2024 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

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Re: 2024 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#2501 Postby blueskies » Fri Nov 08, 2024 2:36 pm

gatorcane wrote:It’s like we are behind a month and it is more like October or even September with Rafael tracking way west in the Gulf. Florida hasn’t seen its first real cold front. Maybe we will see that front next weekend but you do wonder if the door is still open particularly for South Florida.



Will the patterns that are in place now that would cause Rafael to weaken north of 26 N, be in place for the rest of November?
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Re: 2024 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#2502 Postby underthwx » Fri Nov 08, 2024 4:40 pm

This is the current discussion from the Global Tropical hazards outlook, as im sure most of you are already familiar with. I stumbled upon it, and wanted to share it.


"GTH Outlook Discussion
Last Updated - 11/05/24
Valid - 11/13/24 - 11/26/24
Recent observations and both the RMM based and CPC velocity potential based MJO indices indicate that a robust MJO event continues into early November, with the enhanced convective phase crossing the Western Hemisphere. This intraseasonal signal is currently the dominant mode of tropical variability, despite destructive interference with the low frequency base state favoring suppressed convection over the equatorial central Pacific. As the MJO enhanced convective envelope crossed the Pacific at the end of October and the beginning of November, the trade wind regime weakened, easterly anomalies developed aloft, and a Pacific jet extension developed over the northeastern Pacific and portions of North America. There is uncertainty whether this enhanced MJO event will have a substantial impact on the oceanic thermocline of the Pacific. While a strong westerly wind burst was initiated over the Pacific, the strongest westerlies were located well north of the Equator, which reduces the impact. Still, it is possible that this recent activity may result in the initiation of a downwelling oceanic Kelvin wave, and there are some indications of an eastward expansion of the above-average West Pacific warm pool.

Dynamical model MJO index forecasts are in good agreement supporting continued MJO activity during the outlook period, with the GEFS favoring a slower and more amplified evolution, and the ECMWF favoring a faster propagation of an overall weaker signal. Given the highly organized structure of the ongoing MJO event, there is fairly high confidence that the MJO will continue to play a large to dominant role in the global tropical convective pattern, with the enhanced convective phase continuing to cross the Western Hemisphere during Week-1, and the Indian Ocean and possibly the Maritime Continent during Weeks 2 and 3. Therefore, enhanced low-level westerlies over the eastern Pacific and Caribbean during the outlook period may yield a favorable environment for late season tropical cyclone development. As the suppressed envelope of the MJO crosses the Pacific during the outlook period, a trade wind surge is favored, which may help to strengthen the low frequency base state as the Boreal winter season approaches. Given the extent of warm water across the western Pacific, however, MJO activity may persist beyond the outlook period.

Four tropical cyclones (TCs) formed during the past week. On November 2, Tropical Storm Lane developed over the East Pacific far southwest of the Baja California peninsula. The system dissipated shortly thereafter. Tropical Storm Patty also formed on November 2 over the central Atlantic near 40N. On November 3, Typhoon Yinxing formed east of the Philippines. This system continues to intensify, and forecasts from the Joint Typhoon Warning Center bring the center of circulation near or north of the island of Luzon during the next several days before emerging over the South China Sea. On November 4, Tropical Storm Rafael developed over the central Caribbean Sea. Forecasts from the National Hurricane Center indicate strengthening to hurricane intensity, with the TC bringing impacts to Jamaica and Cuba before emerging over the Gulf of Mexico, where increased shear may begin to weaken the system. Interests along the US Gulf Coast should continue to monitor forecasts from the NHC and their local NWS forecast offices. During the Week-2 period, continued low-level westerly anomalies across the eastern Pacific and Caribbean will provide a favorable environment for late season tropical cyclone development. Dynamical model forecasts do not consistently indicate any specific regions for development, but forecasts show potential closed lows forming from a broad cyclonic gyre over the western or central Caribbean as well as the western Atlantic in the vicinity of the Turks and Caicos islands. The MJO evolution also favors tropical cyclone development over the southwestern Indian Ocean, particularly in the region near or north of Madagascar. During Week-3, similar regions remain favored, though the potential for East Pacific development declines considerably as the MJO suppressed phase crosses the Pacific.

