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did the people have to right to know warning of this disater of whatever warning they should have had???????????

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#1 Postby hurricanefloyd5 » Mon Dec 27, 2004 9:42 am

Tsunami Waves Kill Over 21,000 in Asia
Aid Workers Rush to Areas Devastated by Tsunami Waves; Millions Homeless



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COLOMBO, Sri Lanka (Dec. 27) -- Rescuers piled up bodies along coastlines devastated by a tsunami that obliterated seaside towns in Asia and Africa, killing 21,000 people in nine countries. Hundreds of children were buried in mass graves in India, and morgues and hospitals struggled Monday to cope with the catastrophe.

The death toll rose sharply a day after the magnitude 9 quake struck deep beneath the Indian Ocean off the coast of Indonesia. It was the most powerful earthquake in the world in four decades.


WHAT HAPPENED?
Thousands of people were killed by tsunami waves in southern Asia Sunday.

ABOUT TSUNAMIS:
These tidal waves are set off by undersea earthquakes, landslides or volcanos.

HOW THEY WERE NAMED:
A combination of the Japanese terms for harbor and wave.
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A man deals with the loss of his home in India. (Reuters)



Walls of water sped away from the epicenter at more than 500 mph before crashing into the region's shorelines, sweeping people and fishing villages out to sea. Millions were displaced from their homes and thousands remained missing Monday.

"Death came from the sea," said Satya Kumari, a construction worker living on the outskirts of the former French enclave of Pondicherry in India.

"The waves just kept chasing us. It swept away all our huts. What did we do to deserve this?"

The governments of Indonesia and Thailand conceded that public warnings came too late or not at all. But officials insisted they could not know the seriousness of the threat because no tsunami warning system exists for the Indian Ocean.

Officials said the death toll would continue to rise, and the international Red Cross said it was concerned about waterborne diseases.

Sri Lanka said more than 10,000 people were killed along its coastlines, and Tamil rebels said 2,000 people died in its territory, raising that country's toll to more than 12,000.

Indonesia reported about 5,000 deaths and India 3,000. Thailand - a Western tourist hotspot - said hundreds of people were dead and thousands more were missing. Deaths also were reported in Malaysia, Maldives, Myanmar, Bangladesh and Somalia, 3,000 miles away in Africa.

On the remote Car Nicobar island northwest of Sumatra, Police Chief S.B. Deol told New Delhi Television he had reports that another 3,000 people may have died. If confirmed, that would raise India's death toll to 6,000 and the overall number to 23,900.

"The Andaman and Nicobar islands have been really badly hit,'' said Hakan Sandbladh, senior health officer at the Geneva headquarters of the International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies.

Offers of aid poured in from around the globe, as troops in the region struggled to deliver urgently needed aid to afflicted areas.


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In Bandah Aceh, Indonesia, 150 miles from the quake's epicenter, dozens of bloated bodies littered the streets as soldiers and desperate relatives searched for survivors Monday. Some 500 bodies collected by emergency workers lay under plastic tents, rotting in the tropical heat.

"We have ordered 15,000 troops into the field to search for survivors,'' Indonesian military spokesman Edy Sulistiadi said. "They are mostly retrieving corpses.''

Refugees in nearby Lhokseumawe, many of whom had spent the night sleeping outside on open ground, complained that little or no aid had reached them. The city's hospital said it was running out of medicine.

The Indian state of Tamil Nadu reported thousands of deaths. Chief Minister Jayaram Jayalalithaa called the scene "an extraordinary calamity of such colossal proportions that the damage has been unprecedented.''

Nearby beaches resembled open-air mortuaries as fishermen's bodies washed ashore, and retreating waters left behind others killed inland. In Cuddalore, red-eyed parents buried more than 150 children laid in a mass grave that a bulldozer filled with sodden earth.

The tsunamis came without warning. Witnesses said sea waters at first retreated far out into the ocean, only to return at a vicious pace. Some regions reported a crashing wall of water 20 feet high.

"The water went back, back, back, so far away, and everyone wondered what it was - a full moon or what? Then we saw the wave come, and we ran,'' said Katri Seppanen, who was in Thailand, on Phuket island's popular Patong beach.

