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100% sure that those two names will never return after this season
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CrazyC83 wrote:As far as likelihood of retirement in my opinion:
Ian - 100%
Fiona - 95% (either the US or Canada could do it)
All others - <2% (nothing else has really affected land at all)
typhoonty wrote:CrazyC83 wrote:As far as likelihood of retirement in my opinion:
Ian - 100%
Fiona - 95% (either the US or Canada could do it)
All others - <2% (nothing else has really affected land at all)
Fiona is a lock for being retired. Canada is EXTREMELY liberal in asking for retirement. Juan and Igor killed a combined 8 people directly in Canada and both were asked to be retired. Fiona is far more costly and has killed 3. It's gone.
Sciencerocks wrote:The wikipedia Hermine page says it killed 33 people!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropical_Storm_Hermine_(2022)
More than 100 people were rescued on September 24 and 25 while many others may have gone missing. One boat carrying 34 people was lost in the storm; only one person survived and was rescued after drifting at sea for nine days.
Iceresistance wrote:Sciencerocks wrote:The wikipedia Hermine page says it killed 33 people!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropical_Storm_Hermine_(2022)
More than 100 people were rescued on September 24 and 25 while many others may have gone missing. One boat carrying 34 people was lost in the storm; only one person survived and was rescued after drifting at sea for nine days.
With this exceptional havoc over Canary Islands, I'm giving Hermine a 40-50% chance of being retired.
NorthieStangl wrote:Iceresistance wrote:Sciencerocks wrote:The wikipedia Hermine page says it killed 33 people!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropical_Storm_Hermine_(2022)
More than 100 people were rescued on September 24 and 25 while many others may have gone missing. One boat carrying 34 people was lost in the storm; only one person survived and was rescued after drifting at sea for nine days.
With this exceptional havoc over Canary Islands, I'm giving Hermine a 40-50% chance of being retired.
Spain isn't on the hurricane committee though.
Category5Kaiju wrote:typhoonty wrote:CrazyC83 wrote:As far as likelihood of retirement in my opinion:
Ian - 100%
Fiona - 95% (either the US or Canada could do it)
All others - <2% (nothing else has really affected land at all)
Fiona is a lock for being retired. Canada is EXTREMELY liberal in asking for retirement. Juan and Igor killed a combined 8 people directly in Canada and both were asked to be retired. Fiona is far more costly and has killed 3. It's gone.
This sort of got me wondering, but I wonder why Canada is very liberal in storm retirement while Mexico is like the very opposite of that
Nuno wrote:I'd argue Gulf storms really need to be Cat. 4/5 or unusually high death totals for retirement consideration at this point.
Teban54 wrote:Nuno wrote:I'd argue Gulf storms really need to be Cat. 4/5 or unusually high death totals for retirement consideration at this point.
I think the US is already doing that by not requesting retirement of Imelda, Sally, Delta and Zeta. (And Isaias though it wasn't in the Gulf.)
aspen wrote:Teban54 wrote:Nuno wrote:I'd argue Gulf storms really need to be Cat. 4/5 or unusually high death totals for retirement consideration at this point.
I think the US is already doing that by not requesting retirement of Imelda, Sally, Delta and Zeta. (And Isaias though it wasn't in the Gulf.)
I think Zeta is the only CONUS major landfalling storm to not get officially retired, but since the entire Greek alphabet is scrapped and the Atlantic doesn’t have a Z spot, it technically is a retired storm.
I don’t get why Isaias wasn’t retired though. It’s not like there were multiple other billion-dollar East Coast landfalls in 2020 like there were in the Gulf.
Teban54 wrote:Nuno wrote:I'd argue Gulf storms really need to be Cat. 4/5 or unusually high death totals for retirement consideration at this point.
I think the US is already doing that by not requesting retirement of Imelda, Sally, Delta and Zeta. (And Isaias though it wasn't in the Gulf.)
aspen wrote:I don’t get why Isaias wasn’t retired though. It’s not like there were multiple other billion-dollar East Coast landfalls in 2020 like there were in the Gulf.
Nuno wrote:Category5Kaiju wrote:typhoonty wrote:
Fiona is a lock for being retired. Canada is EXTREMELY liberal in asking for retirement. Juan and Igor killed a combined 8 people directly in Canada and both were asked to be retired. Fiona is far more costly and has killed 3. It's gone.