Forecasts for above- and below-average precipitation during Weeks 2 and 3 are based on historical composites of Indian Ocean and Maritime Continent MJO events, a low frequency state leaning towards La Niña, and a skill consolidated blend of dynamical model guidance. Widespread above-average precipitation is favored to develop across the Indian Ocean basin during the outlook period, with enhancement spreading across the equatorial Maritime Continent. Less wetness was indicated for the equatorial eastern Indian Ocean based on model guidance, which may be attributed to subsidence from tropical cyclone activity or equatorial Rossby wave activity. In contrast, suppressed rainfall is favored across the central Pacific due to constructive interference between the MJO suppressed phase and the low frequency base state. Above-normal temperatures are indicated for portions of the eastern U.S. during week-2. For hazardous weather conditions in your area during the coming two-week period, please refer to your local NWS office, the Medium Range Hazards Forecast produced by the Weather Prediction Center, and the CPC Week-2 Hazards Outlook. Forecasts made over Africa are made in coordination with the International Desk at CPC."


I realize a good portion of this outlook seems to be centered around the Pacific, and Indian Ocean basins, but it has some excellent references to the Atlantic and Carribean basins as well, which I found to be extremely interesting personally, and it helped shed some light to me, on what the heck is going on out there!
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Re: 2024 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#2503 Postby Tailgater33 » Fri Nov 08, 2024 5:00 pm

Some DA booked a cruise to the western Caribbean, leaving New Orleans on the 16th. 5 to 7 day range a lot can change. Fingers crossed
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Re: 2024 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#2504 Postby chaser1 » Fri Nov 08, 2024 9:18 pm

SFLcane wrote:12z GFS again smacks the FL peninsula.

https://i.postimg.cc/sgrxX4X7/bbbb.png


Kind of crazy huh :eek: ? GFS really did sniff out Rafael very well too. While ICON was much more lukewarm toward any significant development, it sure did nail Rafael's track pretty well though.

Meanwhile its now four consecutive model runs by GFS wanting to bring another 'Cane to S. Florida! Consistent support by ICON suggesting the same would REALLY be a no bueno sign. Odd's on GFS going 5-straight with tonight's 0Z?
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Re: 2024 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#2505 Postby fllawyer » Fri Nov 08, 2024 9:27 pm

chaser1 wrote:
SFLcane wrote:12z GFS again smacks the FL peninsula.

https://i.postimg.cc/sgrxX4X7/bbbb.png


Kind of crazy huh :eek: ? GFS really did sniff out Rafael very well too. While ICON was much more lukewarm toward any significant development, it sure did nail Rafael's track pretty well though.

Meanwhile its now four consecutive model runs by GFS wanting to bring another 'Cane to S. Florida! Consistent support by ICON suggesting the same would REALLY be a no bueno sign. Odd's on GFS going 5-straight with tonight's 0Z?


GFS may have sniffed out genesis, but forecasted track was way off. I actually took a screenshot on 10/24 of the GFS model showing an almost carbon copy of Helene hitting in the Big Bend on 11/6. That obviously ended up being way off since forecasting steering and other factors that far out is so tricky.
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Re: 2024 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#2506 Postby gatorcane » Sun Nov 10, 2024 12:32 pm

The GFS ensembles are very bullish on WCAR development with genesis starting in just 4-5 days from now:

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Re: 2024 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#2507 Postby chaser1 » Sun Nov 10, 2024 1:07 pm

fllawyer wrote:
chaser1 wrote:
SFLcane wrote:12z GFS again smacks the FL peninsula.

https://i.postimg.cc/sgrxX4X7/bbbb.png


Kind of crazy huh :eek: ? GFS really did sniff out Rafael very well too. While ICON was much more lukewarm toward any significant development, it sure did nail Rafael's track pretty well though.

Meanwhile its now four consecutive model runs by GFS wanting to bring another 'Cane to S. Florida! Consistent support by ICON suggesting the same would REALLY be a no bueno sign. Odd's on GFS going 5-straight with tonight's 0Z?


GFS may have sniffed out genesis, but forecasted track was way off. I actually took a screenshot on 10/24 of the GFS model showing an almost carbon copy of Helene hitting in the Big Bend on 11/6. That obviously ended up being way off since forecasting steering and other factors that far out is so tricky.