Sri Lanka and Indonesia said at least 1 million people were driven from their homes in each country. Warships in Thailand steamed to remote tropical island resorts to search for survivors as air force helicopters in Sri Lanka and India rushed food and medicine to stricken areas.

In Indonesia, villagers near northern Lhokseumawe picked through the debris of their ruined houses amid the smell of decomposing bodies.

One man, Rajali, said his wife and two children were killed and he could not find dry ground to bury them. Islamic tradition demands that the deceased be buried as soon as possible.

"What shall I do?'' said the 55-year-old man, who, like many Indonesians, goes by a single name. "I don't know where to bury my wife and children.''


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Dozens of bodies still clad in swimming trunks lined beaches in Thailand.

In Sri Lanka - an island nation some 1,000 miles west of the epicenter - about 25,000 troops were deployed to crack down on sporadic, small-scale looting and to help in rescue efforts. About 200 inmates took advantage of the chaos, escaping from a prison in coastal Matara.

The U.S. Geological Survey said the quake's magnitude was 9.0 - the strongest since a 9.2-magnitude temblor in Alaska in 1964 and the fourth-largest in a century.

The quake occurred more than 6 miles deep and was followed by a half-dozen powerful aftershocks. A 620-mile section of a geological plate shifted, triggering the sudden displacement of water.

Countries around the world were touched. Italy reported 11 of its citizens had died; Norway 10; Britain four; the United States and Denmark three each; Australia, France, Sweden and Belgium two each; and New Zealand one.

Those numbers likely would rise. Sri Lanka said 72 foreign tourists were killed there, and Thailand said 35 of the dead were foreigners.

President Bush expressed his condolences over the "terrible loss of life and suffering.'' From the Vatican, Pope John Paul II led appeals for aid for victims, and the 25-nation European Union promised to quickly deliver $4 million.

Aid agencies and governments around the world began pouring relief supplies into the region Monday. Japan, China and Russia were among the countries sending teams of experts.

Jasmine Whitbread, international director of the aid group Oxfam, warned that without swift action, more people could die.

"The flood waters will have contaminated drinking water and food will be scarce,'' she said.

In Thailand, Gen. Chaisit Shinawatra, the army chief, said the United States has offered to send troops stationed on Japan's Okinawa island to assist. Thailand was considering the offer.

Tsunamis as large as Sunday's happen only a few times a century. A tsunami is a series of traveling ocean waves generated by geological disturbances near the ocean floor. With nothing to stop them, the waves can race across the ocean like the crack of a bullwhip, gaining momentum over thousands of miles.

An international tsunami warning system was started in 1965, after the Alaska quake, to advise coastal communities of a potentially killer wave.

Member states include the major Pacific rim nations in North America, Asia and South America. But because tsunamis are rare in the Indian Ocean, no system exists there. Scientists said deaths would have been reduced if one had.
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#2 Postby tronbunny » Tue Dec 28, 2004 9:55 pm

It is my understanding that there wouldn't have been much warning, anyway..but OF COURSE there should be a system in place.
Very sad it's too late.
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#3 Postby hurricanefloyd5 » Wed Dec 29, 2004 6:51 pm

BANDA ACEH, Indonesia (AP) - As the world scrambled to the rescue, survivors fought over packs of noodles in quake-stricken Indonesian streets Wednesday while relief supplies piled up at the airport for lack of cars, gas or passable roads to move them. The official death toll across 12 countries soared to near 77,000 and the Red Cross predicted it could pass 100,000.
Bodies were piled into mass graves to ward off disease. Paramedics in southern India began vaccinating thousands of survivors against cholera, typhoid, hepatitis A and dysentery, and authorities sprayed bleaching powder on beaches where bodies have been recovered. In Sri Lanka, reports of waterborne disease such as diarrhea caused fears of an epidemic.

President Bush announced the United States, India, Australia and Japan have formed an international coalition to coordinate relief and reconstruction of the 3,000 miles of Indian Ocean rim walloped by Sunday's earthquake and the tsunami it unleashed.

