Federal Marriage Amendment KILLED

[GalvestonDuck]

Let me try to explain it another way. Of course, I'm making up numbers here because polls can be sided one way or another and there's no telling what the true numbers are without a legitimate vote.

But let's just say, for example, that 97% of Americans don't like the Confederate flag and 3% love it and what it stands for.

Soooo....Congress goes to vote on "Federal Flag-flying Amendment" which bans flying any flag that resembles or includes the Confederate battle cross.

Does that mean that 97% of Americans are going to be in favor of that amendment and 3% will be opposed? No, because not everyone would be in favor of an amendment like that, even if they're opposed to the flags. Many would prefer to let their states decide what flags to fly where -- especially when their own state flag includes a depiction of the Confederate flag as a symbol of that state's heritage and history.

It could very well be that 55% of them would vote for the amendment and 45% would vote against it.

[Guest]

Let me try to explain it another way. Of course, I'm making up numbers here because polls can be sided one way or another and there's no telling what the true numbers are without a legitimate vote.

But let's just say, for example, that 97% of Americans don't like the Confederate flag and 3% love it and what it stands for.

Soooo....Congress goes to vote on "Federal Flag-flying Amendment" which bans flying any flag that resembles or includes the Confederate battle cross.

Does that mean that 97% of Americans are going to be in favor of that amendment and 3% will be opposed? No, because not everyone would be in favor of an amendment like that, even if they're opposed to the flags. Many would prefer to let their states decide what flags to fly where -- especially when their own state flag includes a depiction of the Confederate flag as a symbol of that state's heritage and history.

It could very well be that 55% of them would vote for the amendment and 45% would vote against it.

Your point, which you have made several times, is an excellent one, but I do not think you should let KC off the hook for posting a ridiculous, unsupportable figure.

[GalvestonDuck]

I know, but he's just 15.

I'm more concerned about the fact that he admitted to looking at stuff that a kid his age shouldn't be looking at.

[Skywatch_NC]

4. What gives you the right to tell him, as a Christian, how he should feel and react? As a Christian myself, I feel my religion is being attacked, not only by the idea of gay marriage, but by many other new ideologies. Our Supreme Justices are off track with the way the majority of Americans feel, and the implementation of an amendment would stop them from forever changing the institution of marriage as we know it.
...Jennifer...

AMEN, Jen!

No AMEN from me, as I disagree with every sentence of the quote.

I do not have the right to tell him how he should react, but I do have the right to point out contradictions, at which point he can choose to consider or not to consider their validity.

The Supreme Court justices are in place to uphold the Constitution, not to please the majority of Americans. If the American population is in favor of an official action that is unconstitutional, they are to stop it dead in its tracks. Keep in mind this is just a general principle; I am not getting into the constitutionality of this particular idea. The point still stands, though, that your outrage at judges overriding majority opinion is largely unwarranted IMO.

Let's face it though...justices on The Supreme Court are some of the most left-wing Liberals w/ their ideologies among judges in our country today.

[Guest]

I know, but he's just 15.

I'm more concerned about the fact that he admitted to looking at stuff that a kid his age shouldn't be looking at.

Fine, but outside the context of an amendment the number who oppose Gay marriage is between 50%-70%, NOT 97%.

Within the context of amending the Constitution, as you have suggested, I think the number who SUPPORT the amendment is much lower than the 50-70% who are opposed to legalizing Gay marriage.

[GalvestonDuck]

I know that. I've read the polls too.

[dryline22]

Let's face it though...justices on The Supreme Court are some of the most left-wing Liberals w/ their ideologies among judges in our country today.

Surely you are referring to the Massachusetts Supreme Court... and not THE Supreme Court, five of whose justices were appointed by Republicans... right?

I'm more concerned about the fact that he admitted to looking at stuff that a kid his age shouldn't be looking at.

I must be missing something.

[streetsoldier]

One thing you may not know is that when John Marshall, the first Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, appropriated the "Doctrine of Jodicial Review" in Madison vs. Marbury, he assumed powers NOT delineated by the Constitution.

Then-President Thomas Jefferson, with a Vice-President of another party and a hostile Congress, didn't have the means to put things back in place; thence, the doctrine stayed as "common law".

