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Re: Texas Winter 2010-2011

#2021 Postby orangeblood » Wed Jan 12, 2011 12:36 pm

This mornings GFS and last nights Canadian are showing some potential for late next week. The Polar Vortex will be pulling down some Bitterly Cold Siberian Air along with shortwave energy coming out of the Pacific Northwest. The models aren't sure what to do with that energy quite yet. The European wants to move it east along the Polar Jet while the GFS and more so the Canadian showing the Energy being cut off over the Southwest. If that energy ends up getting cut off, we could have a potential overrunning event late next week. Just something to keep an eye on!!
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Re: Texas Winter 2010-2011

#2022 Postby Portastorm » Wed Jan 12, 2011 12:57 pm

orangeblood wrote:This mornings GFS and last nights Canadian are showing some potential for late next week. The Polar Vortex will be pulling down some Bitterly Cold Siberian Air along with shortwave energy coming out of the Pacific Northwest. The models aren't sure what to do with that energy quite yet. The European wants to move it east along the Polar Jet while the GFS and more so the Canadian showing the Energy being cut off over the Southwest. If that energy ends up getting cut off, we could have a potential overrunning event late next week. Just something to keep an eye on!!


Today's 12z Canadian suggests the same thing beyond 180 hours. The 12z GFS really doesn't, although the 6z run did. Lots of flip flopping going on.

If it's going to be this cold, I want some precip with it! (but y'all knew that. :wink: )
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Re: Texas Winter 2010-2011

#2023 Postby djmikey » Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:20 pm

If "anything" as in frozen precip were to fall from the sky, around what time should this take place in the HOU area? Just curious... I know it will be difficult with it being so dry though.
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Re: Texas Winter 2010-2011

#2024 Postby downsouthman1 » Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:25 pm

djmikey wrote:If "anything" as in frozen precip were to fall from the sky, around what time should this take place in the HOU area? Just curious... I know it will be difficult with it being so dry though.

You might that say that the GEM appears to show it sometime between 3AM & 12PM tomorrow from like Del Rio to Houston. But I wouldn't count on it. It's mainly some mid-level moisture with no real focus for lift.
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#2025 Postby TeamPlayersBlue » Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:30 pm

where do you get the CMC beyond 120?
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Re: Texas Winter 2010-2011

#2026 Postby TeamPlayersBlue » Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:34 pm

djmikey wrote:If "anything" as in frozen precip were to fall from the sky, around what time should this take place in the HOU area? Just curious... I know it will be difficult with it being so dry though.


Best time in air this dry would be at night, its a shame we cant tap into that moisture just west of Mexico. The temps are cold enough, the clouds are rolling in now.

Just saw 37 degrees at Sugar land airport and i dont expect it to go up anymore either
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#2027 Postby downsouthman1 » Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:38 pm

TeamPlayersBlue wrote:where do you get the CMC beyond 120?


http://www.weatheroffice.gc.ca/ensemble/index_e.html
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#2028 Postby Portastorm » Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:39 pm

TeamPlayersBlue wrote:where do you get the CMC beyond 120?


I assume you're directing this question at me since I made the longer-range Canadian post? You can access the Canadian up to 180 hours at the Penn State ewall site. I will include a link below. Also, the site does not have the Canadian beyond that time frame but if you look at the last few panels, it is very clear that a strong Arctic airmass is plunging south into the Plains at the end of the run.

Link: http://www.meteo.psu.edu/~gadomski/CMC_12z/cmcloop.html
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Re: Texas Winter 2010-2011

#2029 Postby Ntxw » Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:40 pm

Yet another cold cold day for Texas. Once again any other year would be counted as an 'arctic outbreak' but of course with the kind of chill we've been having the past few years, this is does not put so much of a shock. Oh the memories of warm winters past! Lets keep our fingers crossed that the wimpy shortwave squeezes out a flurry for Portastorm!

