agree dryline, Chad, and Linda. Oh wow... isn't that a diverse group!
lol.. Ya, that dosent happen to offten.. But its usually pretty easy for us to agree when the person we are debating with is our friend rainy
THE TALK OF POSTPONING ELECTIONS is ridiculous
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Add me to the diversity!
I think that we need to plan ahead for unforeseen circumstances. I think it would throw our country into more chaos if do not have a plan "B" to determine who our next President is.
Not planning and preparing properly got us into the 9/11 mess as it is. We were complacent. We shouldn't be now!
I think that we need to plan ahead for unforeseen circumstances. I think it would throw our country into more chaos if do not have a plan "B" to determine who our next President is.
Not planning and preparing properly got us into the 9/11 mess as it is. We were complacent. We shouldn't be now!
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Stephanie wrote:Add me to the diversity!
I think that we need to plan ahead for unforeseen circumstances. I think it would throw our country into more chaos if do not have a plan "B" to determine who our next President is.
Not planning and preparing properly got us into the 9/11 mess as it is. We were complacent. We shouldn't be now!
It is good to have plans for these things... BUT... there is no need to throw it all over the media. As Rainstorm and myself believe, this could cause terrorize our economy. I am more concerned about the economy then some coward terrorist that KNOWS that he will not succeed.
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even though you are a kerry supporter, i agree with you completely. its time bush told us some good news. maybe on wednesday ridge will say no one should go to malls because 1 suicide bomber "may" hit 1 of the thousands of malls in the united states because of some vague rumor.
meanwhile, the economy comes crashing down
meanwhile, the economy comes crashing down
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rainstorm wrote:even though you are a kerry supporter, i agree with you completely. its time bush told us some good news. maybe on wednesday ridge will say no one should go to malls because 1 suicide bomber "may" hit 1 of the thousands of malls in the united states because of some vague rumor.
meanwhile, the economy comes crashing down
You're missing the point. No one is saying NOT to vote (which is what your mall example illustrates), they are just stating that there is a plan in case of an attack around the elections.
And the stock market fall that would occur should an election fiasco occur due to terrorism would be far greater than one now with these alerts and press conferences.
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Why wouldnt they tell us something may happen come November, people need to know that the danger is real. If an attack happened in November and nobody told us that there were threats and what not...how would that make Bush, the CIA and all of them look? Bush already got bashed for obviously not doing anything before 9/11 since there were threats..he learned his lesson.
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Cowardly thugs, popularly referred to as "terrorists", are a reality but we need not give them an agenda boost.
We still want to deal with them under Marquis de Queensbury rules while failing to accept the reality they are Marquis de Sade. The wretched on bended knee reaction to the prision mess was an advertisement to the cowardly thugs that we are indeed squeamish when it comes down to pulling out all the stops.
The new Iraqi police/military have already decided to fight "terrorism" with terrorism. This lamentable and overly played concept of "well that would make us as bad as them" is really defeatist in nature, stating that if we cannot defeat them "politely" then we might as well lose. I am afraid, and have been for a while, it will take another gut wrenching 9-11 disaster to finally get the US pissed off enough, and stay pi*sed off, to quit playing nice-nice and get down to the dirty business of wiping out these dirty bas*ards.
We still want to deal with them under Marquis de Queensbury rules while failing to accept the reality they are Marquis de Sade. The wretched on bended knee reaction to the prision mess was an advertisement to the cowardly thugs that we are indeed squeamish when it comes down to pulling out all the stops.
The new Iraqi police/military have already decided to fight "terrorism" with terrorism. This lamentable and overly played concept of "well that would make us as bad as them" is really defeatist in nature, stating that if we cannot defeat them "politely" then we might as well lose. I am afraid, and have been for a while, it will take another gut wrenching 9-11 disaster to finally get the US pissed off enough, and stay pi*sed off, to quit playing nice-nice and get down to the dirty business of wiping out these dirty bas*ards.
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Vigilance. Watchful eyes.
But no change in the election process.
Just the talk of taking that action plays into their hands.
