATL: LEE - Hurricane - Discussion

#939 Postby Coolcruiseman » Thu Sep 07, 2023 7:32 pm

Little late to the party. My guess is the “official” after recon is going to be 925 mb with 140 knots.
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Re: ATL: LEE - Hurricane - Discussion

#940 Postby BlowHard » Thu Sep 07, 2023 7:33 pm

Jelmergraaff wrote:Dropsonde NE-Eyewall has 134 kt at the surface (944 mb) but 152 kt at 939 mb.
Edit: And 180 kts at 918 mb (for what it's worth).


Where do you see 180 knots?
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