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Do we in planet earth are the only ones in universe?

#1 Postby cycloneye » Sat May 03, 2003 6:52 pm

In the vast universe I think that we are not the only ones in the universe but there is another life out there in a galaxy this is my opinion so what is yours?
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#2 Postby Stormsfury » Sat May 03, 2003 7:01 pm

There HAS to be life outside of Earth. There's so much uncharted territory in space that to believe we are the only lifeforms in the entire universe is just unfathomable.
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#3 Postby Derek Ortt » Sat May 03, 2003 8:11 pm

Of course there is, and this would not go against the biblical teachings either as it says God created the heavans, but never said what he put in them. Plus, it would just mean that our evangelical mission is larger than just spreading the word of Christ to those on this planet
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#4 Postby streetsoldier » Sat May 03, 2003 8:19 pm

Aw, c'mon, Derek! Was that statement truly germane to this thread, not to mention "necessary"? :roll:
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#5 Postby mamadude » Sat May 03, 2003 8:24 pm

True, god created the heavens and the earth, I guarantee there is more to the heavens than just us beings here on earth, and street soldier, his comment was as necessary as yours or mine...its all opinion so let him say what he feels, and you say what you feel, and I say what i feel....without rude remarks....deal?
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#6 Postby streetsoldier » Sat May 03, 2003 8:33 pm

mamadude, the afore-mentioned remarks were not "rude" at all....what IS "rude" is that there are people who are SO convinced of their "cornering the market" on spiritual matters, that they feel compelled to push their agendae "lapsis liguae", even on beings we may come in contact with centuries from now.

That's not merely "rude", mamadude, it's arrogantly presumptive...and I stand by my previous statement.
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#7 Postby Derek Ortt » Sat May 03, 2003 8:59 pm

I just believe in what the Bible says. If that makes me a bad person, then I'm glad to be a bad person
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#8 Postby coriolis » Sat May 03, 2003 10:17 pm

If God made other worlds, I might think that he'd be working with them too.

My answer to the question is based on the general principle that every time humans thought they had everything figured out, something was discovered that challanged that belief. There was an article in the December 2002/January2003 issue of Natural History magazine that deals with this. Of course people first thought that the earth was flat, then discoveries were made to show that it's round. Then people thought that the earth was the center of the solar system and discoveries were made that showed that the earth went around the sun. Then people thought that all the stars went around our solar system and discoveries were made that show our solar system in the relative suburbs of our galaxy. Then they thought that our galaxy was all there was, and then they discovered other galaxies in our universe. That's about where we are at. But who is to say that there's not other universes.

Throughout the history of these discoveries it seems that the scientists have been at odds with the faithful. Especially back when Copernicus proposed a sun-centered solar system. It seems that every time there was a question of science vs faith, science won. Some people are fooled into thinking that science rules. Rather than that, I think that matters of faith and matters of science are just of a different nature, and don't mix. One is of the spirit, and the other is of the world. People are afraid of the unknown, and resist when their horizons are expanded.

My faith is not challenged by an ever expanding knowledge of the universe. Hey if God is infinite, he's infinite. We can't fathom that with our little pea brains. I'll bet that what we've discovered so far is just scratching the surface. And no matter what we discover, it's still finite.

So could there be other life out there? Sure! God is big enough for that.
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#9 Postby WidreMann » Sat May 03, 2003 10:23 pm

I also happen to think that science and religion don't have to be at odds. Like you said, science deals with the physical world and religion with the spiritual world. The two overlap only in humans (or any other intelligent being or being with a soul, etc.). But since the physical world does matter to us, and is meaningful, it makes sense that we would confuse and mix the two, and in an early phase of history, when we knew little of how the universe really works, it makes sense that we would use the spiritual world as an explanation for the physical world. Science has deconstructed this. I don't think that science has destroyed religion, but is rather putting it back in its proper place, which is not cosmology, geology, etc. It's spirituality pure and simple.
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#10 Postby coriolis » Sat May 03, 2003 10:32 pm

Well said Widremann.

