Jeanne likely actually landfalling as cat 2...per NHC

[Sean in New Orleans]

This thread should be locked, IMO. It's ridiculous, irrelevent, childish, and prudish to be arguing about such a point while this disaster is occurring.

[yoda]

This sounds like trolling to me....very very similar to the Ivan is a Cat 2 thread.....we want proof....etc. etc.

The NHC Set Maximum Surface Winds at 100 KT.

100 KT is a category 3.

There is proof through the dropsondes.

There is proof through surface reports.

Gusts don't have to be 20 MPH over a sustained wind....they can be as little as 1 MPH.

Jeanne is a category 3....end of discussion.

I suggest moderators to lock this topic before this becomes even more like the "Ivan is a Cat 2" thread.

I understand... what the real problem here is that EVEN THOUGH THE INTENSITY IS SET AT 100 KTS... the discussion IMPLIES otherwise...

In fact...sfmr and flight level
wind observations at this point do not quite support the 100 kt
intensity estimate...however the aircraft has not yet finished its survey of the Hurricane.

What surface reports may I inquire have CAT 3 sustained?

[DoctorHurricane2003]

*sigh* here we go again with surface reports.

Surface Reports, for the most part, do not necessarily successfully report sustained winds....especially with broken equipment (hey you may be getting a reading that is an hour old) There have been gusts to 122 MPH we know.......which, as I stated before, gusts don't have to be 20 MPH over a sustained wind to be a "gust".

[KeyLargoDave]

Less than 30 posts on this board, argumentative, about things that will surely be debated long after landfall, which is what's happening now = TROLL.

Oh, and as I write -- NHC official landafall 120 MPH, Stuart FLA.

[Chilly_Water]

Geez, did ANYONE read my post? It's all relative...

[yoda]

Less than 30 posts on this board, argumentative, about things that will surely be debated long after landfall, which is what's happening now = TROLL.

Oh, and as I write -- NHC official landafall 120 MPH, Stuart FLA.

Link please to what you say? I would like to see that please...

No one is a troll on this thread...

[Guest]

Max Mayfield said it is a 3

[JayPSU]

Less than 30 posts on this board, argumentative, about things that will surely be debated long after landfall, which is what's happening now = TROLL.

Oh, and as I write -- NHC official landafall 120 MPH, Stuart FLA.

Game, set, match on the Jeanne making landfall as a cat 2.

[Tri-State_1925]

I don't think Max Mayfield pushes too much weight on these matters around here for whatever reason...oh man

[drudd1]

I can understand the debate, but as I stated in another thread..........."I dont think us in Florida will care much about the label Jeanne gets, the damage will be with us for a long time to come irregardless."

[Anonymous]

Yeah Tri-State...I mean, who listens to the Director of the NHC nowadays? Every member on this board is the authority over tropical weather.

[NorthGaWeather]

WTNT61 KNHC 260359
TCUAT
BULLETIN
HURRICANE JEANNE UPDATE
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
1200 AM EDT SUN SEP 26 2004

AROUND 1150 PM EDT SATURDAY...THE CENTER OF HURRICANE JEANNE MADE
LANDFALL NEAR THE SOUTHERN END OF HUTCHINSON ISLAND JUST EAST OF
STUART FLORIDA...NEAR LATITUDE 27.2 NORTH...LONGITUDE 80.2 WEST.

RECENT OBSERVATIONS FROM THE STEPPED-FREQUENCY MICROWAVE RADIOMETER
INSTRUMENT ONBOARD A NOAA P-3 RESEARCH AIRCRAFT INDICATE THAT
JEANNE WAS A CATEGORY 3 HURRICANE ON THE SAFFIR-SIMPSON HURRICANE
SCALE AT LANDFALL...WITH MAXIMUM WINDS NEAR 120 MPH.

FORECASTER PASCH/FRANKLIN

I rest my case

[senorpepr]

WTNT61 KNHC 260359
TCUAT
BULLETIN
HURRICANE JEANNE UPDATE
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
1200 AM EDT SUN SEP 26 2004

AROUND 1150 PM EDT SATURDAY...THE CENTER OF HURRICANE JEANNE MADE
LANDFALL NEAR THE SOUTHERN END OF HUTCHINSON ISLAND JUST EAST OF
STUART FLORIDA...NEAR LATITUDE 27.2 NORTH...LONGITUDE 80.2 WEST.

RECENT OBSERVATIONS FROM THE STEPPED-FREQUENCY MICROWAVE RADIOMETER
INSTRUMENT ONBOARD A NOAA P-3 RESEARCH AIRCRAFT INDICATE THAT
JEANNE WAS A CATEGORY 3 HURRICANE ON THE SAFFIR-SIMPSON HURRICANE
SCALE AT LANDFALL...WITH MAXIMUM WINDS NEAR 120 MPH.

FORECASTER PASCH/FRANKLIN

I rest my case

Great... confirmation. Category three.

[Lockhart]

Indeed, it looks as though the earlier recon was actually undervaluing the winds slightly. So the discussion comment was smart. He didn't think Category 3 was borne out by the data they'd received, but he thought it would be by later data. He was right. The other viewpoint can hardly be called silly (or anything else), considering the NHC discussion writer mentioned that viewpoint as a reasonable possibility.

Let's hope it weakens quickly.

[senorpepr]

Indeed, it looks as though the earlier recon was actually undervaluing the winds slightly. So the discussion comment was smart. He didn't think Category 3 was borne out by the data they'd received, but he thought it would be by later data. He was right. The other viewpoint can hardly be called silly (or anything else), considering the NHC discussion writer mentioned that viewpoint as a reasonable possibility.

Let's hope it weakens quickly.

Exactly. That's why I was saying the things I was saying. Data at the time of landfall suggested cat two. However, like you and the NHC mentioned, there was more investigation to complete. Recon did their job and confirmed that Jeanne was a category three with winds of 120mph.

It's all about data.

[JTD]

BTW, Max Mayfield was on CNN and said "Jeanne is MUCH stronger than Frances" and CNN immediately put his comments onto the bottom of the screen.