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#1921 Postby HockeyTx82 » Thu Dec 24, 2009 3:09 am

Ntxw wrote:And what timing, I don't think any of us should ask for more after this possible white christmas. (yet models do show more possible in the coming weeks) lol


So what are your thoughts of this stuff sticking around till Friday morning on the grass and stuff? If it falls......
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Re: Texas winter wx thread (2009-2010)

#1922 Postby iorange55 » Thu Dec 24, 2009 3:17 am

I just hope we're not all disappointed this is the kind of storm that'll either really disappoint, or really deliver, not much in between.
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Re: Texas winter wx thread (2009-2010)

#1923 Postby iorange55 » Thu Dec 24, 2009 3:46 am

Neat webcam from Lubbock looks pretty white


http://www.kcbd.com/Global/link.asp?L=6928
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Re: Texas winter wx thread (2009-2010)

#1924 Postby Texas Snowman » Thu Dec 24, 2009 4:07 am

iorange55 wrote:I just hope we're not all disappointed this is the kind of storm that'll either really disappoint, or really deliver, not much in between.



Know what you mean. We're sitting at 44 degrees with heavy rain here in Sherman/Denison at 3 a.m. Long way to go before there is snow and accumulation...if any.

I've been dreaming of a big white Christmas for so long, I won't believe this one until I see it! :wink:
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Re: Texas winter wx thread (2009-2010)

#1925 Postby Texas Snowman » Thu Dec 24, 2009 4:11 am

Well, NWS winter storm warning was just updated and extended. New warning runs from 6 a.m. until 6 p.m. and accumulations of 2-4" are anticipated with some 5" amounts near Gainesville. Also, near blizzard conditions at times... :cold:


TXZ091>093-100>103-115>117-129-241700-
/O.EXT.KFWD.WS.W.0002.091224T1200Z-091225T0000Z/
MONTAGUE-COOKE-GRAYSON-YOUNG-JACK-WISE-DENTON-STEPHENS-PALO PINTO-
PARKER-EASTLAND-
INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...BOWIE...NOCONA...GAINESVILLE...
SHERMAN...DENISON...GRAHAM...OLNEY...JACKSBORO...DECATUR...
BRIDGEPORT...DENTON...LEWISVILLE...FLOWER MOUND...THE COLONY...
BRECKENRIDGE...MINERAL WELLS...WEATHERFORD...BRIAR...CISCO...
EASTLAND...RANGER...GORMAN
249 AM CST THU DEC 24 2009

...WINTER STORM WARNING NOW IN EFFECT FROM 6 AM THIS MORNING TO
6 PM CST THIS EVENING...

A WINTER STORM WARNING FOR HEAVY SNOW AND BLOWING SNOW REMAINS IN
EFFECT FROM 6 AM THIS MORNING TO 6 PM CST THIS AFTERNOON.

A POWERFUL WINTER STORM WILL MOVE ACROSS NORTH TEXAS TODAY.
TEMPERATURES WILL CONTINUE TO FALL DURING THE MORNING HOURS WITH
AREAS OF RAIN TRANSITIONING TO AREAS OF SNOW FROM WEST TO EAST.
SNOW MAY BE HEAVY AT TIMES...WITH AVERAGE ACCUMULATIONS OF 2 TO 4
INCHES OVER THE WARNING AREA. THE HIGHEST ACCUMULATIONS OF NEAR 5
INCHES WILL OCCUR GENERALLY NORTHWEST OF A LINE FROM BRECKENRIDGE
TO GAINESVILLE.


IN ADDITION TO THE SNOW...STRONG NORTHWEST WINDS OF 25 TO 35 MPH
WITH HIGHER GUSTS WILL RESULT IN SIGNIFICANT AREAS OF BLOWING SNOW
ACROSS THE WARNING AREA. NEAR BLIZZARD CONDITIONS WILL RESULT IN
VISIBILITIES BELOW A QUARTER OF A MILE IN SOME LOCATIONS.

THESE CONDITIONS WILL MAKE TRAVEL VERY HAZARDOUS OR AT TIMES
IMPOSSIBLE. EXTREME CAUTION IS ADVISED IF YOU MUST TRAVEL.
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#1926 Postby Paul_B » Thu Dec 24, 2009 4:33 am

I've had a username on here before and lost the name, but never really posted much.

Sitting here in Paradise, TX watching the temperatures slowly drop in Bridgeport and Decatur...