However, that section IS still in effect re: the Congress deciding what the Federal Courts can do, or not...and, IMHO, it is about time they reined in the Courts.

[wx247]

Whether you are 9 or 99, you have the right to your own opinion. However, you also have an obligation to present facts that are truthful.

I just took a poll and 100% of all the people in my survey agree with my above response.

(Disclaimer: I was the only person I surveyed!)

[Wnghs2007]

Whether you are 9 or 99, you have the right to your own opinion. However, you also have an obligation to present facts that are truthful.

I just took a poll and 100% of all the people in my survey agree with my above response.

(Disclaimer: I was the only person I surveyed!)

This is KC. And I approve Garretts Message.

[j]

I'm sick of this whole stinking issue....embarassed that I'm a native Bay Stater, and just wish the gays could go on their merry way copulating, co-habitating, or whatever it is they wish to do and forget about giving this country one more thing to divide us even more.

This may sound like I hate gays...quite the contrary...I've just had it up to my eyeballs with every special interest groups out there (the extremest gays are just one of many), wishing to redefine our culture to suit their deviancies.

I'm just glad my children are grown and I'm not having to explain to them why it is that men are marrying men, woman are marrying women, and cats are marrying dogs.

[Guest]

I'm sick of this whole stinking issue....embarassed that I'm a native Bay Stater, and just wish the gays could go on their merry way copulating, co-habitating, or whatever it is they wish to do and forget about giving this country one more thing to divide us even more.

This may sound like I hate gays...quite the contrary...I've just had it up to my eyeballs with every special interest groups out there (the extremest gays are just one of many), wishing to redefine our culture to suit their deviancies.

I'm just glad my children are grown and I'm not having to explain to them why it is that men are marrying men, woman are marrying women, and cats are marrying dogs.

Great Post

[streetsoldier]

Uh, "j", you forgot the PETA crowd that wants to have "blessed unions" with their "animal companions" (read: pets, to the rest of us)...

[dryline22]

Man, and I had always thought I was bad about getting paranoid...

[j]

Uh, "j", you forgot the PETA crowd that wants to have "blessed unions" with their "animal companions" (read: pets, to the rest of us)...

no..I didn't forget them Bill...they are inclusive in the "special interest groups"...

Hey Bill..I didn't live too far from Vermont, where it is not all that uncommon for the mountain folk to become quite attached to their sheep. . THat being said...never really bothered me, because it was more or less a private affair. Its not like you had to worry about bumping into them at the local disco.

[streetsoldier]

I think old Dr. Benjamin Franklin said it best...

FREEDOM is not license to do what one WANTS, but the liberty to do what one OUGHT. (Emphasis mine.)

[Guest]

I'm sick of this whole stinking issue....embarassed that I'm a native Bay Stater, and just wish the gays could go on their merry way copulating, co-habitating, or whatever it is they wish to do and forget about giving this country one more thing to divide us even more.

This may sound like I hate gays...quite the contrary...I've just had it up to my eyeballs with every special interest groups out there (the extremest gays are just one of many), wishing to redefine our culture to suit their deviancies.

I'm just glad my children are grown and I'm not having to explain to them why it is that men are marrying men, woman are marrying women, and cats are marrying dogs.

I find your post to be quite pejorative of Gays and wholly inconsistent with your suggestion that you do not hate Gays.

[Guest]

I find your post to be quite pejorative of Gays and wholly inconsistent with your suggestion that you do not hate Gays.

I don't perceive his post that way at all. You sure like adding fuel to the fire, don't you?

[dryline22]

or whatever it is they wish to do and forget about giving this country one more thing to divide us even more.

Christianity is among the most divisive belief systems/institutions, and fundamentalist Christians among the most divisive groups, for this country, IMHO.

[j]

Hey zwyts---I thought you said it was a great post?

I don't hate gays. There are several (believe it or not), on this board that are incredibly nice people, and I'm not at all uncomfortable with. However, the extremists of this sector, of which there are many, make me feel uneasy, and embarrassed.

It's a very difficult chore to raise children amongst an openly gay and demonstrative society. The one's that show my children respect, have my respect. The one's that don't...I have no use for.