They love sticking pins in the voodoo dolls that look like us and watch us squirm. One of these times we're going to spew some venum out through one of those pinholes and let them know that hate has a price too. And it won't be a dozen virgins in heaven either.
But no change in the election process.
Just the talk of taking that action plays into their hands.
They love sticking pins in the voodoo dolls that look like us and watch us squirm. One of these times we're going to spew some venum out through one of those pinholes and let them know that hate has a price too. And it won't be a dozen virgins in heaven either.
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Don't postpone the elections
The administration's reported consideration of finding a way to postpone our national elections if terrorists attack may be well intentioned, but ill conceived. It is a bad idea and should be discarded promptly.
We do share the administration's assessment that such an attack is plausible, and that it could distort the election results. We note, with approval, that the administration believes that if there were to be a change, it should only be done by constitutional amendment — rather than by asserting some vague inherent, implicit powers.
Several advocates of the proposal have likened it to the need for emergency provisions for replacing members of Congress if many of them are killed by terrorist attack — thus denying the House a quorum to vote on needed emergency legislation. The comparison is inapposite.
In the latter instance, the constitutional process could not continue, thus forcing the government to legislate in an unconstitutional manner. Such a condition is unacceptable, and justifies making constitutional emergency provision.
But an election disrupted by terrorist attacks creates no constitutional crises. Even if thousands or, God forbid, millions of American voters were killed or deterred from voting, there would still be a presidential candidate who would win the majority of the remaining votes cast in the several states and the District. The Electoral College would function in December. Either John Kerry or George Bush would, as set out in the Constitution, be elected president.
The republic would stand.
The same cannot be said for postponing the election — even if done by constitutional amendment. The nation has never postponed a presidential election, not even during the Civil War. The precedent would be appalling. Elections are the bedrock of our form of government. Even a technical constitutional amendment permitting a postponement would be a dangerous crack in that bedrock. Such a fissure would provide an entry point for ill-intentioned people (as there always will be) to undermine in the future our government's electoral integrity.
Depending on one's point of view, the right man and the right party do not always win American elections. Moreover, our national electoral history is replete with cases where one party or the other has questioned the accuracy or honesty of the vote count. (The elections of 1876, 1960 and 2000 come to mind.) Although those results set off grumbling, such residual ill-will always has been subsumed by our unbroken free electoral tradition. The nation always has pushed on — as the alternative to a timely completion of the election process has been too repulsive to contemplate.
Now is no time to tamper with that time-proven process — neither for ourselves nor for the values we yet advocate for others. Around the world, democracy-loving people have turned out for elections even under gunfire. If we asked other peoples currently seeking democracy to carry out elections under the certainty of gunfire and bomb blast as we prepare to postpone ours for fear of the same, we should feel ashamed. We dare not break our most fundamental unbroken civic tradition of 228 years
washington times and rush are on my side. any talk of postponing the election is hysterical non sense
The administration's reported consideration of finding a way to postpone our national elections if terrorists attack may be well intentioned, but ill conceived. It is a bad idea and should be discarded promptly.
We do share the administration's assessment that such an attack is plausible, and that it could distort the election results. We note, with approval, that the administration believes that if there were to be a change, it should only be done by constitutional amendment — rather than by asserting some vague inherent, implicit powers.
Several advocates of the proposal have likened it to the need for emergency provisions for replacing members of Congress if many of them are killed by terrorist attack — thus denying the House a quorum to vote on needed emergency legislation. The comparison is inapposite.
In the latter instance, the constitutional process could not continue, thus forcing the government to legislate in an unconstitutional manner. Such a condition is unacceptable, and justifies making constitutional emergency provision.
But an election disrupted by terrorist attacks creates no constitutional crises. Even if thousands or, God forbid, millions of American voters were killed or deterred from voting, there would still be a presidential candidate who would win the majority of the remaining votes cast in the several states and the District. The Electoral College would function in December. Either John Kerry or George Bush would, as set out in the Constitution, be elected president.
The republic would stand.
