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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#241 Postby HockeyTx82 » Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:57 am

NWS FWD has the Social Media and Winter Weather Graphic up. Perhaps that's a good sign of a more active pattern that models are showing winter weather so there's stuff to post on social media. IIRC last year we had to wait for that graphic to show up much later in the season.

https://www.weather.gov/fwd/
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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#242 Postby bubba hotep » Sat Dec 07, 2019 11:08 am

Too bad this can't tap the cold air that is just off to the NE. Strongest +NAO in a long time for the fail lol

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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#243 Postby hamburgerman7070 » Sat Dec 07, 2019 1:04 pm

bubba hotep wrote:Too bad this can't tap the cold air that is just off to the NE. Strongest +NAO in a long time for the fail lol

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/gfs/2019120712/gfs_z500_vort_scus_16.png

Bubba, i think we need to consider the IOD moving forward and if we can get the mjo into the favorable phases. Do you have any idea what we want to see that would allow the ao and nao to trend negative? The euro seasonal displays just that, which is a negative nao in winter, but the eueo did terrible last winter.
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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#244 Postby Brent » Sat Dec 07, 2019 3:06 pm

bubba hotep wrote:Too bad this can't tap the cold air that is just off to the NE. Strongest +NAO in a long time for the fail lol

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/gfs/2019120712/gfs_z500_vort_scus_16.png


We can't win around here lol
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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#245 Postby Cpv17 » Sat Dec 07, 2019 3:43 pm

Brent wrote:
bubba hotep wrote:Too bad this can't tap the cold air that is just off to the NE. Strongest +NAO in a long time for the fail lol

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/gfs/2019120712/gfs_z500_vort_scus_16.png


We can't win around here lol


I pretty much have stopped even paying attention to the models. I don’t even check them anymore because I seriously doubt anything exciting is going to happen anytime soon.
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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#246 Postby Brent » Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:47 pm

Cpv17 wrote:
Brent wrote:
bubba hotep wrote:Too bad this can't tap the cold air that is just off to the NE. Strongest +NAO in a long time for the fail lol

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/gfs/2019120712/gfs_z500_vort_scus_16.png


We can't win around here lol


I pretty much have stopped even paying attention to the models. I don’t even check them anymore because I seriously doubt anything exciting is going to happen anytime soon.


yeah I honestly dont know why people bother with the long range... we can't figure out next week!
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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#247 Postby Cerlin » Sat Dec 07, 2019 8:23 pm

After the 18z’s I’m calling this a no go for DFW. Better luck next time I suppose.
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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#248 Postby starsfan65 » Sat Dec 07, 2019 8:44 pm

Cerlin wrote:After the 18z’s I’m calling this a no go for DFW. Better luck next time I suppose.
Are you giving up?
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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#249 Postby Brent » Sat Dec 07, 2019 8:49 pm

starsfan65 wrote:
Cerlin wrote:After the 18z’s I’m calling this a no go for DFW. Better luck next time I suppose.
Are you giving up?


it's always been a long shot... there's no cold air
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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#250 Postby Cerlin » Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:54 pm

starsfan65 wrote:
Cerlin wrote:After the 18z’s I’m calling this a no go for DFW. Better luck next time I suppose.
Are you giving up?

I’m doubtful. If it were closer temperature wise it’d be the best chance we’d have in years. Temps are just running too warm right now.
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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#251 Postby Cerlin » Sat Dec 07, 2019 11:23 pm

That being said, I don’t hate the GFS 00z
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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#252 Postby Haris » Sat Dec 07, 2019 11:40 pm

18z euro, gfs and cmc are all pretty good for Dallas. Very quiet for some reason
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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#253 Postby Quixotic » Sat Dec 07, 2019 11:48 pm

Brent wrote:
bubba hotep wrote:Too bad this can't tap the cold air that is just off to the NE. Strongest +NAO in a long time for the fail lol

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/gfs/2019120712/gfs_z500_vort_scus_16.png


We can't win around here lol


Buck up! It may be coincidental, but for the frat time in years I mowed dormant grass and raked leaves. All because if we have a winter event, my yard will look more cinematic. It may not be now, but my gut says the cold is coming back. My motto has always been “get the cold, the precip will take care of itself.” So, let’s not be Debbie downer. Notice that when the IO relaxes, we get cold. It will pulse and we will get cold.
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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#254 Postby Brent » Sat Dec 07, 2019 11:48 pm

on the precip maps if you loop them(not the fantasy snow maps) I don't really see where the DFW snow comes from, looks like it stays north of the metro

