VOMIT Alert

[Derecho]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/entertai ... 5754.story


"Terry and WKMG meteorologist Tom Sorrells agree that the Hurricane Center was slow with critical new information Friday.

"If you see the storm moving a different way than the official line, you owe it to your viewers to tell them," Sorrells said.

"They were late at the worst possible time," Terry said. "It's not the first time I've had to deal with some slow movement on their part."

WKMG is an AccuWeather station, and while I of course don't live in the Orlando area, I had multiple people tell me (at the time) on the day before landfall he was showing the AccuWeather track with a Cedar Key landfall and assuring viewers Orlando would suffer no effect from Charley at all.

Talk about Chutzpah.

[USAwx1]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment/orl-asechtv15_tvst081504aug15,1,1025754.story


"Terry and WKMG meteorologist Tom Sorrells agree that the Hurricane Center was slow with critical new information Friday.

"If you see the storm moving a different way than the official line, you owe it to your viewers to tell them," Sorrells said.

"They were late at the worst possible time," Terry said. "It's not the first time I've had to deal with some slow movement on their part."

WKMG is an AccuWeather station, and while I of course don't live in the Orlando area, I had multiple people tell me (at the time) on the day before landfall he was showing the AccuWeather track with a Cedar Key landfall and assuring viewers Orlando would suffer no effect from Charley at all.

Talk about Chutzpah.

Cedar key ---- thats only about 200 miles off

[MWatkins]

That...is a large pile of crap from clowns who probably underrepresented the potential threat to their viewers...and are now washing their hands by saying it's not my fault.

Unfreakingbelievable.

MW

[USAwx1]

That...is a large pile of crap from clowns who probably underrepresented the potential threat to their viewers...and are now washing their hands by saying it's not my fault.

Unfreakingbelievable.

MW

yes they did, and forecasters from other stations also. At the same time as the eye was located over hardee County, forecasters at WESH 2 TV (the NBC affiliate in Orlando) were telling their viewers to only expect winds sustained in the 30-40 Mph range in the Sanford/Orlando area. Yet the system was still a CAT 2 Hurricane. What a Joke. the observed sustained wind at OIA was stronger than their forecasted gusts even within an hour of the strongest winds making their way over the city.

[Derecho]

Also Orlando had Inland Hurricane Wind warnings from the NWS at 11AM.

[Guest]

It never fails. the weatherman on new stations never cease to amaze me.

[Rainband]

ANYBODY in the cone needed to be ready!!

[ColdFront77]

WKMG-TV is typically the "least dramatic" of the four Orlando stations, too. However, before Charley started the turn toward the southwest Florida coast... they were urging residents west and northwest of Orlando to heed the warnings like the other three local stations were.

Straight line wise, Cedar Key and Orlando are about 110 miles apart.

[Steve]

You failed to respond in your other Accubash thread. The day before landfall you told someone on this board that you though the NHC's track wasn't far enough west. I provided the link. I think that was the advisory they had it going into the Big Bend. Heh. You failed to respond. That was your only hint of a forecast for the few days leading up to Charley's landfall. Anyone can take pot shots from their LZ-Boy or play armchair quarterback after the game. I don't know jack about the mets on the Orlando station, I don't even care.

LMAO again

Steve

[Lindaloo]

That has nothing to do with it Steve. The fact is, those mets were giving out false info. Get passed Accuweather for a second.

[NorthGaWeather]

Steve I don't recall the NHC taking Charley into the big bend it was always somewhere from Ft. Myers to Tampa. Also does anybody have an e-mail or phone number to this station I will give these guys a piece of my mind about there bashing of NHC forecast.

[Steve]

I know that Ll. That tv station is most likely wrong for what their weather team did. But I think Derecho needs to stand up for himself sometimes. He bashes Accuewather and Joe Bastardi all the time as well as many people on this forum with his arrogance and sarcastic comments. But the way I see it, if someone is man enough to call someone else out, maybe they need to have their own story first. Derecho started a similar thread the other day. But as I noted in his other thread, he was wrong then to bash the 'dismal failure' if his only comment on potential landfall was that he thought (at the time +/- 3:00am Thursday {also 'the day before landfall' as he noted in this very thread}) the NHC's track wasn't far enough west. The advisory at that time brough tthe storm inland somewhere between FORECAST VALID 13/1200Z 25.5N 82.5W...OVER WATER; FORECAST VALID 14/0000Z 29.5N 81.5W...INLAND

That tells me the forecast he said wasn't far enough west had the storm over water at 25.5 and inland @ 29.5. If you take the easy way out and average the 2 points, you end up with 27.5. So chances are, they had landfall somewhere between St. Pete/Clearwater and Cedar Key.