When that band of heavy rain moved through here earlier the temperature dropped from 48 to 41 in Decatur. Bridgeport saw a very similar cooling with that band of rain. I must say the past few days have been a rollercoaster ride with the forecasts. What do you guys think I should expect as far as amount of snow?
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Re: Texas winter wx thread (2009-2010)

#1927 Postby Texas Snowman » Thu Dec 24, 2009 4:35 am

Will the dreaded dry slot wreak havoc today on a winter wonderland forecast? :grr:

Maybe, maybe not.

Here's the DFW AFD hot off the presses for this winter weather event and the one shaping up early next week too...

AFDFWD

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE FORT WORTH TX
321 AM CST THU DEC 24 2009

.DISCUSSION...
COLD FRONT IS ABOUT 2/3RDS OF THE WAY THROUGH NORTH TEXAS AND WILL
HAVE MOVED THROUGH ALL OF NORTH TEXAS BY DAYBREAK. TEMPERATURES
ARE DROPPING SIGNIFICANTLY BEHIND THE COLD FRONT AND ALL LOCATIONS
WILL SEE THEIR HIGH TEMPERATURES TODAY EARLY THIS MORNING WITH
TEMPERATURES FALLING THROUGHOUT THE DAY. STRONG NORTHWEST WINDS
WILL CONTINUE TODAY AND THE WIND ADVISORY WILL REMAIN IN EFFECT
THROUGH 03Z/9 PM BUT MAY HAVE TO BE EXTENDED A FEW MORE HOURS.

THE EXCITING AND CHALLENGING PART OF THE FORECAST IS THE LIKELIHOOD
OF SNOW TODAY. THE ONLY SIGNIFICANT CHANGES FROM LAST NIGHT ARE TO
INCREASE THE SNOW TOTAL AMOUNTS AND EXTEND THE WARNING AND
ADVISORY THROUGH 00Z/6 PM. THE UPPER LEVEL LOW IS CURRENTLY NEAR
MIDLAND AND WILL ARRIVE IN NORTH TEXAS MID-LATE MORNING. THE
LATEST MODELS PROGRESS THE UPPER LEVEL LOW RIGHT ALONG THE
INTERSTATE 20 CORRIDOR...SETTING UP A SNOW EVENT FOR THE NORTHERN
HALF OF NORTH TEXAS. SNOW ACCUMULATIONS HAVE BEEN RAISED TO NEARLY
5" IN THE NORTHWEST TAPERING TO 1" IN THE ADVISORY AREA. GIVEN THE
SLOWER SPEED OF THE SYSTEM...HAVE ALSO LINGERED LIGHT SNOW ACROSS
THE NORTHEAST THROUGH MIDNIGHT AS THE SYSTEM EXITS THE REGIONS.
WE CHOSE TO USE A 7:1 SNOW RATIO AND THE AVERAGE OF REASONABLE
SREF MEMBERS FOR SNOW TOTALS.


THE COMBINATION OF SNOW AND STRONG WINDS WILL CAUSE BLOWING SNOW
ACROSS MUCH OF THE WARNING AND ADVISORY AREA...BUT MOST LIKELY IN
THE NORTHWESTERN COUNTIES. THIS WILL RESULT IN REDUCED
VISIBILITIES...DOWN TO A QUARTER MILE AT TIMES IN SOME
LOCATIONS...RESEMBLING BLIZZARD-LIKE CONDITIONS. MINOR SNOW
DRIFTS OF A FEW FEET WILL LIKELY FORM DUE TO THE BLOWING SNOW.
THESE SNOW DRIFTS WILL FORM AGAINST BUILDINGS AND OTHER STANDING
OBJECTS SUCH AS FENCES.

AS THE RUC SUGGESTS...IT IS POSSIBLE THAT WE MAY GET DRY-SLOTTED
OR TOO MUCH WARM AIR NEAR 700 MB MAY GET WRAPPED AROUND THE
SYSTEM. THIS WOULD RESULT IN LOWER SNOW ACCUMULATIONS OR A MIX OF
FREEZING RAIN/SLEET/SNOW MAY OCCUR. HOWEVER...GIVEN THE OVERALL
PERSISTENCE OF THE MODEL RUNS WE WILL CONTINUE WITH SNOW MENTIONED
AS THE MAIN PRECIPITATION TYPE.

