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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#2581 Postby Ntxw » Wed Dec 21, 2022 11:55 am

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Tbh, I'll gladly trade these dry cold snaps for a moderate El Nino. I'm not sure the southern plains can survive another brutal La Nina spring/summer or we'll be looking at another 2011 situation down here in south central TX.


This La Nina is dying, and CPC gives a 71% chance of ENSO Neutral conditions by February-March. ENSO Neutral will most likely persist through summer and perhaps transition to El Nino come Fall 23

I don't think it's dying right now, the Daily SOI is above +30 right now.


There is a little bit of a disconnect with the mid latitude pattern to the SOI. The milder period coming week 2 looks like 2015's Super Nino Dec outlook.

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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#2582 Postby Iceresistance » Wed Dec 21, 2022 11:56 am

I may get above freezing after all today, it's 30°F. The Dew Point is increasing as well.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#2583 Postby Quixotic » Wed Dec 21, 2022 12:01 pm

Ntxw wrote:Man Buffalo, NY is having some kind of winter. What's another 3 feet of snow with the Lake enhanced.

Keep funding these heat miser walls when we should build a massive lake along the TX/Oklahoma border.


Nobody is using Oklahoma anyways. Fantastic idea.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#2584 Postby rwfromkansas » Wed Dec 21, 2022 12:03 pm

Ntxw wrote:Man Buffalo, NY is having some kind of winter. What's another 3 feet of snow with the Lake enhanced.

Keep funding these heat miser walls when we should build a massive lake along the TX/Oklahoma border.


Now that’s an idea. And it would be a tourist magnet.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#2585 Postby Iceresistance » Wed Dec 21, 2022 12:08 pm

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Ntxw wrote:Man Buffalo, NY is having some kind of winter. What's another 3 feet of snow with the Lake enhanced.

Keep funding these heat miser walls when we should build a massive lake along the TX/Oklahoma border.


Nobody is using Oklahoma anyways. Fantastic idea.

I am! :lol:

Also, we already have Lake Texoma across the OK/TX Border.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#2586 Postby orangeblood » Wed Dec 21, 2022 12:10 pm

Some of these Wind Chill Forecasts are insane... -70F in Wyoming! There is nothing normal about this Outbreak, extremely dangerous

 https://twitter.com/US_Stormwatch/status/1605350765131808768


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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#2587 Postby wxman57 » Wed Dec 21, 2022 12:13 pm

You can pick out the front now crossing NW Nebraska. About a 10-20F drop either side of the front. However, it's already cold ahead of the front, so you wouldn't expect a tremendous drop. Mountains in Wyoming don't count. Looks at the airmass over the Plains. That temperature differential will be accentuated when it reaches the 50s and 60s across Texas tomorrow. I would prefer that the 12Z GFS be correct. Just one hard freeze followed by a light freeze Saturday. Sounds good to me, but I think it will be colder here. Canadian is just nuts, though.

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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#2588 Postby Ntxw » Wed Dec 21, 2022 12:17 pm

wxman57 wrote:You can pick out the front now crossing NW Nebraska. About a 10-20F drop either side of the front. However, it's already cold ahead of the front, so you wouldn't expect a tremendous drop. Mountains in Wyoming don't count. Looks at the airmass over the Plains. That temperature differential will be accentuated when it reaches the 50s and 60s across Texas tomorrow. I would prefer that the 12Z GFS be correct. Just one hard freeze followed by a light freeze Saturday. Sounds good to me, but I think it will be colder here. Canadian is just nuts, though.

http://wxman57.com/images/Front.JPG


I would count eastern and in particular northeast WY in the locations mentioned above. They are east of the Bighorn and Laramie mountains part of the Great Plains. Really just an extension of far western Nebraska.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#2589 Postby orangeblood » Wed Dec 21, 2022 12:18 pm

wxman57 wrote:You can pick out the front now crossing NW Nebraska. About a 10-20F drop either side of the front. However, it's already cold ahead of the front, so you wouldn't expect a tremendous drop. Mountains in Wyoming don't count. Looks at the airmass over the Plains. That temperature differential will be accentuated when it reaches the 50s and 60s across Texas tomorrow. I would prefer that the 12Z GFS be correct. Just one hard freeze followed by a light freeze Saturday. Sounds good to me, but I think it will be colder here. Canadian is just nuts, though.

