Has it only been 35 years?

[EmeraldCoast1]

You are right about the economic recovery Agua. And I am afraid if we get another Camille the casinos will be swept away causing major economic damage again.

Luckily, er, wisely, the casinos can be detached from their moorings and floated into inland waterways as they are built on floating "barges". Those that don't want to because of the cost can simply remove the gaming equipment and store them in inland warehouses that all the casinos own. I would imagine they have hefty insurance policies also.

[Ixolib]

You are right about the economic recovery Agua. And I am afraid if we get another Camille the casinos will be swept away causing major economic damage again.

Luckily, er, wisely, the casinos can be detached from their moorings and floated into inland waterways as they are built on floating "barges". Those that don't want to because of the cost can simply remove the gaming equipment and store them in inland warehouses that all the casinos own. I would imagine they have hefty insurance policies also.

Unfortunately, just because of the major logistics involved, NONE of these casinos will be moving anywhere. I'm talking offloading anything connected with gaming, then disconnecting the utilities, then getting them through the bridges in a timely fashion, and the list goes on and on and on... Unless they had a definite 48-hour notice of exact landfall, any efforts to move them would prove fruitless. The insurance part, though, is their saving grace. Insured to the max!!

[Lindaloo]

You are right about the economic recovery Agua. And I am afraid if we get another Camille the casinos will be swept away causing major economic damage again.

Luckily, er, wisely, the casinos can be detached from their moorings and floated into inland waterways as they are built on floating "barges". Those that don't want to because of the cost can simply remove the gaming equipment and store them in inland warehouses that all the casinos own. I would imagine they have hefty insurance policies also.

You are wrong about them being moved to Back Bay. They used to be able to move them but are now stationery.

They did not remove any gaming equipment during georges nor did they do this with Izzy. Two casinos sustained major damage in both storms. The Copa used to be a ship and was the only one able to move. Now the Copa is stationery.

They may be insured but as a result of them building them right on the beaches WE will have to suffer when there is a huge loss!!

[EmeraldCoast1]

You are right about the economic recovery Agua. And I am afraid if we get another Camille the casinos will be swept away causing major economic damage again.

Luckily, er, wisely, the casinos can be detached from their moorings and floated into inland waterways as they are built on floating "barges". Those that don't want to because of the cost can simply remove the gaming equipment and store them in inland warehouses that all the casinos own. I would imagine they have hefty insurance policies also.

You are wrong about them being moved to Back Bay. They used to be able to move them but are now stationery.

They did not remove any gaming equipment during georges nor did they do this with Izzy. Two casinos sustained major damage in both storms. The Copa used to be a ship and was the only one able to move. Now the Copa is stationery.

They may be insured but as a result of them building them right on the beaches WE will have to suffer when there is a huge loss!!

I stand corrected. My information is obviously outdated. I guess they have reached sizes that make them impractical or impossible to move. And you are correct in saying it would be a huge loss if a Camille type storm hit. Any community would be devastated if a Camille type storm hit again.

[Rocketman]

Spam, crackers, candles, bleached water, ants, chainsaws, C130s flying over dropping some kind of ant killer. Not too many of us were lucky enough to have generators back then. No power for 4 weeks. Ice was like gold.

I was 9, lived on Keesler AFB. The AF transferred us a month later to Whiteman AFB, in Missouri. After Dad retired in '74, we returned to Biloxi, even Camille couldn't keep us away. 35 years later, my whole family is within 20 miles of each other, this is home and we love it here. We've since been thru Fred, Elena and Georges.

Camille forever changed us, myself in particular. I'm a weather freak, hurricanes mostly, and it all started on this day, in 1969.

The smells of sea soaked books and ruined clothes, the plaster dinosaur at the Goofy Golf, the old beach bowl, old foundations still unrestored.

[Ixolib]

Spam, crackers, candles, bleached water, ants, chainsaws, C130s flying over dropping some kind of ant killer. Not too many of us were lucky enough to have generators back then. No power for 4 weeks. Ice was like gold.