Derecho's entire premise is that Accuweather busted on a Cedar Key landfall (not what I was reading on the pro site FWIW) and must believe that gives him a right to initiate 2 threads without acknowledging that he himself was even farther west with his ONLY prognostication. Fair is fair.

Steve

[caneman]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment/orl-asechtv15_tvst081504aug15,1,1025754.story


"Terry and WKMG meteorologist Tom Sorrells agree that the Hurricane Center was slow with critical new information Friday.

"If you see the storm moving a different way than the official line, you owe it to your viewers to tell them," Sorrells said.

"They were late at the worst possible time," Terry said. "It's not the first time I've had to deal with some slow movement on their part."

WKMG is an AccuWeather station, and while I of course don't live in the Orlando area, I had multiple people tell me (at the time) on the day before landfall he was showing the AccuWeather track with a Cedar Key landfall and assuring viewers Orlando would suffer no effect from Charley at all.

Talk about Chutzpah.

I have no idea what TV station you are refering to but I will say this. Local TV station channel 9 was well on board with the NE track before NHC was. I was there I know. He kept saying that he was going with the model that put the track thru Central Orlando. Even kept saying he knew it was against what the NHC said. He stuck his neck out. Having spoke with my brother in FT. Myers as it was coming in, I got the feeling that non of his local TV mets did same. DOn't know the guys name on Channel 9 but he was unbelievable!

[Guest]

well said.

I know that Ll. That tv station is most likely wrong for what their weather team did. But I think Derecho needs to stand up for himself sometimes. He bashes Accuewather and Joe Bastardi all the time as well as many people on this forum with his arrogance and sarcastic comments. But the way I see it, if someone is man enough to call someone else out, maybe they need to have their own story first. Derecho started a similar thread the other day. But as I noted in his other thread, he was wrong then to bash the 'dismal failure' if his only comment on potential landfall was that he thought (at the time +/- 3:00am Thursday {also 'the day before landfall' as he noted in this very thread}) the NHC's track wasn't far enough west. The advisory at that time brough tthe storm inland somewhere between FORECAST VALID 13/1200Z 25.5N 82.5W...OVER WATER; FORECAST VALID 14/0000Z 29.5N 81.5W...INLAND

That tells me the forecast he said wasn't far enough west had the storm over water at 25.5 and inland @ 29.5. If you take the easy way out and average the 2 points, you end up with 27.5. So chances are, they had landfall somewhere between St. Pete/Clearwater and Cedar Key.

Derecho's entire premise is that Accuweather busted on a Cedar Key landfall (not what I was reading on the pro site FWIW) and must believe that gives him a right to initiate 2 threads without acknowledging that he himself was even farther west with his ONLY prognostication. Fair is fair.

Steve

[Guest]

well hopefully they would hang up on someone like you...
a CAT 4 hurricanes turns and head to Your area.... TPC does NOT pick up on the change course for 2-3 hours you go against TPC you turn out to be 100% right and you want to bash the TV station mets?

Steve I don't recall the NHC taking Charley into the big bend it was always somewhere from Ft. Myers to Tampa. Also does anybody have an e-mail or phone number to this station I will give these guys a piece of my mind about there bashing of NHC forecast.

[Guest]

could we all get our noses out of TPC's fanny for a second?

I really dont under stand ANY of the reactions here at all.

Let's review... a CAT 3 that is RAPIDLY INTENSIFYING is missed by the 11am friday Tpc Friday Forecast / Discussion. It turns and heads to Your area.... TPC does NOT pick up on the change from 240 to 360 to 020 for over 4 hours... so you go on the area against TPC ... you turn out to be 100% right and you guys wnat to bash the TV station mets?