http://wxman57.com/images/Front.JPG


See post above :uarrow: -70F windchill in the plains of NE Wyoming The HP is forecast to build as it moves south this afternoon, real time observations will be much more pronounced this evening.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#2590 Postby wxman57 » Wed Dec 21, 2022 12:24 pm

Ntxw wrote:
wxman57 wrote:You can pick out the front now crossing NW Nebraska. About a 10-20F drop either side of the front. However, it's already cold ahead of the front, so you wouldn't expect a tremendous drop. Mountains in Wyoming don't count. Looks at the airmass over the Plains. That temperature differential will be accentuated when it reaches the 50s and 60s across Texas tomorrow. I would prefer that the 12Z GFS be correct. Just one hard freeze followed by a light freeze Saturday. Sounds good to me, but I think it will be colder here. Canadian is just nuts, though.

http://wxman57.com/images/Front.JPG


I would count eastern and in particular northeast WY in the locations mentioned above. They are east of the Bighorn and Laramie mountains part of the Great Plains. Really just an extension of far western Nebraska.


I remain unimpressed so far, just concerning post-front temps. You can get a wind chill of -70F with a -25F temp and a 45-50 mph wind. The wind chill will definitely make it feel colder. Watch temps in southern Nebraska and Kansas. Definitely flat there and no high elevations.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#2591 Postby Ntxw » Wed Dec 21, 2022 12:31 pm

wxman57 wrote:
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wxman57 wrote:You can pick out the front now crossing NW Nebraska. About a 10-20F drop either side of the front. However, it's already cold ahead of the front, so you wouldn't expect a tremendous drop. Mountains in Wyoming don't count. Looks at the airmass over the Plains. That temperature differential will be accentuated when it reaches the 50s and 60s across Texas tomorrow. I would prefer that the 12Z GFS be correct. Just one hard freeze followed by a light freeze Saturday. Sounds good to me, but I think it will be colder here. Canadian is just nuts, though.

http://wxman57.com/images/Front.JPG


I would count eastern and in particular northeast WY in the locations mentioned above. They are east of the Bighorn and Laramie mountains part of the Great Plains. Really just an extension of far western Nebraska.


I remain unimpressed so far, just concerning post-front temps. You can get a wind chill of -70F with a -25F temp and a 45-50 mph wind. The wind chill will definitely make it feel colder. Watch temps in southern Nebraska and Kansas. Definitely flat there and no high elevations.


Is this the heat miser or cold miser ego talking :lol:. Anything less than 80C would be unacceptable!
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#2592 Postby Edwards Limestone » Wed Dec 21, 2022 12:47 pm

wxman57 wrote:
Ntxw wrote:
wxman57 wrote:You can pick out the front now crossing NW Nebraska. About a 10-20F drop either side of the front. However, it's already cold ahead of the front, so you wouldn't expect a tremendous drop. Mountains in Wyoming don't count. Looks at the airmass over the Plains. That temperature differential will be accentuated when it reaches the 50s and 60s across Texas tomorrow. I would prefer that the 12Z GFS be correct. Just one hard freeze followed by a light freeze Saturday. Sounds good to me, but I think it will be colder here. Canadian is just nuts, though.

http://wxman57.com/images/Front.JPG


I would count eastern and in particular northeast WY in the locations mentioned above. They are east of the Bighorn and Laramie mountains part of the Great Plains. Really just an extension of far western Nebraska.


I remain unimpressed so far, just concerning post-front temps. You can get a wind chill of -70F with a -25F temp and a 45-50 mph wind. The wind chill will definitely make it feel colder. Watch temps in southern Nebraska and Kansas. Definitely flat there and no high elevations.


Fine with me. I hope this front totally busts on the high side for temps. Extreme cold w/ no precip is nothing but a nuisance in our part of the world.

