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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#121 Postby GCANE » Thu Jun 27, 2024 9:06 pm

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Stratton23 wrote:GCANE how would Upper level trough north of hawaii affect 95 L’s track, assuming thats what you meant?


At some point it'll cause 95L to curve north as they start to get closer to each other.
The trough moves from west to east.
95L moves from east to west.


I'll give this another level of technical explanation.
A trough is a large area of spread out cyclonic vorticity.
When two areas of vorticity approach each other the Fujiwhara effect kicks.
Since the TC is relatively small, it is most effected by the Fuji effect causing an anti-cyclonic track to kick.
Thus the TC starts moving north.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#122 Postby Category5Kaiju » Thu Jun 27, 2024 10:38 pm

Looks pretty healthy

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Re: RE: Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#123 Postby Woofde » Thu Jun 27, 2024 10:50 pm

Category5Kaiju wrote:Looks pretty healthy

Any best guesses on where the center of circulation is? From my quick look, the clouds suggest it's under or near the convection.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240628/d718191c360536766c3a202125fbe718.jpg
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Re: RE: Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#124 Postby Hammy » Thu Jun 27, 2024 10:56 pm

Woofde wrote:
Category5Kaiju wrote:Looks pretty healthy

https://i.imgur.com/iGUcxdm.png
Any best guesses on where the center of circulation is? From my quick look, the clouds suggest it's under or near the convection.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240628/d718191c360536766c3a202125fbe718.jpg


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We got a scatterometer overpass, seems there's still two lobes at the moment, or at least as of 3-4 hours ago
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#125 Postby CrazyC83 » Thu Jun 27, 2024 11:27 pm

Not quite a TC, but close. I'd go 90/90 at the next update.

I'd think watches would be necessary by early Saturday. If not yet a TC, I think 5 am Saturday would be the time to issue it as PTC 2.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#126 Postby chaser1 » Thu Jun 27, 2024 11:55 pm

I'd bet on NHC not needing the "Potential" tag for this one.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#127 Postby Sciencerocks » Fri Jun 28, 2024 12:16 am

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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#128 Postby KN2731 » Fri Jun 28, 2024 12:22 am

2. Central Tropical Atlantic (AL95):
Showers and thunderstorms continue to show signs of organization in
association with a tropical wave located several hundred miles
west-southwest of the Cabo Verde Islands. Environmental conditions
appear conducive for additional development, and a tropical
depression or tropical storm is likely to form over the next day or
two. This system is expected to move westward at 15 to 20 mph
towards the Windward Islands. Interests in the Lesser Antilles
should monitor the progress of this system.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...high...80 percent.
* Formation chance through 7 days...high...90 percent.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#129 Postby zzzh » Fri Jun 28, 2024 3:36 am

There are some easterly shear over the system, llcc is near the edge of the convection. It should be a TD today.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#130 Postby USTropics » Fri Jun 28, 2024 5:35 am

95L continues to improve in structure this morning, with evident banding features developing and an increasingly moist pocket (contributed from DMAX) to shield it from dry air intrusions:
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This is corroborated by a recent microwave pass from about 3-4 hours ago:
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While there still remains some easterly shear displacing the convection slightly to the west as zzzh alluded to, this persistent convection since last night has allowed for vorticity to strengthen throughout the column. Below is a 48 hour animation of the low-level vorticity that captures this well:
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This consolidation process has occurred a bit quicker than I anticipated, and the odds of a hurricane developing east of the Leeward islands has significantly increased this morning. Both the GFS and ECMWF operational models are now showing this:
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#131 Postby GCANE » Fri Jun 28, 2024 5:56 am

Shear now 15 knts. Looks like it maybe out running the anticyclone.
SAL seems to be slowly closing in.

Looks like a feed of high TPW air from the Amazon is starting to form ahead of it.
It may start to entrain that when 95L gets to around 55W.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#132 Postby abajan » Fri Jun 28, 2024 6:03 am

USTropics wrote:95L continues to improve in structure this morning, with evident banding features developing and an increasingly moist pocket (contributed from DMAX) to shield it from dry air intrusions:
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This consolidation process has occurred a bit quicker than I anticipated, and the odds of a hurricane developing east of the Leeward islands has significantly increased this morning. Both the GFS and ECMWF operational models are now showing this:
https://i.imgur.com/KEbZZRT.png
https://i.imgur.com/BaDT70v.png

You meant the Windward Islands.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#133 Postby USTropics » Fri Jun 28, 2024 6:11 am

abajan wrote:
USTropics wrote:95L continues to improve in structure this morning, with evident banding features developing and an increasingly moist pocket (contributed from DMAX) to shield it from dry air intrusions:
...

This consolidation process has occurred a bit quicker than I anticipated, and the odds of a hurricane developing east of the Leeward islands has significantly increased this morning. Both the GFS and ECMWF operational models are now showing this:
https://i.imgur.com/KEbZZRT.png
https://i.imgur.com/BaDT70v.png

You meant the Windward Islands.


Still east of the Leeward Islands but yes, impacts will be felt first more in the Windward Islands. There is still a subset of GFS ensembles that take this more north. Intensity (which will begin to impact the track further west) for compact systems can be tricky to forecast, and everyone from Grenada north to Puerto Rico should continue to monitor this and prepare for potential hurricane impacts.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#134 Postby zzzh » Fri Jun 28, 2024 6:37 am

Central Tropical Atlantic (AL95):
A low pressure system located about 1500 miles east-southeast of the
Windward Islands is gradually becoming better defined. Showers and
thunderstorms are also showing signs of organization, and a tropical
depression or tropical storm will likely form later today or on
Saturday. This system is expected to move westward at 15 to 20 mph
and approach the Lesser Antilles by the end of the weekend.
Interests there should monitor the progress of this system. For
more information, including gale warnings, see High Seas Forecasts
issued by the National Weather Service.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...high...90 percent.
* Formation chance through 7 days...high...90 percent.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#135 Postby hipshot » Fri Jun 28, 2024 6:41 am

GCANE wrote:Shear now 15 knts. Looks like it maybe out running the anticyclone.
SAL seems to be slowly closing in.

Looks like a feed of high TPW air from the Amazon is starting to form ahead of it.
It may start to entrain that when 95L gets to around 55W.

I hadn't noticed that we have 2 systems now on the same track. Will it catch up with 95L or wind up being a separate invest.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#136 Postby zzzh » Fri Jun 28, 2024 6:51 am

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That is not what I expected the center to be at
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#137 Postby zzzh » Fri Jun 28, 2024 7:01 am

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Buoy 13009 is located at 8N, 38W, to the southwest of where the NHC 8am X is marked. Though lots of data are missing from this buoy, you can see the wind direction turning from SW - N - SE, meaning that the center is northwest of the buoy.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#138 Postby GCANE » Fri Jun 28, 2024 7:18 am

A lot more sustained helicity.
If this holds up, we may have a tagged TD by the end of the day.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#139 Postby kevin » Fri Jun 28, 2024 7:27 am

Looks very good. If it keeps this up I expect a TD upgrade at the next outlook message in about 6 hours or otherwise definitely in the one following that.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#140 Postby Kazmit » Fri Jun 28, 2024 7:39 am

zzzh wrote:https://i.imgur.com/CkihA4q.png
That is not what I expected the center to be at

Bit of easterly shear.
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