2024 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

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Re: 2024 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#781 Postby BIFF_THE_UNRULY » Sun Aug 11, 2024 10:50 am

SFLcane wrote:
mantis83 wrote:
Teban54 wrote:Here comes the buzzword :lol:
 https://x.com/dmorris9661/status/1822326665210380615


season cancel?....... :eek:


This is ridiculous! We are 2 weeks barely into Aug lol even the most hyper active years go quite but I think you know this. Do you post these comments intentionally? No offense but this is getting rather annoying and provides 0 contribution wise to the thread. There is a reason why 85% percent of major hurricanes occur after 8/20. Patience grasshopper


Based on Evidence provided...he is right..Season isnt canceled but Delayed for another 2 weeks.
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Re: 2024 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#782 Postby Stratton23 » Sun Aug 11, 2024 11:13 am

Whether its delayed or not its going to get active, that is without a shadow of a doubt 100% guaranteed, these season cancelled post are reckless, i can guarantee models will flip once the dust breaks up
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Re: 2024 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#783 Postby South Texas Storms » Sun Aug 11, 2024 11:59 am

Gotta admit I thought the longer range models would be at least showing some activity as we head into late August but I'm not complaining. Going to really need to see more than a few storms this month if we will have a chance of getting to 20 or more storms for the season.
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Re: 2024 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#784 Postby Hurricane2022 » Sun Aug 11, 2024 12:07 pm

We saw something very similar last year. The models did not show that anything would happen around August 20 in the predictions made 8 to 16 days earlier.
But in that same day...the holy August 20th...we saw something funny happen :lol:

Let's wait for the dust to settle and we'll see the Atlantic explode like the Hunga-Tonga volcano in 2022...
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Re: 2024 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#785 Postby WeatherBoy2000 » Sun Aug 11, 2024 12:18 pm

We could still be a couple weeks away from storms popping off left and right, but we currently have what will likely be a long tracking hurricane on deck, that's definitely not nothing. I just want to point out that Danny Morris is not a met, and there's a comment already here detailing the flaws in his analysis. The only thing I'm doubtful on is the number of storms that may form, I feel we're in for a season more like 2017 with plenty of strong hurricanes and ace but not an excessive amount of storms. The 20+ storm count forecasts may come up short.
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Re: 2024 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#786 Postby tolakram » Sun Aug 11, 2024 12:38 pm

What are we expecting, 3 storms at once? :lol: I suspect we'll get a steady level of activity with few breaks. Landfalls? Who knows?
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Re: 2024 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#787 Postby Hammy » Sun Aug 11, 2024 2:01 pm

WeatherBoy2000 wrote:We could still be a couple weeks away from storms popping off left and right, but we currently have what will likely be a long tracking hurricane on deck, that's definitely not nothing. I just want to point out that Danny Morris is not a met, and there's a comment already here detailing the flaws in his analysis. The only thing I'm doubtful on is the number of storms that may form, I feel we're in for a season more like 2017 with plenty of strong hurricanes and ace but not an excessive amount of storms. The 20+ storm count forecasts may come up short.


He does have a point about the monsoon trough (The configuration is the same one that's been allowing, increasingly, early-season MDR activity) but I don't even see the wavebreaking--all the shear, all of it, is out of the east and southeast, resulting from the stronger than usual monsoon.

If wavebreaking were an issue (as it was in July/early August 2023 for instance), we would have had at least one system form in the subtropics from a trough or cutoff low by this point.
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Re: 2024 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#788 Postby otowntiger » Sun Aug 11, 2024 2:10 pm

South Texas Storms wrote:Gotta admit I thought the longer range models would be at least showing some activity as we head into late August but I'm not complaining. Going to really need to see more than a few storms this month if we will have a chance of getting to 20 or more storms for the season.
agreed! I’m sure things will pick up, but I’m surprised long range models are so bearish for development well into the teeth of the season.
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Re: 2024 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#789 Postby WaveBreaking » Sun Aug 11, 2024 2:12 pm

Hurricane2022 wrote:We saw something very similar last year. The models did not show that anything would happen around August 20 in the predictions made 8 to 16 days earlier.
But in that same day...the holy August 20th...we saw something funny happen :lol:


Yeah that monsoon trough breakdown last year gave us 4 named storms in the span of a couple days. And seeing how models are hinting at a monsoon trough setting up after 98L, I wouldn't be surprised if we get a sudden jump in activity.
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Re: 2024 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#790 Postby cajungal » Sun Aug 11, 2024 2:15 pm