Here's another thought. Science without a moral or ethical foundation is dangerous, just as religion without an appreciation for science is equally dangerous. Perhaps the overlap you mentioned is necessary.

And that's why I stay out of those evolution/creationism debates.
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#11 Postby Aslkahuna » Sat May 03, 2003 10:46 pm

about the ExtraSolar Planets we HAVE discovered, it would appear that Terran type Planets may be an exception rather than a rule and given the very narrow time frame that we have been on ours, it is unlikely that we would encountered any other technological lifeforms in our own Galaxy (and we probably would not want too since they would probably be more like ID4 than E.T.). However, if you accept the notion of one technological civilization per Galaxy at any one time then that would imply billions upon billions of them are present within the Universe.

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#12 Postby coriolis » Sat May 03, 2003 11:15 pm

ID4? Are they like klingons?
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#13 Postby mf_dolphin » Sun May 04, 2003 7:43 am

I personally beliee that life on other planets is highly likely. I also have no problems with the evolutionists. We insist on placing human timeframes to Gods work. While God could have made everything in an instant there's nothing I read in the bible that says that happened :-)

As long as scientists are human, mistakes will be made and corrected by the next generation. This is called learning :-) The fact that even though we have advanced so far in our knowledge, there are many many things that are beyond our understanding is proof that a higher force is in place.
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#14 Postby azsnowman » Sun May 04, 2003 8:19 am

Big Dave, Justjake, where are you???? "LOL!" WHEW, good thing Big Dave can't get here from work, this thread would be ALL over the place by now!

Yes, I believe we are not the only ones in the infinite universe!

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#15 Postby azskyman » Sun May 04, 2003 9:23 am

If there are those on this earth who believe that 20 virgins await them if they crash a jetliner into a skyscraper full of people, then there is clearly room to make the argument that the human mind and senses can not begin to fathom the magnitude of the universe and all it has to offer.

We are limited by that which we can think, smell, taste, see, and feel...and nourish our understanding with hot dogs and fries.

Why, the very notion that I could make someone cry or hate or laugh by poking these plastic keys is unexplainable to me...so as humans we are woefully inadequate to comprehend the bigger picture.

Of course there is life elsewhere...and unlike ours seems to be much of the time...it could easily be "intelligent."

Having a connection with God in no way rules in, or out, any such likelihood. And it need not be proven to be fact.
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#16 Postby Skywatch_NC » Sun May 04, 2003 1:25 pm

It'd be GREAT if Dave and Jake could make it over to here! :D

As for opinions in general...that's what makes America even more Beautiful! :)

Eric :)
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#17 Postby rainstorm » Sun May 04, 2003 2:13 pm

i dont think there is life anywhere outside the earth. there are too many things that have to be absolutely perfect for life to exist. i am at a loss how life even began as i canrt accept that a single cell organism developed from basically a chemical soup. anyway , in one sense i look at the earth as one large living organism.
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#18 Postby JQ Public » Sun May 04, 2003 3:16 pm

I always thought there were aliens. Now i have no idea how that factors into the religious arena though. i try to stay out of that.
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#19 Postby WidreMann » Sun May 04, 2003 5:37 pm

Well, it's not so easy to say that there aren't that many terrestrial planets right now because of our current level of observation technology. We can only detect planets that are very large, around the size of Jupiter, but perhaps somewhat smaller (but still much larger than Earth), and some 3 to 5 times larger than Jupiter. To say that since we haven't found any other terrestrial planets really means nothing. We can't find terrestrial planets, even if we wanted to, so we have to wait before saying that there aren't any.
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#20 Postby ColdFront77 » Sun May 04, 2003 6:23 pm

It is hard to believe that there are other living beings besides here on Earth. No one on Earth has ever met another being from another planet, etc.
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