The cane kills scores of people does 15 billion in damage devatstes the FL Citus crop but you guys want to bash the TV mets ?

and WHY? b/c derecho says they are associated with accuweather? You guys need to get a friggn clue and call reality and stop beening weenies

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment/orl-asechtv15_tvst081504aug15,1,1025754.story


"Terry and WKMG meteorologist Tom Sorrells agree that the Hurricane Center was slow with critical new information Friday.

"If you see the storm moving a different way than the official line, you owe it to your viewers to tell them," Sorrells said.

"They were late at the worst possible time," Terry said. "It's not the first time I've had to deal with some slow movement on their part."

WKMG is an AccuWeather station, and while I of course don't live in the Orlando area, I had multiple people tell me (at the time) on the day before landfall he was showing the AccuWeather track with a Cedar Key landfall and assuring viewers Orlando would suffer no effect from Charley at all.

Talk about Chutzpah.

Cedar key ---- thats only about 200 miles off

[caneman]

could we all get our noses out of TPC's arshole for a second?

I really dont under stand ANY of the reactions here at all.

Let's review... a CAT 3 that is RAPIDLY INTENSIFYING is missed by the 11am friday Tpc Friday Forecast / Discussion. It turns and heads to Your area.... TPC does NOT pick up on the change from 240 to 360 to 020 for over 4 hours... so you go on the area against TPC ... you turn out to be 100% right and you guys wnat to bash the TV station mets?

The cane kills scores of people does 15 billion in damage devatstes the FL Citus crop but you guys want to bash the TV mets ?







and WHY? b/c derecho says they are associated with accuweather? You guys need to get a friggn clue and call reality and stop beening weenies

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment/orl-asechtv15_tvst081504aug15,1,1025754.story


"Terry and WKMG meteorologist Tom Sorrells agree that the Hurricane Center was slow with critical new information Friday.

"If you see the storm moving a different way than the official line, you owe it to your viewers to tell them," Sorrells said.

"They were late at the worst possible time," Terry said. "It's not the first time I've had to deal with some slow movement on their part."

WKMG is an AccuWeather station, and while I of course don't live in the Orlando area, I had multiple people tell me (at the time) on the day before landfall he was showing the AccuWeather track with a Cedar Key landfall and assuring viewers Orlando would suffer no effect from Charley at all.

Talk about Chutzpah.

Cedar key ---- thats only about 200 miles off

Dt - You are 100% correct. I was there local mets in Orlando talked for 2 or 3 hours about how they thought it would go up thru Charlotte Harbor and eventually over Orlando. That 2 or 3 hours made all the difference in the world for people in Orlando. Unfortunately, I'm not note sure that other mets in Ft. Myers and even Tampa area did same. And lastly why does NHC have to wait every 3 hours for an update if there is a clear change in track? Thank God Orlando mets called it as they saw it and on a minute by minute basis.

[vbhoutex]

Blame game will stop now please or we will be forced to lock the thread and/or move it. HIndsight is always 20/20 in any situation. We can all be assured that a thorough look will be taken all that occured with Charley and if there is anything to be learned from it it will be done.

The personal you said/they said/I said is unnecessary and uncalled for. Stop the blame game and focus on the weather itself please. Or better yet find out what you can do to support the clean up and recovery efforts and DO IT!!!!

[Trader Ron]

Everyone in the Warning area needs to take heed.
Especially if you live in a Mobile Home.
I'm willing to bet Tens of Thousands of residents, in the Tampa area were going to ride out Charley in their Mobile homes. It's human nature.

[Stormsfury]

NO NO NO ... the original point of this thread is the fact that the meteeorologist in charge on that station (which does happen to be an Accuweather station) totally FAILED in what to expect for the Orlando area, even after seeing it was still a CAT 2 just hours away ... and was quick to blame the NHC for NOT moving fast enough ... talk about hypocrisy.

But anyway, here's my two cents ... (actually, I already stated them on the "My rant" thread ... but, here's the point of the thread ...

You have an Accuweather station (meteorologist) screaming that the NHC was too slow and to blame for people being offguard ... and other threads around being started about holding the NHC accountable ... for what? Getting a forecast window correct? Hurricane warnings not being issued soon enough? (see Donsutherland's thread ... HW's were up 29 HOURS before landfall ...)

And yet, Accuweather misses dreadfully a landfall forecast point of Cedar Key, AND this met says to expect 30-40 MPH winds ... and they want to scream about accountability?

That's just flat out hypocrisy .. period ...

SF