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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#1081 Postby TheProfessor » Thu Jan 09, 2020 11:42 am

1900hurricane wrote:That is about how I understand it too. A slower system in a blockier regime often features a more unidirectional wind field, a symptom of a more stacked system (less overall veering of winds with height). There's basically always some irregularity in the wind field in actuality, i.e. it's never a perfect and constant veering with height, but with a more unidirectional wind field, any irregularity gets magnified.

I'm not sure if this is the same resource TheProfessor is referring to, but here's a recorded presentation from AMS on backing aloft in a supercell environment.

How Much does “Backing Aloft” Actually Impact a Supercell?


Yep, that's the same guy who did the study.
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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#1082 Postby cheezyWXguy » Thu Jan 09, 2020 11:46 am

Thanks for the responses, Professor and 1900Hurricane. Reed seems like he's on board, but I've often heard that backing below 3km is much larger detriment than above it. With the backing occurring around 2km, I'm guessing this has a lot to do with why the initial supercells are expected to grow upscale so quickly.
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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#1083 Postby Brent » Thu Jan 09, 2020 11:52 am

:spam: In Lake Tahoe really just started snowing for real

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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#1084 Postby cheezyWXguy » Thu Jan 09, 2020 11:53 am

12z GFS shows a slightly more negatively tilted trough, and quite a bit less VBV than the NAM does.
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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#1085 Postby bubba hotep » Thu Jan 09, 2020 12:23 pm

12z GFS shows 3 potential winter wx events for DFW over the next two weeks :roll:
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#1086 Postby bubba hotep » Thu Jan 09, 2020 12:30 pm

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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#1087 Postby Texas Snow » Thu Jan 09, 2020 12:41 pm



Was just about to post this. As much as I want the actual snow, I actually more need the THREAT of snow. My kids have an ALL DAY swim meet Saturday and I would LOVE it to be cancelled. Mostly for me :ggreen: but they also both just had their wisdom teeth out so its not going to be their best effort anyway. Best to just call it off now I think :cheesy:

But yes, would love to see flakes flying no matter what.
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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#1088 Postby rwfromkansas » Thu Jan 09, 2020 1:13 pm

At least some models are showing some hope. I am not going to get really interested until it's about 4 days away due to being burned so much. But, we need to start seeing chances to get a couple of busts to finally get one that happens.
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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#1089 Postby gboudx » Thu Jan 09, 2020 1:23 pm

rwfromkansas wrote:At least some models are showing some hope. I am not going to get really interested until it's about 4 days away due to being burned so much. But, we need to start seeing chances to get a couple of busts to finally get one that happens.


That's still too much time. Change to hours, or better yet, minutes.
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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#1090 Postby somethingfunny » Thu Jan 09, 2020 2:04 pm

There's a lot of jittery nerves here in North Dallas and Richardson about tomorrow's storms. Reconstruction on my house from October's tornado probably won't be finished until August. The odds of one hitting me again are astronomical... Right? :roll:
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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#1091 Postby cheezyWXguy » Thu Jan 09, 2020 2:41 pm

18z HRRR is noteworthy. Like on the 12z, initiation occurs west of DFW. Instability is approaching 2000j/kg and VBV is minimal.
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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#1092 Postby Haris » Thu Jan 09, 2020 2:50 pm

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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#1093 Postby Haris » Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:47 pm

Well that NAM certainly threw a wrench into the forecast.
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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#1094 Postby cheezyWXguy » Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:55 pm

Haris wrote:Well that NAM certainly threw a wrench into the forecast.


What do you mean?
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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#1095 Postby Cpv17 » Thu Jan 09, 2020 4:08 pm

cheezyWXguy wrote:
Haris wrote:Well that NAM certainly threw a wrench into the forecast.


What do you mean?


The latest run of the NAM has backed off quite a bit.
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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#1096 Postby cheezyWXguy » Thu Jan 09, 2020 4:15 pm

Cpv17 wrote:
cheezyWXguy wrote:
Haris wrote:Well that NAM certainly threw a wrench into the forecast.


What do you mean?


The latest run of the NAM has backed off quite a bit.

In terms of the precipitation depiction, I think it looks a little weird. For about 3 hours, it shows what appears to be initiation just west of dfw but doesnt really do anything, then a narrow line goes through. This doesnt really seem to jive with the conditions it shows in my opinion, because it actually shows more instability, higher SRH values, and less VBV than the 12z.
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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#1097 Postby starsfan65 » Thu Jan 09, 2020 4:26 pm

cheezyWXguy wrote:
Cpv17 wrote:
cheezyWXguy wrote:
What do you mean?


The latest run of the NAM has backed off quite a bit.

In terms of the precipitation depiction, I think it looks a little weird. For about 3 hours, it shows what appears to be initiation just west of dfw but doesnt really do anything, then a narrow line goes through. This doesnt really seem to jive with the conditions it shows in my opinion, because it actually shows more instability, higher SRH values, and less VBV than the 12z.
I don't agree with this model run.
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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#1098 Postby bubba hotep » Thu Jan 09, 2020 4:33 pm

cheezyWXguy wrote:
Cpv17 wrote:
cheezyWXguy wrote:
What do you mean?


The latest run of the NAM has backed off quite a bit.

In terms of the precipitation depiction, I think it looks a little weird. For about 3 hours, it shows what appears to be initiation just west of dfw but doesnt really do anything, then a narrow line goes through. This doesnt really seem to jive with the conditions it shows in my opinion, because it actually shows more instability, higher SRH values, and less VBV than the 12z.


Looks like a stronger cap in place vs 12z, temps are a bit warmer between 850 - 700mb.
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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#1099 Postby newtotex » Thu Jan 09, 2020 4:37 pm

bubba hotep wrote:
cheezyWXguy wrote:
Cpv17 wrote:
The latest run of the NAM has backed off quite a bit.

In terms of the precipitation depiction, I think it looks a little weird. For about 3 hours, it shows what appears to be initiation just west of dfw but doesnt really do anything, then a narrow line goes through. This doesnt really seem to jive with the conditions it shows in my opinion, because it actually shows more instability, higher SRH values, and less VBV than the 12z.


Looks like a stronger cap in place vs 12z, temps are a bit warmer between 850 - 700mb.



Has initiation for the storms tomorrow moved further East or will the cap help to create more instability here in DFW proper?
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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#1100 Postby cheezyWXguy » Thu Jan 09, 2020 4:50 pm

bubba hotep wrote:
cheezyWXguy wrote:
Cpv17 wrote:
The latest run of the NAM has backed off quite a bit.

In terms of the precipitation depiction, I think it looks a little weird. For about 3 hours, it shows what appears to be initiation just west of dfw but doesnt really do anything, then a narrow line goes through. This doesnt really seem to jive with the conditions it shows in my opinion, because it actually shows more instability, higher SRH values, and less VBV than the 12z.


Looks like a stronger cap in place vs 12z, temps are a bit warmer between 850 - 700mb.

I dunno...capping looking pretty minimal in DFW between 22z and 0z, only about -15 j/kg CIN, which is about in line with previous runs. Temps dont look crazy different either, but it looks like 700mb level is more saturated.
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