The same cannot be said for postponing the election — even if done by constitutional amendment. The nation has never postponed a presidential election, not even during the Civil War. The precedent would be appalling. Elections are the bedrock of our form of government. Even a technical constitutional amendment permitting a postponement would be a dangerous crack in that bedrock. Such a fissure would provide an entry point for ill-intentioned people (as there always will be) to undermine in the future our government's electoral integrity.
Depending on one's point of view, the right man and the right party do not always win American elections. Moreover, our national electoral history is replete with cases where one party or the other has questioned the accuracy or honesty of the vote count. (The elections of 1876, 1960 and 2000 come to mind.) Although those results set off grumbling, such residual ill-will always has been subsumed by our unbroken free electoral tradition. The nation always has pushed on — as the alternative to a timely completion of the election process has been too repulsive to contemplate.
Now is no time to tamper with that time-proven process — neither for ourselves nor for the values we yet advocate for others. Around the world, democracy-loving people have turned out for elections even under gunfire. If we asked other peoples currently seeking democracy to carry out elections under the certainty of gunfire and bomb blast as we prepare to postpone ours for fear of the same, we should feel ashamed. We dare not break our most fundamental unbroken civic tradition of 228 years
washington times and rush are on my side. any talk of postponing the election is hysterical non sense
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WEATHER53 wrote:Cowardly thugs, popularly referred to as "terrorists", are a reality but we need not give them an agenda boost.
We still want to deal with them under Marquis de Queensbury rules while failing to accept the reality they are Marquis de Sade. The wretched on bended knee reaction to the prision mess was an advertisement to the cowardly thugs that we are indeed squeamish when it comes down to pulling out all the stops.
The new Iraqi police/military have already decided to fight "terrorism" with terrorism. This lamentable and overly played concept of "well that would make us as bad as them" is really defeatist in nature, stating that if we cannot defeat them "politely" then we might as well lose. I am afraid, and have been for a while, it will take another gut wrenching 9-11 disaster to finally get the US pissed off enough, and stay pi*sed off, to quit playing nice-nice and get down to the dirty business of wiping out these dirty bas*ards.
I liked this post sufficiently to play it again.
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WEATHER53 wrote:Cowardly thugs, popularly referred to as "terrorists", are a reality but we need not give them an agenda boost.
We still want to deal with them under Marquis de Queensbury rules while failing to accept the reality they are Marquis de Sade. The wretched on bended knee reaction to the prision mess was an advertisement to the cowardly thugs that we are indeed squeamish when it comes down to pulling out all the stops.
The new Iraqi police/military have already decided to fight "terrorism" with terrorism. This lamentable and overly played concept of "well that would make us as bad as them" is really defeatist in nature, stating that if we cannot defeat them "politely" then we might as well lose. I am afraid, and have been for a while, it will take another gut wrenching 9-11 disaster to finally get the US pissed off enough, and stay pi*sed off, to quit playing nice-nice and get down to the dirty business of wiping out these dirty bas*ards.
There is a broad landscape between playing nice and civilian sweeps ending in rape and murder. I, for one, want to be proud of the way this country conducts itself in the international arena.
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One thing we know for sure is that there are terrorists who are willing, and have inflicted, great harm on US citizens and military. It is an infinitely less cetainty that US soldiers have particiapated in any roundups and rapes or murders of the citizenry although it does make great emotional froth to proffer such.
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WEATHER53 wrote:Cowardly thugs, popularly referred to as "terrorists", are a reality but we need not give them an agenda boost.
We still want to deal with them under Marquis de Queensbury rules while failing to accept the reality they are Marquis de Sade. The wretched on bended knee reaction to the prision mess was an advertisement to the cowardly thugs that we are indeed squeamish when it comes down to pulling out all the stops.
The new Iraqi police/military have already decided to fight "terrorism" with terrorism. This lamentable and overly played concept of "well that would make us as bad as them" is really defeatist in nature, stating that if we cannot defeat them "politely" then we might as well lose. I am afraid, and have been for a while, it will take another gut wrenching 9-11 disaster to finally get the US pissed off enough, and stay pi*sed off, to quit playing nice-nice and get down to the dirty business of wiping out these dirty bas*ards.
AMEN!!!!Unfortunately, I fear you are hitting the nail right on the head W53!!!!
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