``We're facing a disaster of unprecedented proportion in nature,'' said Simon Missiri, a top Red Cross official. ``We're talking about a staggering death toll.''

On hundreds of Web sites, the messages were brief but poignant: ``Missing: Christina Blomee in Khao Lak,'' or simply, ``Where are you?'' All conveyed the aching desperation of people the world over whose friends and family went off in search of holiday-season sun and sand and haven't been heard from for four days.

But even as hope for the missing dwindled, survivors continued to turn up Wednesday. In Sri Lanka, where more than 22,000 died, a lone fisherman named Sini Mohammed Sarfudeen was rescued by an air force helicopter crew after clinging to his wave-tossed boat for three days.

Indian air force planes evacuated thousands of survivors from the remote island of Car Nicobar. Some of them had walked for days from their destroyed villages to reach a devastated but functioning airfield, where they were shuttled out 80 to 90 at a time.

Journalists were not allowed to leave the base to verify reports that some 8,000 people were dead there, but at the base alone, 67 officers and their families were missing and feared dead.

India's death toll rose to nearly 7,000, while Indonesia's stood at 45,268, but authorities said this did not include a full count from Sumatra's west coast, where more than 10,000 deaths were suspected in one town alone.

In Sumatra, the Florida-sized Indonesian island close to the epicenter of the quake, the view from the air was of whole villages ripped apart, covered in mud and seawater. In one of the few signs of life, a handful of desperate people scavenged a beach for food. On the streets of Banda Aceh, the main town of Sumatra's Aceh province, the military managed to drop supplies from vehicles and fights broke out over packs of instant noodles.

Maj. Gen. Endang Suwarya, military commander of Aceh province, said after flying over the stricken region that 75 percent of the west coast of Sumatra was destroyed.

Footage shot by an Associated Press Television News cameraman on the military helicopter showed town after town covered in mud and sea water. Homes had their roofs ripped off or were flattened.

A solitary mosque and green treetops were all that broke the line of water in one town.

With tens of thousands of people still missing across the entire region, Peter Ress, Red Cross operations support chief, said the death toll could top 100,000. More than 500,000 were reported injured.

``We have little hope, except for individual miracles,'' Jean-Marc Espalioux, chairman of the Accor hotel group, said of the search for thousands of tourists and locals missing from beach resorts of southern Thailand - including 2,000 Scandinavians.

The State Department said 12 Americans died in the disaster - seven in Sri Lanka and five in Thailand. About 2,000 to 3,000 Americans were unaccounted for.

Bush, at his ranch in Crawford, Texas, talked by phone Wednesday with leaders of Indonesia, Sri Lanka, Thailand and India.

``We're still in the stage of immediate help. But slowly but surely, the size of the problem will become known, particularly when it comes to rebuilding infrastructure and community to help these affected parts of the world get back up on their feet,'' Bush said afterward.

The Pentagon says it will divert several U.S. warships and helicopters to the region, some of which can produce up to 90,000 gallons of drinking water a day.

Without clean water, respiratory and waterborne diseases could break out within days, putting millions at ``grave risk,'' the U.N. children's agency said. ``Standing water can be just as deadly as moving water,'' said UNICEF Executive Director Carol Bellamy. ``The floods have contaminated the water systems, leaving people with little choice but to use unclean surface water.''

Near Banda Aceh, trucks dumped more than 1,000 bloated, unidentified bodies into pits. There was no choice, given the danger of disease and the difficulty of identifying any of the dead, said military Col. Achmad Yani Basuki.

Thailand said it had more than 1,800 dead and a total of more than 300 were killed in Malaysia, Myanmar, Bangladesh, the Maldives, Somalia, Tanzania and Kenya.

In Sri Lanka, four planes arrived in the capital bringing a mobile hospital from Finland, a water purification plant from Germany, doctors and medicine from Japan and aid workers from Britain, the Red Cross said.

Supplies that included 175 tons of rice and 100 doctors reached Banda Aceh but officials said they were having difficulty moving it out.

Widespread looting was reported in Thailand's devastated resort islands of Phuket and Phi Phi, where European and Australian tourists left valuables behind in wrecked hotels when they fled - or were swept away.