I think if Feb 2021 hadn't happened, this wouldn't be getting the press that it is. Luckily, it doesn't look like this front will be anything like that event.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#2593 Postby wxman57 » Wed Dec 21, 2022 12:49 pm

Ntxw wrote:
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I would count eastern and in particular northeast WY in the locations mentioned above. They are east of the Bighorn and Laramie mountains part of the Great Plains. Really just an extension of far western Nebraska.


I remain unimpressed so far, just concerning post-front temps. You can get a wind chill of -70F with a -25F temp and a 45-50 mph wind. The wind chill will definitely make it feel colder. Watch temps in southern Nebraska and Kansas. Definitely flat there and no high elevations.


Is this the heat miser or cold miser ego talking :lol:. Anything less than 80C would be unacceptable!


Minus 25F is certainly cold for Oklahoma City, but not for Wyoming in winter. Let's see what the airmass looks like in Kansas and Oklahoma tonight. By the way, winter begins at 3:47pm today.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#2594 Postby Iceresistance » Wed Dec 21, 2022 12:51 pm

33°F and finally above freezing after 25 hours!
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#2595 Postby EnnisTx » Wed Dec 21, 2022 12:56 pm

Iceresistance wrote:
Quixotic wrote:
Ntxw wrote:Man Buffalo, NY is having some kind of winter. What's another 3 feet of snow with the Lake enhanced.

Keep funding these heat miser walls when we should build a massive lake along the TX/Oklahoma border.


Nobody is using Oklahoma anyways. Fantastic idea.

I am! :lol:

Also, we already have Lake Texoma across the OK/TX Border.


That's true, but I'm all for expanding Lake Texoma from North Tarrant and Dallas counties all the way North to Oklahoma City.... :ggreen:
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#2596 Postby EtoileTX » Wed Dec 21, 2022 12:58 pm

Wheatland Wyoming just went from 44f to 3 f in under an hour
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#2597 Postby EtoileTX » Wed Dec 21, 2022 12:59 pm

:cold: Wheatland Wyoming just went from 44f to 3 f in under an hour
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#2598 Postby Ntxw » Wed Dec 21, 2022 1:08 pm

While we're waiting for maps and cold, here is a little fun site below to look at some cold blasts from the past.

https://climatereanalyzer.org/reanalysis/daily_maps/?dm_id=na-lc&wm_id=t2anom&year=1983

Some years to check out. The most notable HP system outbreaks of the recent past.

Dec 17-31st 1983
Dec 17-25th 1989
Feb 1-5th 1996
Feb 1-11th 2011
Feb 5-17th 2021
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#2599 Postby Iceresistance » Wed Dec 21, 2022 1:09 pm

Ntxw wrote:While we're waiting for maps and cold here is a little fun site below to look at some cold blasts from the past.

https://climatereanalyzer.org/reanalysis/daily_maps/?dm_id=na-lc&wm_id=t2anom&year=1983

Some years to check out. The most notable HP system outbreaks of the recent past.

Dec 17-31st 1983
Dec 17-25th 1989
Feb 1-5th 1996
Feb 1-11th 2011
Feb 5-17th 2021

It's weird that January is not featured here, maybe that January is the "Reset and Reload" month?
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#2600 Postby Ntxw » Wed Dec 21, 2022 1:11 pm

Iceresistance wrote:
Ntxw wrote:While we're waiting for maps and cold here is a little fun site below to look at some cold blasts from the past.

https://climatereanalyzer.org/reanalysis/daily_maps/?dm_id=na-lc&wm_id=t2anom&year=1983

Some years to check out. The most notable HP system outbreaks of the recent past.

Dec 17-31st 1983
Dec 17-25th 1989
Feb 1-5th 1996
Feb 1-11th 2011
Feb 5-17th 2021

It's weird that January is not featured here, maybe that January is the "Reset and Reload" month?


January doesn't appear much after 1979. But in the past they do exist just not on this site. Jan 1962 is probably #2 in terms of HP driving cold.

Jan 1985 does exist but it's a different type of pattern and focuses more east of the MS River.
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