BEYOND TODAY...THE FORECAST REMAINS NEARLY UNCHANGED UNTIL
TUESDAY. COOL AND DRY WEATHER WILL PERSIST FRIDAY THROUGH MONDAY.
THE ECMWF AND GFS HAVE COME IN BETTER AGREEMENT REGARDING THE NEXT
STORM SYSTEM ON TUESDAY. HAVE MENTIONED A WINTER PRECIPITATION MIX
OF RAIN AND SLEET IN THE FORECAST FOR TUESDAY DUE TO UNCERTAINTIES
IN THE FORECAST THIS FAR OUT. IT APPEARS MORE LIKELY THAT SNOW IN THE
NORTH AND FREEZING RAIN IN THE SOUTH MAY OCCUR BUT WILL FINE TUNE
AS NEEDED AS THE EVENT APPROACHES. HAVE SIGNIFICANTLY UNDERCUT
MOS TEMPERATURES ON TUESDAY TO COINCIDE WITH THE WINTER WEATHER EVENT.
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Re: Texas winter wx thread (2009-2010)

#1928 Postby somethingfunny » Thu Dec 24, 2009 4:37 am

Wishing I still lived in Pottsboro. Enjoy it, Snowman! :froze:
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Re: Texas winter wx thread (2009-2010)

#1929 Postby Texas Snowman » Thu Dec 24, 2009 4:41 am

somethingfunny wrote:Wishing I still lived in Pottsboro. Enjoy it, Snowman! :froze:


Thanks SomethingFunny, but lol, it hasn't happened yet, still 44 and wet outside!

As for the question about Decatur/Bridgeport, I'm pretty sure that the official NWS amount forecasted for that area is 3-4" according to the updated accumulation map from Ft. Worth NWS.
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#1930 Postby Paul_B » Thu Dec 24, 2009 4:47 am

Thanks, just noticed that the new snow accumulation forecast got bumped up from 1-2 inches to 3-5 inches :double: Would be cool if it sticks around for tomorrow 8-)

That is if it falls...
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Re: Texas winter wx thread (2009-2010)

#1931 Postby Texas Snowman » Thu Dec 24, 2009 4:53 am

KOCO in OKC is now showing possible 6-8 inch swath near the Red River south of Ardmore. While this is not a forecast of any kind, it's kind of looking from all of the various accumulation maps that area from Gainesville to Ardmore might be ground zero for heaviest accumulations from this storm.
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Re: Texas winter wx thread (2009-2010)

#1932 Postby iorange55 » Thu Dec 24, 2009 4:53 am

The temp now reads 41 here it dropped pretty quick within the past hour. It was slowly dropping, but it took a 5-7 degree plunge this hour.
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Re: Texas winter wx thread (2009-2010)

#1933 Postby Texas Snowman » Thu Dec 24, 2009 5:01 am

34 with heavy rain in Wichita Falls; 39 with rain in Gainesville; 37 with drizzle in Ardmore; 43 with light rain at North Texas Regional Airport in Denison.
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Re: Texas winter wx thread (2009-2010)

#1934 Postby msstateguy83 » Thu Dec 24, 2009 5:44 am

good morning all... 33 here at the house in sw wichita falls no snow yet, just looking at the latest data to
see what i think..
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Re: Texas winter wx thread (2009-2010)

#1935 Postby msstateguy83 » Thu Dec 24, 2009 6:03 am

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FXUS64 KOUN 241053
AFDOUN

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NORMAN OK
453 AM CST THU DEC 24 2009

.DISCUSSION...

...MAJOR WINTER STORM TODAY AND THIS EVENING...

THE CHRISTMAS EVE STORM NOW UNFOLDING HAS BEHAVED LIKE A GIFT
WRAPPED IN MULTIPLE BOXES...IT IS FULL OF SURPRISES. ALL ALONG...THE
MODELS HAVE SHOWN AN UNUSUAL AMOUNT OF SPREAD REGARDING THE TRACK
AND INTENSITY OF THE CYCLONE.

