JB may end up right just

[Vortex]

about a week late. Model consensus in very good agreement regarding a westward trend. The key word is trend. In addition, the models have all undeperformed on the strength on the ridge over the western atlantic. 12z Nogaps looks very reasonable...JB just may be right given his initial call for a landfall in florida

https://www.fnmoc.navy.mil/CGI/PUBLIC/w ... rp&tau=084

[Steve]

He backed off of that, but he was good with the idea of a Cat-2/Cat-3 off the coast. What he was particularly good at was identifing the remnants of Ivan getting back into the Gulf when it was still raining in Maryland. He just wasn't sure if it was Ivan, Jean, a combination, pieces parts, or what.

His loop idea and the idea that Jeanne would come back west was definitely in the forefront though.

Steve

[djti]

lol

[Steve]

Have you ever offered even a single post worth reading? Something? Anything? You can "lol" all you want in an otherwise civil discussion but you don't appear to have much value or worth to the forum.

Steve

[Canelaw99]

Ouch, Steve - that was harsh...

[Brent]

Have you ever offered even a single post worth reading? Something? Anything? You can "lol" all you want in an otherwise civil discussion but you don't appear to have much value or worth to the forum.

Steve

[yoda]

OK lets calm down here...

[Rainband]

Be nice guys and gals. Steve has a point. If you have a problem with someones forecast, offer something more than lol to dispute it. I mean science or meteorological data would be a start Besides that just respect one another and have fun.

[Steve]

Again, I don't mean to come off like a jerk. Everyone knows I read Bastardi. And I'll be the first one to take him to task when I think he's wrong. But just to be a chump on a thread for the sake of being a chump is out there. The guy tried the same thing yesterday and ended up having mf delete a bunch of posts in another 'otherwise civil' thread. If I knew how to link images without a helper button, I'd post the "Ban Him" guy from The Gladiator. (an obvious troll)

Steve

[Mattie]

Have you ever offered even a single post worth reading? Something? Anything? You can "lol" all you want in an otherwise civil discussion but you don't appear to have much value or worth to the forum.

Steve

That's what PM (PRIVATE messages are for)

[yoda]

Have you ever offered even a single post worth reading? Something? Anything? You can "lol" all you want in an otherwise civil discussion but you don't appear to have much value or worth to the forum.

Steve

That's what PM (PRIVATE messages are for)

True dat!

[vbhoutex]

Ok back to the first discussion please!! Point has been made. Mods are available by PM to handle situations as well as the "offending" parties. Please use it instead of discussing it on the open board.

BACK TO WEATHER DISCUSSION or at least a civil discussion of JB's obvious handle on this situation.

[djti]

for one....ol joe had this thing into the gulf well a weak ago....he wasnt "close"...he was in leftfield while everything else had jeanne moving ne....eventually she did move ne...then e...and then eventually looped.

thats the thing with the joe zealots......revisionist history assures he is always right.

[CourierPR]

I used to read Bastardi's columns when he was on the free site. Say what you want, but he is good at recognizing developing patterns in advance that will affect the development and movement of storms.

[Steve]

>>for one....ol joe had this thing into the gulf well a weak ago....he wasnt "close"...he was in leftfield while everything else had jeanne moving ne....eventually she did move ne...then e...and then eventually looped.

He said it would stall and loop. He thought Betsy. I said "not Betsy", maybe a loop.

Anything I said has nothing to do with revisionism. It has to do with points that were made in advance - some right, some wrong - when the official sources and modeling at that time argued for an eastward or NE trend (which continued with the GFS until today).

I wasn't defending him and wasn't the one who started the thread. I just added what I said (btw, I posetd on the confusion on Thursday, a day before he addressed it in his column) and challenged the pros on 3 different threads to sort out what it was we were facing in the tropics with all the potential interaction and a mega-ridge in the eastern CONUS.

Now maybe you simply did better and I apologize for missing your post if you did. But it seems sort of like Derecho bashing Joe as a Monday Morning QB on Charley when he was even worse than Joe with the one blurb I could find by him. Anyone who isn't man or woman enough to make their own prognostications really should reserve their criticism of others.

So I'll give you a chance to prove you don't belong on an ignore list in cyberspace somewhere djti. What happens with the remants of Ivan's MLC? You put out what you think, and we can compare that with what anyone else (including Bastardi thinks). Hey, he's so far out there right now that he's wondering if potential tropical mischief in the Southern Gulf for late next week may be another incarnation of Ivan (if not the pattern itself).

Step up to the plate before you trash others as revisionists. I may defend Joe because he's not here to do it himself, but until you give me a reason to listen to your hurricane forecasts or discussions, you're 100% persona non grata.

Steve

[Portastorm]

Well all I know is that JB called this re-initiation of Ivan days ago, despite all the critics.

Tolleris at WxRisk even up until today was saying that the system is NOT Ivan and that nothing would come of it. Heh, science would prove otherwise.