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Re: Texas Winter 2015-2016

#2221 Postby Ntxw » Thu Jan 14, 2016 1:58 pm

Jb underestimated the El Nino from the very beginning and believed in very hard crash of it by now, neither of which worked out. He kept insisting it would not be a super Nino and intended a 1.2-1.5C event.

That said, any winter it would be ill advised to give up on winter before Feb as last year and many years have proven (bipolar wxman57) and really until the second week of March.
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Re: Texas Winter 2015-2016

#2222 Postby wxman57 » Thu Jan 14, 2016 1:59 pm

Portastorm wrote:If anyone had doubts about the GFS' ability to handle the current pattern ... just compare the overnight 0z op run with the just issued 12z run. Look at the surface low depiction for this weekend over Texas. The 0z run had the surface low just west of Austin. The 12z run has it 125 miles south of Brownsville. What's a difference of 400-some miles between friends, right?! :lol:


What time frame, Portastorm? I'm seeing a similar double low structure in both the 00Z and 12Z GFS, though there are slight differences. But I still see a lot of run-to-run differences in the GFS. It isn't handling this pattern well. Not unless it forecasts temps in the 80s will I believe it beyond about 3 days.

HA! Heatmiser avatar has returned!

12Z Today:
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00Z Last Evening:
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Re: Texas Winter 2015-2016

#2223 Postby dhweather » Thu Jan 14, 2016 2:11 pm

orangeblood wrote:Great Article explaining our frustrations with the GFS, why the Euro is King, and why the lack of leadership and vision has hindered the GFS from earning the throne!!!

http://scitation.aip.org/content/aip/magazine/physicstoday/article/69/1/10.1063/PT.3.3046


Realistically, the problem boils down to Congress and funding. The ONLY reason NOAA got the money to buy two new Cray's was because it was attached to the bill for Sandy relief. Had it not been for that, NCEP is probably still running solely on old IBM Power 4 or Power 5 series systems today. There are some very good points in there, primarily the discussion of legacy products. With everything tied to the GFS run, they cannot significantly change the GFS code without causing significant trickle down effects. Consolidation of IT resources often makes financial sense, but is terrible for science. This is one glaring example of that.
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Re: Texas Winter 2015-2016

#2224 Postby Portastorm » Thu Jan 14, 2016 2:20 pm

wxman57, I am disturbed that Heat Miser has returned. You are now guilty of piling it on. Where's the flag?! :lol:

The period in question to which I was referring was 18z Saturday. Here is the 0z GFS followed by the 12z GFS.

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Re: Texas Winter 2015-2016

#2225 Postby wxman57 » Thu Jan 14, 2016 2:28 pm

Those two maps are pretty similar. Both have a low in the Austin area, though one has it deeper than the other. Precip areas are similar. Neither indicates much of anything in the D-FW area. Cold rain with possibly a few snow flakes mixed in near the end.

12Z Euro keeps the snow NW of Dallas-Ft. Worth. Very light, too.
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Re: Texas Winter 2015-2016

#2226 Postby orangeblood » Thu Jan 14, 2016 3:25 pm

Yikes!!! :( 1998 is all over the 6-10 and 8-14 day analogs.....very depressing for winter weather lovers!!!

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Re: Texas Winter 2015-2016

#2227 Postby wxman57 » Thu Jan 14, 2016 3:36 pm

orangeblood wrote:Yikes!!! :( 1998 is all over the 6-10 and 8-14 day analogs.....very depressing for winter weather lovers!!!


Sorry that all of you have to suffer at the hands of the few that insulted me. The Heat Miser has arisen!
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Re: Texas Winter 2015-2016

#2228 Postby TheProfessor » Thu Jan 14, 2016 3:49 pm

:uarrow: This is why you don't poke a sleeping bear.
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Re: Texas Winter 2015-2016

#2229 Postby srainhoutx » Thu Jan 14, 2016 3:57 pm

Yet the top Analog year 1960 delivered one of the heaviest snowfall recorded in Houston on February 12th. Dug out an old black and white photo of me playing in the snow from that event... :ggreen:
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Re: Texas Winter 2015-2016

#2230 Postby gpsnowman » Thu Jan 14, 2016 4:07 pm

TheProfessor wrote::uarrow: This is why you don't poke a sleeping bear.