Hard to believe it is August 11th and not a single model showing anything after 98L. And with a trough over the east coast and heat ridge over Gulf coast, the states seem protected for now with that pattern
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#791 Postby jlauderdal » Sun Aug 11, 2024 2:21 pm

South Texas Storms wrote:Gotta admit I thought the longer range models would be at least showing some activity as we head into late August but I'm not complaining. Going to really need to see more than a few storms this month if we will have a chance of getting to 20 or more storms for the season.
My 19 named storms in the contest is looking better each day.
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Re: 2024 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#792 Postby Hammy » Sun Aug 11, 2024 2:55 pm

The Euro has been offering hints in the form of increasingly defined waves (just like with Debby and future-Ernesto, these defined waves end up eventually showing up when we're around 5-6 days out as developed systems), so these might be the two to watch around bell day Image
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Re: 2024 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#793 Postby boca » Sun Aug 11, 2024 3:00 pm

The trough that is turning future Ernesto north will send a frontal boundary thru South Florida next weekend. I never heard of that happening in August.
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Re: 2024 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#794 Postby weeniepatrol » Sun Aug 11, 2024 3:16 pm

Make sure you remember that it is 11 August. Take a deep breath or two; there WILL be hurricanes and soon whether guidance shows it or not.
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Re: 2024 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#795 Postby TomballEd » Sun Aug 11, 2024 3:27 pm

boca wrote:The trough that is turning future Ernesto north will send a frontal boundary thru South Florida next weekend. I never heard of that happening in August.



A cold front stalled in the Gulf in August is how the last major hurricane to landfall in the Houston-Galveston area formed, 41 years ago. Rare, but not impossible, for a decaying cold front to be the seedling of a TC.

Harvey was from the deep tropics, but no place in the HGX CWA had sustained hurricane winds.
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Re: 2024 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#796 Postby Weathertracker96 » Sun Aug 11, 2024 3:41 pm

Hammy wrote:The Euro has been offering hints in the form of increasingly defined waves (just like with Debby and future-Ernesto, these defined waves end up eventually showing up when we're around 5-6 days out as developed systems), so these might be the two to watch around bell day https://i.imgur.com/zNcoiSJ.png

Is the High building back in on this or is the weakness supposed to stay?
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Re: 2024 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#797 Postby LarryWx » Sun Aug 11, 2024 3:44 pm

Weathertracker96 wrote:
Hammy wrote:The Euro has been offering hints in the form of increasingly defined waves (just like with Debby and future-Ernesto, these defined waves end up eventually showing up when we're around 5-6 days out as developed systems), so these might be the two to watch around bell day https://i.imgur.com/zNcoiSJ.png

Is the High building back in on this or is the weakness supposed to stay?


It is typically always changing. Weaknesses from time to
time are normal. But La Niña typically has a more prevalent further W reaching Bermuda high than El Niño.
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Re: 2024 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#798 Postby Stratton23 » Sun Aug 11, 2024 6:51 pm

small hint by the 18z GFS , maybe starting to slowly see the increase in activity beyond the 20th
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Re: 2024 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#799 Postby AxaltaRacing24 » Sun Aug 11, 2024 7:16 pm

Can’t lie, I feel like it’s too early to panic about storm counts or what models are showing. Recently, it’s been rare to even get a single major before August 20th, and there’s a chance we will see our second within the next 7 days.

The first half of August is essentially July part 2, and it seems that this discussion pops up almost every year around this time of the season.

We already had a category 5 storm, and with Ernesto poised to become a mid august long tracker, it seems almost certain that we will have plenty of activity to talk about within the next 2 weeks.
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Re: 2024 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#800 Postby ConvergenceZone » Sun Aug 11, 2024 9:11 pm

weeniepatrol wrote:Make sure you remember that it is 11 August. Take a deep breath or two; there WILL be hurricanes and soon whether guidance shows it or not.


That's true, but I can understand where people are coming from when you look at the EXTREMELY bullish number of storms forecasted. I don't think it's a big deal as much now, but if it's not INCREDIBLY active during the first week of September, those incredibly high numbers forecasted are not going to jive. I'm seeing tweets from various meteorologists saying the same thing. I think we will know for sure whether the high numbers will stand by the end of the first week of September.
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