Long term pattern says this cold is not going anywhere if not colder!
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Re: Texas Winter 2010-2011

#2030 Postby Portastorm » Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:43 pm

Thanks Ntxw ... am expecting nothing here so I won't be disappointed! :lol:

I would much prefer a big Arctic plunge next week with multiple shortwaves in the Southern jert crossing Texas! :cheesy:
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Re: Texas Winter 2010-2011

#2031 Postby downsouthman1 » Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:45 pm

Portastorm wrote:Thanks Ntxw ... am expecting nothing here so I won't be disappointed! :lol:

I would much prefer a big Arctic plunge next week with multiple shortwaves in the Southern jert crossing Texas! :cheesy:


Like you Portastorm, I'm hedging my bets on that.
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Re: Texas Winter 2010-2011

#2032 Postby Ntxw » Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:45 pm

Portastorm wrote:Thanks Ntxw ... am expecting nothing here so I won't be disappointed! :lol:

I would much prefer a big Arctic plunge next week with multiple shortwaves in the Southern jert crossing Texas! :cheesy:


I think next week will get interesting, JB is being burned with his 2nd thaw idea and the models (shocking GFS too) says "not so fast my friend!" When he gets burned = we get snow :lol:

European is showing lots of west coast ridging (+PNA) which means no short of SW storms and cold air anytime soon.
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Re: Texas Winter 2010-2011

#2033 Postby downsouthman1 » Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:59 pm

Oddly enough, when I look at Radars from GRK, SJT, & EWX, they show very light returns moving north. It would appear that at least a tiny bit of low level moisture is traveling north.

GRK: http://www.wunderground.com/radar/radbl ... ightning=0

SJT: http://www.wunderground.com/radar/radbl ... ightning=0

EWX: http://www.wunderground.com/radar/radbl ... ightning=0
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#2034 Postby Ntxw » Wed Jan 12, 2011 2:29 pm

Radar indicates Denton could be seeing some good flurry action. Can anyone confirm it?
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#2035 Postby downsouthman1 » Wed Jan 12, 2011 2:31 pm

Ntxw wrote:Radar indicates Denton could be seeing some good flurry action. Can anyone confirm it?

What Radar are you observing? I don't see it on FWS: http://www.wunderground.com/radar/radbl ... ightning=0, nor surrounding Radars.
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#2036 Postby Ntxw » Wed Jan 12, 2011 2:33 pm

downsouthman1 wrote:What Radar are you observing? I don't see it on FWS: http://www.wunderground.com/radar/radbl ... ightning=0, nor surrounding Radars.


http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid=FWS&product=NCR&overlay=11101111&loop=yes

Probably isn't reaching the ground, but you never know. Maybe someone out there saw a stray flurry in the darker band!
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Re: Texas Winter 2010-2011

#2037 Postby WacoWx » Wed Jan 12, 2011 2:38 pm

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According to this radar, DFW is getting hammered right now. Waco, on the other hand, may see some flurry action later o...oh, wait, thats Ntxw's avatar.....again :ggreen:

Portastorm, I'm gonna go with the 'expect the worst and hope for the best' attitude as well. Sure do like hearing about an arctic plunge and a cut off low, just for discussion sake!
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#2038 Postby downsouthman1 » Wed Jan 12, 2011 2:43 pm

Ntxw wrote:
downsouthman1 wrote:What Radar are you observing? I don't see it on FWS: http://www.wunderground.com/radar/radbl ... ightning=0, nor surrounding Radars.


http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid=FWS&product=NCR&overlay=11101111&loop=yes

Probably isn't reaching the ground, but you never know. Maybe someone out there saw a stray flurry in the darker band!


O, I see. It's because you're looking at Composite & I'm looking at Base. I guess Composite probably is more applicable when the precip is occurring in the mid-levels as opposed to the surface layer.
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#2039 Postby HockeyTx82 » Wed Jan 12, 2011 2:43 pm

Ntxw wrote:Radar indicates Denton could be seeing some good flurry action. Can anyone confirm it?


I just looked out the window. Nothing is falling; still some snow around and man is it cold. I would say this air mass has delivered on some levels. I don't think Denton has been above freezing since Sunday!!!!!!
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Re: Texas Winter 2010-2011

#2040 Postby Ntxw » Wed Jan 12, 2011 2:45 pm

WacoWx wrote:According to this radar, DFW is getting hammered right now. Waco, on the other hand, may see some flurry action later o...oh, wait, thats Ntxw's avatar.....again :ggreen:

Portastorm, I'm gonna go with the 'expect the worst and hope for the best' attitude as well. Sure do like hearing about an arctic plunge and a cut off low, just for discussion sake!


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I apologize for the torture but the this radar shows much of the same also! (oops for got it was Sunday's)

No seriously, you should keep an eye out for that stray flake today!
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