Sleeping? This bear has been growling and clawing for months now. He needs to sleep but the temps have been too warm to hibernate. The warm weather has just made him more hungry and restless. Only a Fab Feb can rescue us from the deep claw clinches of the warm loving bear beast.
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Re: Texas Winter 2015-2016

#2231 Postby orangeblood » Thu Jan 14, 2016 4:12 pm

srainhoutx wrote:Yet the top Analog year 1960 delivered one of the heaviest snowfall recorded in Houston on February 12th. Dug out an old black and white photo of me playing in the snow from that event... :ggreen:


Giving the ENSO state, 1998 analog fits much better than 1960....does it not ? I believe 1960 was a neutral to slightly negative ENSO

The Pacific fire hose is just crushing any Arctic Air that attempts to get into this pattern....
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Re: Texas Winter 2015-2016

#2232 Postby northjaxpro » Thu Jan 14, 2016 4:13 pm

gpsnowman wrote:
TheProfessor wrote::uarrow: This is why you don't poke a sleeping bear.

Sleeping? This bear has been growling and clawing for months now. He needs to sleep but the temps have been too warm to hibernate. The warm weather has just made him more hungry and restless. Only a Fab Feb can rescue us from the deep claw clinches of the warm loving bear beast.



LOL... I love this post. I really enjoy you all here on the Texas Thread every day! I love to see you all jokingly taking on the ole Heat Miser!
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Re: Texas Winter 2015-2016

#2233 Postby northjaxpro » Thu Jan 14, 2016 4:18 pm

orangeblood wrote:
srainhoutx wrote:Yet the top Analog year 1960 delivered one of the heaviest snowfall recorded in Houston on February 12th. Dug out an old black and white photo of me playing in the snow from that event... :ggreen:


Giving the ENSO state, 1998 analog fits much better than 1960....does it not ? I believe 1960 was a neutral to slightly negative ENSO

The Pacific fire hose is just crushing any Arctic Air that attempts to get into this pattern....



Yes. I agree with you about this. Just have not been able to get a bonefide, true deep arctic air discharge to drive south down the Lee side of the Rockies so far to this juncture. Still have about 2/3 of the winter season remaining, so we will see if Mother Nature will bring about at least one Arctic High Pressure near the 1050 mb range in the coming weeks. The perfect setup is for one of those true Blue Norther fronts, anchored by a big Arctic High moving south out of Saskatchewan, to funnel cold, arctic air due south into Texas, as you all see often occur during some winter seasons.
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Re: Texas Winter 2015-2016

#2234 Postby Lagreeneyes03 » Thu Jan 14, 2016 5:08 pm

wxman57 wrote:
orangeblood wrote:Yikes!!! :( 1998 is all over the 6-10 and 8-14 day analogs.....very depressing for winter weather lovers!!!


Sorry that all of you have to suffer at the hands of the few that insulted me. The Heat Miser has arisen!


Can we get it a bit warmer? Any temp between 31-65 is just kind of a waste of oxygen haha! I'm voting for Winter Cancel and bring on 80 degrees at this point.
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Re: Texas Winter 2015-2016

#2235 Postby Brent » Thu Jan 14, 2016 5:14 pm

FWD mentioning in the afd all snow possible north of I-20 Saturday....
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Re: Texas Winter 2015-2016

#2236 Postby hriverajr » Thu Jan 14, 2016 5:15 pm

:uarrow: No, enough warmth in the summer. No reason to start early. You also increase the loss of water, as warm weather early is often dry. We don't need any moisture deficits.
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Re: Texas Winter 2015-2016

#2237 Postby EnnisTx » Thu Jan 14, 2016 5:33 pm

Part of the afternoon package from NWS Fort Worth: :wink:

AS THE UPPER LEVEL TROUGH MOVES THROUGH THE REGION ON
SATURDAY...IT IS EXPECTED TO GENERATE LIGHT PRECIPITATION ACROSS
MAINLY THE NORTHERN HALF OF THE CWA....BUT HAVE POPS ACROSS ALL OF
NORTH AND CENTRAL TEXAS SATURDAY AFTERNOON. ANY PRECIPITATION IS
EXPECTED TO EXIT THE REGION SATURDAY EVENING IF NOT BEFORE.
TEMPERATURES ALONG AND NORTH OF A LINE FROM COMANCHE TO HILLSBORO
TO ATHENS SUPPORT THE POTENTIAL FOR A RAIN/SNOW MIX. BETTER
CHANCES FOR SNOW TO MIX WITH RAIN ARE NORTH OF INTERSTATE 20...AND
IT CANNOT BE COMPLETELY RULED OUT THAT SOME LOCATIONS NORTH OF
I-20 MAY SEE A SMALL PERIOD OF A FULL CHANGEOVER TO ALL SNOW. AT
THIS TIME...SURFACE TEMPERATURES ARE EXPECTED TO REMAIN WELL ABOVE
FREEZING SO NO TRAVEL IMPACTS ARE EXPECTED...WITH ONE EXCEPTION
DISCUSSED BELOW. IT SEEMS FAR FETCHED TO SAY WE COULD SEE SNOW
WITH SURFACE TEMPERATURES WELL ABOVE FREEZING...BUT WE ARE
MONITORING THE TEMPERATURE TRENDS ABOVE THE SURFACE THAT ARE
FORECASTED TO BE COLD ENOUGH TO POSSIBLY SUPPORT SOME SNOW...AND
ALSO COLD AND HUMID ENOUGH IN THE SNOW GROWTH ZONE TO SUPPORT SNOW
DEVELOPMENT.

THE EXCEPTION MENTIONED ABOVE INVOLVES THE POTENTIAL FOR BANDING
WHICH COULD LEAD TO HIGHER PRECIPITATION RATES. DEPENDING ON THE
THERMAL PROFILE...THIS COULD MEAN MORE MODERATE RATES OF RAIN OR
POSSIBLY SNOWFALL. AN ANALYSIS OF CROSS SECTIONS INDICATES THERE
MAY BE ENOUGH VERTICAL LIFT ALONG THE FRONTAL ZONE TO CREATE SOME
BANDED AREAS OF EITHER SNOW OR RAIN. IF THIS HAPPENS...THIS COULD
RESULT IN WET BULBING OF NEAR SURFACE TEMPERATURES CLOSER TO 32
DEGREES WHICH IN TURN MAY RESULT IN MINOR SNOW ACCUMULATIONS
WITHIN BANDS OF HEAVIER PRECIPITATION. IF THE TEMPERATURES REMAIN
TOO WARM FOR SNOW...THEN THESE AREAS WOULD SEE HIGHER RAINFALL
TOTALS. ANY RAINFALL TOTALS ARE EXPECTED TO BE LESS THAN AN INCH
IN AREAS THAT MAY RECEIVE HIGHER RAINFALL RATES.
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Re: Texas Winter 2015-2016

#2238 Postby JDawg512 » Thu Jan 14, 2016 7:09 pm

It would be nice if we could get some more rain. It just doesn't look good for any significant rainfall over the next 7 days. Just a half an inch to an inch area wide is all I ask for. A good reminder that each Niño is different.
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Re: Texas Winter 2015-2016

#2239 Postby hriverajr » Thu Jan 14, 2016 7:36 pm

JDawg512 wrote:It would be nice if we could get some more rain. It just doesn't look good for any significant rainfall over the next 7 days. Just a half an inch to an inch area wide is all I ask for. A good reminder that each Niño is different.


Things just moving to fast, a bunch of relatively small systems
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Re: Texas Winter 2015-2016

#2240 Postby South Texas Storms » Thu Jan 14, 2016 7:41 pm

hriverajr wrote:
JDawg512 wrote:It would be nice if we could get some more rain. It just doesn't look good for any significant rainfall over the next 7 days. Just a half an inch to an inch area wide is all I ask for. A good reminder that each Niño is different.


Things just moving to fast, a bunch of relatively small systems


Yep, we really need the flow pattern to slow down so that storm systems can dig into Mexico before moving across the state. The 12z Euro shows this happening late next week with heavy rainfall likely if it verifies.
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