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#1781 Postby SouthernMet » Mon Dec 29, 2014 6:24 pm

Ralph's Weather wrote:It is only 8 in Denver right now with snow, they are not supposed to reach 0 tomorrow. Only made it into the mid 40s here when upper 50s were forecasted a couple days ago, the sun never broke out here.


Check this out : http://www.spc.noaa.gov/exper/sref/fplu ... YP=roadmap

even the SREF was off by about 3-4 degrees too warm last night fwiw.
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#1782 Postby ndale » Mon Dec 29, 2014 6:28 pm

EWX has moved the freezing rain over into my area according to their latest point forecast.
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Re: Texas Winter 2014-2015

#1783 Postby Portastorm » Mon Dec 29, 2014 6:28 pm

SouthernMet wrote:Winter Storm Watch up for a large portion of west texas, for ice accumulations.

Unbelievable how quiet it is in on here.


I've got nothing to add to what I wrote this morning. Still think model guidance too warm and that freezing rain will impact the I-35 corridor by New Years morning and possibly New Years Eve. Tomorrow will be a very interesting day to see what changes, if any, guidance provides and how the Texas-based NWSFOs handle things.

I've never seen a 1050+ mb high as close as Kansas in winter with Arctic origins which kept Austin's temperature max above freezing. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Austin's temperature stayed at or around or below 32 on New Years Day.

That's all I got at the moment. :wink:
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#1784 Postby ndale » Mon Dec 29, 2014 6:39 pm

:uarrow: It appears that EWX is ever so slowly moving their freezing rain line eastward. Will see what they do by tomorrow.
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#1785 Postby TexasF6 » Mon Dec 29, 2014 6:50 pm

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Re: Texas Winter 2014-2015

#1786 Postby Longhornmaniac8 » Mon Dec 29, 2014 7:08 pm

TexasF6 wrote:http://wx.hamweather.com/maps/currents/apparenttemp/us.html
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So we have temperatures at 13 near Dalhart (hard to tell exactly what station that is), and it's 54 in Lubbock(ish)? Let me say again how confident I am that these temperatures will verify...riiiight
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Re: Texas Winter 2014-2015

#1787 Postby SouthernMet » Mon Dec 29, 2014 7:10 pm

After looking at all the latest data, atm it looks like the bullseye for ice accumulations will be between Abilene-Mineral Wells. This could change, stay tuned...
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#1788 Postby Tammie » Mon Dec 29, 2014 7:12 pm

Did the NWS remove our "Special Weather Statement" for North Texas? Looks like they are changing their forecasts literally from model run to model run now. Just a little confusing/frustrating that they keep altering their forecast every 3 hours. JMO.
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#1789 Postby SouthernMet » Mon Dec 29, 2014 7:15 pm

Tammie wrote:Did the NWS remove our "Special Weather Statement" for North Texas? Looks like they are changing their forecasts literally from model run to model run now. Just a little confusing/frustrating that they keep altering their forecast every 3 hours. JMO.


This is a very, & I mean very, difficult forecast to make. Freezing Rain is the hardest precip type to forecast... Also the models are being bipolar with the timing and this effects everything, nws is playing catch up, adjusting accordingly.

edit : they did lower temps wednesday night/thursday
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Re: Texas Winter 2014-2015

#1790 Postby weatherguy425 » Mon Dec 29, 2014 7:15 pm

Longhornmaniac8 wrote:
TexasF6 wrote:http://wx.hamweather.com/maps/currents/apparenttemp/us.html
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So we have temperatures at 13 near Dalhart (hard to tell exactly what station that is), and it's 54 in Lubbock(ish)? Let me say again how confident I am that these temperatures will verify...riiiight


Keep in mind, those are apparent, or 'feels like' temperatures. Those values are not actual temperatures.
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Re: Texas Winter 2014-2015

#1791 Postby Longhornmaniac8 » Mon Dec 29, 2014 7:16 pm

weatherguy425 wrote:
Longhornmaniac8 wrote:
TexasF6 wrote:http://wx.hamweather.com/maps/currents/apparenttemp/us.html
:roll:


So we have temperatures at 13 near Dalhart (hard to tell exactly what station that is), and it's 54 in Lubbock(ish)? Let me say again how confident I am that these temperatures will verify...riiiight


Keep in mind, those are apparent, or 'feels like' temperatures. Those values are not actual temperatures.


Doh! Reading helps.
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#1792 Postby TeamPlayersBlue » Mon Dec 29, 2014 7:27 pm

Nice snow being laid down in front of the approaching HP too. Looks like the front is through Amarillo, lets see how the temp drops.
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Re: Texas Winter 2014-2015

#1793 Postby weatherguy425 » Mon Dec 29, 2014 7:28 pm

Also, I'm sure this has already been said - just in a different way...

I don't think the big issue is with forecast models being 'too warm', rather they are struggling with how far south this cold air-mass pushes. Within a reasonable margin of error, data isnt 'busting' left and right like previous outbreaks have.

For example GFS MOS data and NAM MET data have Lubbock in the 10-15 range the next two mornings, with highs in the middle 20s both Tuesday and Wednesday. Is that a 'bust' too warm? Not in my opinion, though I don't see a 10-15 diurnal range under thick cloud cover. However, further south, models will be too warm simply because they are underestimating the physics behind a dense, cold, air-mass. They 'like' to move south... In a hurry... If the patterns favors it.
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Re: Texas Winter 2014-2015

#1794 Postby TexasF6 » Mon Dec 29, 2014 7:46 pm

Yes apparent temps. True temps are also awesome and not following the models!!!
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#1795 Postby davidiowx » Mon Dec 29, 2014 8:07 pm

TeamPlayersBlue wrote:Nice snow being laid down in front of the approaching HP too. Looks like the front is through Amarillo, lets see how the temp drops.


Based off of the NWS site it is 43 in Lubbock and 29 in Amarillo with a wind chill of -2 :cold:
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Re: Texas Winter 2014-2015

#1796 Postby Portastorm » Mon Dec 29, 2014 8:21 pm

weatherguy425 wrote:Also, I'm sure this has already been said - just in a different way...

I don't think the big issue is with forecast models being 'too warm', rather they are struggling with how far south this cold air-mass pushes. Within a reasonable margin of error, data isnt 'busting' left and right like previous outbreaks have.

For example GFS MOS data and NAM MET data have Lubbock in the 10-15 range the next two mornings, with highs in the middle 20s both Tuesday and Wednesday. Is that a 'bust' too warm? Not in my opinion, though I don't see a 10-15 diurnal range under thick cloud cover. However, further south, models will be too warm simply because they are underestimating the physics behind a dense, cold, air-mass. They 'like' to move south... In a hurry... If the patterns favors it.


While I agree with your post, I did show earlier today that the GFS was busting on temps up in western Kansas and Nebraska. It was off by 5-6 degrees in those locales at late morning. Will be curious to see how tonight's 0z GFS does with Amarillo temps tomorrow morning.
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#1797 Postby Ralph's Weather » Mon Dec 29, 2014 8:23 pm

42 here before a very strong Arctic front with moisture coming in behind it, hard to imagine staying above freezing much at all for the next few days.
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#1798 Postby Tireman4 » Mon Dec 29, 2014 8:24 pm

Houston still rainy...?
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#1799 Postby kingwood_tx1999 » Mon Dec 29, 2014 8:34 pm

Tireman4 wrote:Houston still rainy...?

Ya I don't think we will get anything more than a cold rain
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#1800 Postby KatDaddy » Mon Dec 29, 2014 8:36 pm

A cold rain at this point.
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