This sort of got me wondering, but I wonder why Canada is very liberal in storm retirement while Mexico is like the very opposite of that
I would imagine frequency? Mexico gets hit every season usually by several storms on both sides of the coast. It has to be really bad for them. Canada doesn't really get many storms and thus its a bigger deal, but it is still absolutely insane that they requested Igor's retirement. Now after Fiona with more extensive widespread damage and unusually low barometric pressure, hopefully IMO that bar is raised. Fiona is worthy of retirement imo all around, but we can't just retire every storm that makes landfall and causes $200-500mil in damage in this day and age. I'd argue Gulf storms really need to be Cat. 4/5 or unusually high death totals for retirement consideration at this point.
CrazyC83 wrote:Nuno wrote:Category5Kaiju wrote:
This sort of got me wondering, but I wonder why Canada is very liberal in storm retirement while Mexico is like the very opposite of that
I would imagine frequency? Mexico gets hit every season usually by several storms on both sides of the coast. It has to be really bad for them. Canada doesn't really get many storms and thus its a bigger deal, but it is still absolutely insane that they requested Igor's retirement. Now after Fiona with more extensive widespread damage and unusually low barometric pressure, hopefully IMO that bar is raised. Fiona is worthy of retirement imo all around, but we can't just retire every storm that makes landfall and causes $200-500mil in damage in this day and age. I'd argue Gulf storms really need to be Cat. 4/5 or unusually high death totals for retirement consideration at this point.
It's really a sense of whether or not a storm is memorable for a region. In the case of Canada, those were very memorable storms. By contrast, other storms that hit there - like Larry last year, or Earl in 2010 - were not exactly memorable even though they were of only slightly lower intensity.
Fiona likely blew the damage numbers out of the water - I'm guessing it was Canada's first billion-dollar hurricane. It was already likely retired though from what it did in Puerto Rico.
aspen wrote:I think Zeta is the only CONUS major landfalling storm to not get officially retired, but since the entire Greek alphabet is scrapped and the Atlantic doesn’t have a Z spot, it technically is a retired storm.
I don’t get why Isaias wasn’t retired though. It’s not like there were multiple other billion-dollar East Coast landfalls in 2020 like there were in the Gulf.
Teban54 wrote:Nuno wrote:I'd argue Gulf storms really need to be Cat. 4/5 or unusually high death totals for retirement consideration at this point.
I think the US is already doing that by not requesting retirement of Imelda, Sally, Delta and Zeta. (And Isaias though it wasn't in the Gulf.)
Category5Kaiju wrote:CrazyC83 wrote:Nuno wrote:
I would imagine frequency? Mexico gets hit every season usually by several storms on both sides of the coast. It has to be really bad for them. Canada doesn't really get many storms and thus its a bigger deal, but it is still absolutely insane that they requested Igor's retirement. Now after Fiona with more extensive widespread damage and unusually low barometric pressure, hopefully IMO that bar is raised. Fiona is worthy of retirement imo all around, but we can't just retire every storm that makes landfall and causes $200-500mil in damage in this day and age. I'd argue Gulf storms really need to be Cat. 4/5 or unusually high death totals for retirement consideration at this point.
It's really a sense of whether or not a storm is memorable for a region. In the case of Canada, those were very memorable storms. By contrast, other storms that hit there - like Larry last year, or Earl in 2010 - were not exactly memorable even though they were of only slightly lower intensity.
Fiona likely blew the damage numbers out of the water - I'm guessing it was Canada's first billion-dollar hurricane. It was already likely retired though from what it did in Puerto Rico.
Interesting to think that hypothetically, had Karl 2010 hit Canada instead and killed 22 and caused $3.9 billion in damage, it would have gotten retired instantly. Had Karl 2010 hit the US and inflicted the same amount of damage, it would have likely not been retired.
NorthieStangl wrote:Category5Kaiju wrote:CrazyC83 wrote:
It's really a sense of whether or not a storm is memorable for a region. In the case of Canada, those were very memorable storms. By contrast, other storms that hit there - like Larry last year, or Earl in 2010 - were not exactly memorable even though they were of only slightly lower intensity.
Fiona likely blew the damage numbers out of the water - I'm guessing it was Canada's first billion-dollar hurricane. It was already likely retired though from what it did in Puerto Rico.
Interesting to think that hypothetically, had Karl 2010 hit Canada instead and killed 22 and caused $3.9 billion in damage, it would have gotten retired instantly. Had Karl 2010 hit the US and inflicted the same amount of damage, it would have likely not been retired.
That's because Canada has only about a tenth of the population of the US. Therefore, $3.9 billion in the USA would be equivalent to approximately $39 billion in Canada. That's why Juan was retired despite only $200 million, and Igor with only $100 million. And Canada isn't "liberal" when it comes to retiring hurricane names. They literally had done it only TWICE so far. That's nothing, especially compared to Australia!
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