...TRENDS...
SOME IMPORTANT TRENDS THAT SHOWED UP OVERNIGHT INCLUDE...THE MID AND
UPPER CYCLONE SHOWING MORE CLOSED HEIGHT CONTOURS AND TRACKING A
LITTLE FARTHER SOUTH. THIS MEANS MORE INTENSE LIFTING FOR A LONGER
DURATION FOR A FAIRLY BROAD AREA ALONG AND NORTH OF THE TRACK. THE
NAM...ECMWF...AND NOW RUC GENERALLY AGREE ON THE TRACK AND INTENSITY
OF THE SURFACE LOW...MAINTAINING ABOUT 989 MB ALONG A PATH THROUGH
EXTREME SOUTHEAST OKLAHOMA...AND CURVING TOWARD NORTHWEST ARKANSAS.
SURFACE AND SATELLITE OBSERVATIONS SEEM TO BE BEARING THIS OUT AS A
GOOD LIKELIHOOD. WE WERE ABLE THEN...TO USE THE 00Z AND 06Z NAM
FIELDS WITH SOME CONFIDENCE. INCREDIBLY...THIS MEANS THAT THE
CYCLONE IS VERIFYING SOMEWHERE TOWARD THE EXTREME SIDE OF WHAT WAS
THOUGHT TO BE POSSIBLE JUST ONE TO TWO DAYS AGO. THE DEVELOPING
TRACK AND INTENSITY SUGGESTS A MAJOR WINTER STORM HAS JUST BEGUN IN
OUR TEXAS COUNTIES AND WESTERN OKLAHOMA...AND WILL HAVE SEVERE
IMPACTS ACROSS THE REMAINDER OF NORTHERN...CENTRAL...AND SOUTHERN
OKLAHOMA THROUGH THIS EVENING.

...ICE POTENTIAL...
WHILE SNOW AND BLOWING SNOW ARE THE PRIMARY IMPACT...WE HAVE ALSO
INTRODUCED A PERIOD OF MIXED PRECIPITATION...INCLUDING FREEZING RAIN
AND SLEET...FOR CENTRAL AND NORTH CENTRAL OKLAHOMA...MAINLY THROUGH
NOON TODAY. OUR SPECIAL 06 UTC SOUNDING SHOWED A SUBSTANTIAL WARM
NOSE AT 800-700 MB. WITH THE MID LEVEL LOW CLOSING OFF NEAR THE RED
RIVER...EASTERLY WINDS WILL HOLD THE WARM AIR IN PLACE FROM THE OKC
METRO AREA NORTHWARD. AS COLD AIR SURGES IN AT THE SURFACE...THIS
CREATES A SETUP FOR ICE FROM MID MORNING TO MIDDAY. THE EFFECT IS
MORE PRONOUNCED IN THE RUC...AND THE NCEP PRECIP TYPE ALGORITHM
AVAILABLE PER THE SPC WEB SITE PAINTS A STRIPE OF ICE FROM OKC NORTH
ALONG INTERSTATE 35.

...HEAVY SNOW...
BY MIDDAY TO EARLY AFTERNOON...STRONG DYNAMIC LIFTING AND SOME COLD
ADVECTION SHOULD CHANGE ALL OF OUR FORECAST AREA OVER TO SNOW.
DESPITE THE LOSS OF A FEW SNOW HOURS DUE TO THE MORNING ICING...WE
STILL FEEL THERE WILL BE SIGNIFICANT SNOW ACCUMULATIONS FROM
OKLAHOMA CITY NORTH. THE SNOWFALL WILL BE GREATEST FARTHER
SOUTH...WHERE STRONG LIFTING WILL BEGIN MUCH EARLIER IN THE MORNING.
IN THE 06Z NAM...WE SEE STRONG VERTICAL MOTION THROUGH THE DENDRITIC
CRYSTAL GROWTH ZONE OVER NEARLY THE ENTIRE FORECAST AREA THIS
AFTERNOON. IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO FORECAST HOW MUCH SNOW WILL
ACCUMULATE ON A GIVEN SURFACE...SINCE GROUND TEMPERATURES ARE ON THE
MILD SIDE...AND THE EVENT IS OCCURRING AT DAYTIME. IT IS
LIKELY...HOWEVER...THAT THERE WILL BE PERIODS OF HEAVY SNOW...WITH
ACCUMULATION OR 1 TO EVEN 2 INCHES PER HOUR...SOMEWHERE FROM CENTRAL
INTO SOUTH CENTRAL OKLAHOMA. THE 06Z NAM SNOW ACCUMULATION ALGORITHM
IS NOT TOO FAR OFF FROM OUR THINKING...AND WE RAISED SNOW TOTALS IN
THOSE AREAS.