That is entirely true. ICON had a better grasp for those conditions that ultimately reflected the storm track and motion.
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Re: 2024 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#2508 Postby SFLcane » Sun Nov 10, 2024 1:43 pm

gatorcane wrote:The GFS ensembles are very bullish on WCAR development with genesis starting in just 4-5 days from now:

https://i.postimg.cc/25QvW4tx/gfs-ememb-lowlocs-watl-fh96-240.gif


Huge signal on the EPS! :eek:

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Re: 2024 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#2509 Postby MarioProtVI » Sun Nov 10, 2024 2:10 pm

12z GFS wants to create Nor’Sara out of this with over half a foot of snow here on the Northeast coast :lol: would be a way to end the 2024 AHS
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Re: 2024 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#2510 Postby SFLcane » Sun Nov 10, 2024 2:23 pm

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Re: 2024 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#2511 Postby gatorcane » Sun Nov 10, 2024 3:11 pm

SFLcane wrote:
gatorcane wrote:The GFS ensembles are very bullish on WCAR development with genesis starting in just 4-5 days from now:

https://i.postimg.cc/25QvW4tx/gfs-ememb-lowlocs-watl-fh96-240.gif


Huge signal on the EPS! :eek:

https://i.postimg.cc/9F6Rt6B7/mmm.png

https://i.postimg.cc/13KFmWpV/mmm.png

https://i.postimg.cc/QM9j4CxN/mmmm.png


Strong signal for sure with several strong members into the NW Caribbean/SE Gulf/Western Cuba and in the vicinity of Southern Florida. I would think the NHC may need to lemon the area soon.
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Re: 2024 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#2512 Postby gatorcane » Sun Nov 10, 2024 3:37 pm

GFS long-range trend 5 last runs. The model has been good at picking up on genesis in the long-range:

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Re: 2024 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#2513 Postby SFLcane » Sun Nov 10, 2024 4:03 pm

gatorcane wrote:
SFLcane wrote:
gatorcane wrote:The GFS ensembles are very bullish on WCAR development with genesis starting in just 4-5 days from now:

https://i.postimg.cc/25QvW4tx/gfs-ememb-lowlocs-watl-fh96-240.gif


Huge signal on the EPS! :eek:

https://i.postimg.cc/9F6Rt6B7/mmm.png

https://i.postimg.cc/13KFmWpV/mmm.png

https://i.postimg.cc/QM9j4CxN/mmmm.png


Strong signal for sure with several strong members into the NW Caribbean/SE Gulf/Western Cuba and in the vicinity of Southern Florida. I would think the NHC may need to lemon the area soon.


That's been a given now for a few days. Very strong ensemble signal no doupt.
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Re: 2024 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#2514 Postby SFLcane » Sun Nov 10, 2024 4:04 pm

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Re: 2024 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#2515 Postby TallyTracker » Sun Nov 10, 2024 4:26 pm

MarioProtVI wrote:12z GFS wants to create Nor’Sara out of this with over half a foot of snow here on the Northeast coast :lol: would be a way to end the 2024 AHS


Ironically, Sara replaced Sandy when it was retired in 2012 doing something similar to what the GFS is forecasting. lol
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Re: 2024 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#2516 Postby Miami Storm Tracker » Sun Nov 10, 2024 10:05 pm

Good evening everyone,

Hopefully we are nearing the end. That said I don't like to see how aggresive the models are showing development. The last thing I need here in the Keys is a late season storm.
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Re: 2024 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#2517 Postby WaveBreaking » Mon Nov 11, 2024 6:26 pm

18z GFS shows some subtropical development in the N Atlantic at ~10 days which meanders around as a high-end (S)TS/Cat 1 hurricane before moving N and dissipating. Similar to Patty earlier this month.

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Re: 2024 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#2518 Postby REDHurricane » Tue Nov 12, 2024 6:51 am

06z GFS showing yet another disturbance from the CAG trying to spin up on Thanksgiving Day -- I felt pretty confident that there would be activity into November during the dead period from mid-August through mid-September, but I wouldn't have guessed that there might be CAG systems forming around 15ºN basically into December... obviously still a long way out, though GFS has been pretty spot-on with its long-range genesis predictions this year

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Re: 2024 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#2519 Postby kevin » Wed Nov 13, 2024 8:20 am

06z GFS has another Caribbean system at the end of the run.

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Re: 2024 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#2520 Postby underthwx » Wed Nov 13, 2024 9:58 am

kevin wrote:06z GFS has another Caribbean system at the end of the run.

https://i.imgur.com/s9xQM7X.png

Not surprised anymore.
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