I was 9, lived on Keesler AFB. The AF transferred us a month later to Whiteman AFB, in Missouri. After Dad retired in '74, we returned to Biloxi, even Camille couldn't keep us away. 35 years later, my whole family is within 20 miles of each other, this is home and we love it here. We've since been thru Fred, Elena and Georges.

Camille forever changed us, myself in particular. I'm a weather freak, hurricanes mostly, and it all started on this day, in 1969.

The smells of sea soaked books and ruined clothes, the plaster dinosaur at the Goofy Golf, the old beach bowl, old foundations still unrestored.

Oh Man!! I forgot about the Spam and the c-130s at daybreak!! And the Beach Bowl - we're really dating ourselves now ... I'm with 'ya on the interest with hurricanes - like you said, it all started with this one amazing storm.

[Lindaloo]

There was already a Camille type storm that hit the United States, his name was Andrew.

[Aslkahuna]

Although Andrew was a Cat 5 storm in 1992, Camille was much more than Andrew. Lowest pressure in Andrew was 922mb, lowest in Camille was 905mb and Camille has the second lowest landfalling pressure for the US(909mb) behind the 1935 storm at Matecumbe Key (892mb). Andrew's winds were 140ktG170kt, Camille's 160ktG190kt and the 1935 storm is estimated at 165kt. Given that Camille and the 1935 storm, like Andrew and Charley were tight compact and rapidly intensifying storms and given what we know about the probable existence of high intensity wind streaks in such storms (Celia in 1970 being another example), it is likely that peak gusts of 200kt or more are not at all impossible in Camille or the 1935 storm. Regardless, it is clear that Camille is the worse of the two when compared to Andrew.

Steve

[Lindaloo]

Thanks for the clarification Steve.

[EmeraldCoast1]

Although Andrew was a Cat 5 storm in 1992, Camille was much more than Andrew. Lowest pressure in Andrew was 922mb, lowest in Camille was 905mb and Camille has the second lowest landfalling pressure for the US(909mb) behind the 1935 storm at Matecumbe Key (892mb). Andrew's winds were 140ktG170kt, Camille's 160ktG190kt and the 1935 storm is estimated at 165kt. Given that Camille and the 1935 storm, like Andrew and Charley were tight compact and rapidly intensifying storms and given what we know about the probable existence of high intensity wind streaks in such storms (Celia in 1970 being another example), it is likely that peak gusts of 200kt or more are not at all impossible in Camille or the 1935 storm. Regardless, it is clear that Camille is the worse of the two when compared to Andrew.
Steve

I think it is also worth noting that Camille was able to push an enormous amount of water onshore due to the very shallow waters of the coast of Gulfport / Biloxi. Storm surge was much more destructive than Andrew.

[baygirl_1]

I was 4 when Camille hit. All I remember is being upset because the power went out and I couldn't see "The Wonderful World of Disney" and have my night light when I went to sleep! Of course, we didn't get it as bad on the Alabama coast, but my older sisters have told me just how bad it was here. Days later, we went over to Mississippi to see the damage to some of our favorite places. I remember a ship up on dry land in someone's side yard! That was a very scary storm!

[AL Chili Pepper]

I was 4 when Camille hit. All I remember is being upset because the power went out and I couldn't see "The Wonderful World of Disney" and have my night light when I went to sleep! Of course, we didn't get it as bad on the Alabama coast, but my older sisters have told me just how bad it was here. Days later, we went over to Mississippi to see the damage to some of our favorite places. I remember a ship up on dry land in someone's side yard! That was a very scary storm!

I remember that! I was six at the time. We went over to Keesler to pick up my dad's pay check the week after the storm, and the scene of the ocean liner in somebody's yard was etched into my mind for forever. And then, the big antebellum home across the road from the beach without a scratch on it. Also, the huge chunks of concrete that used to be an overpass tossed around the area like playthings.