...NEAR BLIZZARD...
AN ARCTIC FRONT WILL MOVE FROM WESTERN KANSAS THIS MORNING TO THE
INTERSTATE 44 CORRIDOR AT EARLY AFTERNOON. COLDER...DRIER AIR IN A
SHALLOW LAYER NEAR THE GROUND...ALONG WITH VERY GUSTY WINDS...WILL
INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF BLOWING SNOW AND LOWER WIND CHILL
TEMPERATURES TO AROUND 10 DEGREES ABOVE ZERO. IT IS EVEN POSSIBLE
THAT A BLIZZARD WARNING WOULD BE JUSTIFIED FOR A FEW HOURS THIS
AFTERNOON...SHOULD THE SNOW ACCUMULATION AND BLOWING SNOW OCCUR AS
FORECAST. THIS IS A LIFE THREATENING STORM.

...AFTER THE STORM...
WE USED THE COLDER NAM AND ECMWF TEMPERATURES IN THE DAYS TO
COME...GIVEN WIDESPREAD SNOW COVER. THE GFS DID NOT SEEM TO ACCOUNT
FOR THIS. WINDS ARE EXPECTED TO DECREASE RATHER QUICKLY IN THE
SECOND HALF OF THURSDAY NIGHT...SO THIS KEEPS WIND CHILLS JUST ABOVE
THE ADVISORY CRITERIA...AT LEAST IN THE CURRENT FORECAST. THIS
SHOULD BE REEVALUATED THIS EVENING. AFTER SEVERAL DAYS OF
COLD...THERE IS ANOTHER STORM SYSTEM SET TO BRING A CHANCE OF RAIN
OR SNOW BY NEXT TUESDAY AND WEDNESDAY.

...THANKS...
TO SURROUNDING NWS FORECAST OFFICES AND THE HPC AND SPC FOR THEIR
COLLABORATION THIS MORNING.

&&

.PRELIMINARY POINT TEMPS/POPS...
OKLAHOMA CITY OK 31 14 29 14 / 100 40 0 0
HOBART OK 30 11 31 12 / 100 20 10 0
WICHITA FALLS TX 34 12 34 14 / 100 20 0 0
GAGE OK 25 14 28 16 / 70 10 0 0
PONCA CITY OK 31 17 24 16 / 100 60 10 10
DURANT OK 45 20 33 19 / 100 50 0 10

&&

.OUN WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES...
OK...WINTER STORM WARNING UNTIL 10 PM CST THIS EVENING FOR OKZ007-008-
012-013-018>020-024>032-039>043-045>048-050>052.

WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY UNTIL 6 PM CST THIS EVENING FOR
OKZ004>006-009>011-014-015.

WINTER STORM WARNING UNTIL 6 PM CST THIS EVENING FOR OKZ016-017-
021>023-033>038-044.

TX...WINTER STORM WARNING UNTIL 6 PM CST THIS EVENING FOR TXZ083>090.

&&

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Re: Texas winter wx thread (2009-2010)

#1936 Postby iorange55 » Thu Dec 24, 2009 6:11 am

Starting to rain here which is dropping the temp it's now 38
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Re: Texas winter wx thread (2009-2010)

#1937 Postby zaqxsw75050 » Thu Dec 24, 2009 6:17 am

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Re: Texas winter wx thread (2009-2010)

#1938 Postby iorange55 » Thu Dec 24, 2009 6:20 am

zaqxsw75050 wrote:Image




I'll take a slight chance, as opposed to the zero chance a day ago.
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Re: Texas winter wx thread (2009-2010)

#1939 Postby zaqxsw75050 » Thu Dec 24, 2009 6:21 am

Yeah, slight chance of 4"+ was a surprise to me. Heck, a few days ago I thought we will get nothing except some rain.
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Re: Texas winter wx thread (2009-2010)

#1940 Postby iorange55 » Thu Dec 24, 2009 6:28 am

zaqxsw75050 wrote:Yeah, slight chance of 4"+ was a surprise to me. Heck, a few days ago I thought we will get nothing except some rain.




Same here it looks like to me we'll be just on the south end of the main snow band. And then a little further south we'll be the more scattered snow showers. I'm thinking an inch or so maybe two. It's still too early to say I'll wait before actually believing on one or two inches till the swath gets closer, and see how it builds. As of right now it looks like we'd be just on the south of the main snow band
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