An international airlift was under way to ferry critical aid and medicine to Phuket and to take home shellshocked travelers, some with nothing but the clothes they were wearing. France, Australia, Greece, Italy, Germany and Sweden were sending flights.

The world's biggest reinsurer, Germany's Munich Re, estimated the damage to buildings and foundations in the affected regions would be at least $13.6 billion.

Relief donations came in from all parts of the globe, from governments and from ordinary people who gave blood, money - even frequent flier miles - to help.

Taxi drivers in Singapore put donation cans in their cars. In Thailand, volunteers used trucks with loudspeakers to solicit donations of food and clothing, and there were long lines to donate blood at the Red Cross.

Hong Kong's kung fu movie hero Jackie Chan gave $64,000 to UNICEF, and Asia's richest man, Li Ka-shing, also of Hong Kong, gave $3.1 million to relief efforts.

Associated Press reporters Lely Djuhari in Banda Aceh, Manish Swaroop in Car Nicobar, India, Dilip Ganguly in Colombo, Sri Lanka, and Alisa Tang in Phuket, Thailand contributed to this report. :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
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#4 Postby LAwxrgal » Thu Dec 30, 2004 10:07 pm

It's beyond sad, and what's sadder is that people had NO WARNING this was coming.

I don't know if it's possible to install some sort of warning system.
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#5 Postby Guest » Thu Dec 30, 2004 11:04 pm

LAwxrgal wrote:
I don't know if it's possible to install some sort of warning system.


Never say never! BUT... I haven't heard of an acceptable warning system for these sort of events.
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#6 Postby michaelwmoss » Sun Jan 02, 2005 10:34 pm

This begs the question though: How do you predict something like this in advance???
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#7 Postby Cat5survivor » Mon Jan 03, 2005 3:30 pm

It seems that not only were the people not warned, they had NO idea what it even was. In some of the villages the elders were having the children gather the fish that were coming up on shore before the true Tsumani waves hit. This is horrendous and these governments should be responsible for their stupidity. :grr:
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#8 Postby imagery » Mon Jan 03, 2005 7:16 pm

Last report ... about 140K dead. :(

I think the Pacific Ocean has a network of buoys that can detect disturbances in the sea ( http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/ and http://www.prh.noaa.gov/ptwc/ ). From listening to news reports, there was talk last year of implementing the same system in the Indian Ocean, but the countries who would foot the bill declined to do so. :x

Even if the system was in place, you still run into the problem of how do you alert thousands of miles of coastline spanning several different countries in just a couple hours? I mean, I don't even know if something like that's possible on the pacific coast of the US. So much area is so little time. I'm sure the more populated areas would be alerted (Los Angeles, San Deigo, San Fancisco), but a lot would never hear the warning.

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#9 Postby michaelwmoss » Mon Jan 03, 2005 11:53 pm

The fact of the matter is, it isn't possible to warn and evacuate that many people in a short period of time. You would also have thousands of people who would refuse to leave.

There are some things in this world that are out of and always will be out of our control. We can only do so much.
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#10 Postby ohiostorm » Tue Jan 04, 2005 12:34 am

I heard there were warnings sent out but they dont have as much technology as most countries do to get the warning out to all the people in such a short amount of time. It's not like its a hurricane or soemthing that they have days to prepare.
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#11 Postby michaelwmoss » Tue Jan 04, 2005 1:12 am

Exactly. Even though they know it's an active area seimatically, they just can't predict how strong and when these quakes are going to happen soon enough to get people to safety.
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#12 Postby cswitwer » Wed Jan 05, 2005 1:42 pm

Rumor has it there will be a rudimentary detection system in place for the affected coast by March '05. I read that somewhere--Seattle Times maybe? If you're interested, look up interviews with Brian Atwater for the past few days. He's been talking about it some.
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#13 Postby hurricanefloyd5 » Fri Jan 21, 2005 1:58 pm

thw NTC (national Tsunami center) issued a Tsunami warning for the coast of Japan because a 6.0 earthquake struck the coast last week!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
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