It's not gonna be cold enough I don't think

although I'd love to be wrong I'm not feeling it
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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#255 Postby somethingfunny » Sun Dec 08, 2019 5:17 am

Quixotic wrote:
Brent wrote:
bubba hotep wrote:Too bad this can't tap the cold air that is just off to the NE. Strongest +NAO in a long time for the fail lol

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/gfs/2019120712/gfs_z500_vort_scus_16.png


We can't win around here lol


Buck up! It may be coincidental, but for the frat time in years I mowed dormant grass and raked leaves. All because if we have a winter event, my yard will look more cinematic. It may not be now, but my gut says the cold is coming back. My motto has always been “get the cold, the precip will take care of itself.” So, let’s not be Debbie downer. Notice that when the IO relaxes, we get cold. It will pulse and we will get cold.


I had gotten that job halfway finished before the ice storm hit in December 2013 and I had long piles of leaves waiting to be bagged up in a strip across my yard. It looked kinda lame covered in ice but once it melted, it actually looked really cool because the leaves insulated the grass underneath and I had strips of bright green grass surrounded by the brown dormant lawn
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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#256 Postby Ralph's Weather » Sun Dec 08, 2019 7:51 am

Looks like north of I-30 has 5hr best chance for snow though I could see it down to I-20 or even further south. The temps will be very tricky and will make a huge difference in the snow placement. If the surface high comes in a touch strong everything shifts south pretty quickly in this setup.
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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#257 Postby CaptinCrunch » Sun Dec 08, 2019 9:26 am

I am not concerned with this weeks weather so long as December returns to feel like December. Temps after Monday will feel very seasonal and that is fine with me.

Once we get past this week and start looking towards the true start of our NTX winter the chances for more favorable cold intrusions go up, so hopefully our precipitation chances also increase for that period as well.

I think once we see the PNA start tanking around the 18th this will kick the MJO into gear and get us to were we need to be heading into the holidays and early January where I believe our chances of winter precipitation increases.


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Now for the reason you`re really reading this: the winter weather
potential. While the ascent looks strong for reasons discussed in the previous paragraph, and moisture should (initially) be
abundant enough to support precipitation processes, in this case, the temperature/moisture timing is where the uncertainty lies. A more classic winter weather/snow event for North Texas typically involves an upper-level shortwave trough detaching from and lagging behind a longwave trough. Such a synoptic pattern allows deep cold air to infiltrate the Southern Plains, with strong lift and moisture arriving about 24 hours later. In Tuesday`s case, the shortwave trough looks like it will remain fairly well attached to the longwave trough, with the synoptic freezing line likely to still be in the Sooner State on Tuesday morning. Having said that, the effects of dynamic cooling from the powerful upper-level ascent, as well as thermodynamic processes from evaporative cooling should allow temperatures to cool to near or just below freezing in our western counties. It looks like areas generally west of a line from Decatur to Mineral Wells to Goldthwaite would be where this would be most likely to occur. To the north of this area, dry air may work its way in before temperatures can cool enough. To the south and east, temperatures look to be simply too warm. This region, which also has a bit of elevation working for it, is right in the "sweet spot". After collaboration with neighboring offices and WPC, have opted to include a mention of light rain/snow mix for Tuesday morning in these areas.

In terms of accumulations/impacts, there remains substantial
uncertainty due to uncertainties about how cold it will be Tuesday morning. Surface temperatures look to be right around freezing (give or take a couple of degrees), so ground temperatures should be warm enough to prevent much in the way of meaningful accumulations. Having said that, should temperatures be a few degrees cooler than forecast, or precipitation rates be heavier than expected, some accumulations would be possible. The grids
explicitly mention about one-tenth to one-quarter inch of snow
accumulation in the aforementioned areas, but right now, this
should be viewed as a higher-end scenario. These accumulations would also likely be confined to elevated surfaces (i.e. bridges and overpasses) or grassy areas. Any disruptions should be very minimal, but folks that will be traveling west of the Metroplex on Tuesday should monitor the latest forecasts.
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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#258 Postby bubba hotep » Sun Dec 08, 2019 11:22 am

06z EPS for DFW with a mean of nearly 0.5" of snow

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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#259 Postby Cerlin » Sun Dec 08, 2019 11:23 am

What’s really keeping me in the “no-go” category here is the fact that, not even for one run has the NAM been on board with this. The temperatures are close but it’s just not there for the NAM. Not the 12k or the 3k. And, until a high res model (other than the WRF-ARW2) is on board, I won’t be. The 12z GFS is promising but I don’t know how much I trust it.
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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#260 Postby bubba hotep » Sun Dec 08, 2019 11:34 am

06z GEFS

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