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#4021 Postby richtrav » Tue Jan 19, 2010 4:10 am

cctxhurricanewatcher wrote:You all should take a peak at what JB said today about the upcoming super stratospheric warming event and major cold outbreaks.

The winter is not even close to being over if this becomes fact. It might make the early January outbreak look like chicken feed.


Is there a link to that or is it for paid subscribers only? I wouldn't exactly call what has turned out to be one of the two worst Arctic outbreaks since 1990 "chicken feed", but yeah it technically can get colder here by 5-10 degrees in the more extreme events.

Note though that since the close of January looks mild an extreme event would have to be pushed back into February, which makes it that much harder for a really bad outbreak to occur after a warm spell will have melted away much of the snow to our north. The early January event also came at the end of a long general pattern of below normal temperatures, and trying to get back into another nasty rut like that after weeks of improving winter conditions will make it even more difficult. Sure it'll get cold again, but unless some massive pool of cold weather starts building in Alaska a la January 1989 or 1951 I don't see an historic outbreak in the cards (and neither of those winters were El Niño years). Both of those winters, along with the textbook case of 1933, had very mild Januarys with no major cold discharges like what we just had. What grimly looked like was turning into a nasty late-70s type winter just a couple of weeks ago appears well on its way to self-correcting

We just emerged from some of the coldest weather in a generation, you have to go back to 1996 to find a comparable outbreak, expecting anything colder is probably unrealistic and something nobody is hoping for. Now next year may be another matter, severe winters often tend to come in clusters
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Re: Texas winter wx thread (2009-2010)

#4022 Postby srainhoutx » Tue Jan 19, 2010 8:17 am

:uarrow: Your point is very valid, but I caution anyone to think that we can not get cold again in February in TX. We appear to still be heading into an active period beyond the January Thaw. There appears to be some major storms to affect the Rockies and Plains in the days ahead. In fact this appears to be the area of focus for any cold air instead of points E. The source regions in Siberia and AK as well as W Canada have been virtually untapped and building. There are indications that a cross polar flow will establish beginning in late January and continue into early February. This may infact drain those regions of the cold air and be our last true cold of the season around here. While we have warmed and the snow pack to our N is slowly thinning, additional storms will once again add to the snow cover. Signals from guidance continue to suggest that the first week of February and just beyond will be rather chilly and stormy for our area. We shall see.
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Re: Texas winter wx thread (2009-2010)

#4023 Postby srainhoutx » Tue Jan 19, 2010 10:40 am

AO dropped back to negative today after a very brief rise (1-2 days) to a positive. With a strong SSW/MMW (major mid-winter stratospheric warming ) event unfolding, this bodes well for a blocking pattern to resume and a much colder regime as we head into February give or take a few days IMHO.
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Re: Texas winter wx thread (2009-2010)

#4024 Postby Weatherdude20 » Tue Jan 19, 2010 11:05 am

Ntxw wrote:
Weatherdude20 wrote:System still developing but watch for Friday and Saturday the 22nd and 23rd.


I don't see anything else with it except maybe more rain, am I missing something?


My bad.
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#4025 Postby CaptinCrunch » Tue Jan 19, 2010 1:52 pm

Cold will return Feburary, and so will the snows. However I think a major Ice event will be more than likely by mid Feb.
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#4026 Postby Ntxw » Tue Jan 19, 2010 1:59 pm

Keep an eye out this weekend into early next week. 12z EC offers some hints of possibly cold air coming into play with MAYBE a storm system for southern plains. Still early but bears watching. GFS 500mb flow has a similar signature.
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Re: Texas winter wx thread (2009-2010)

#4027 Postby srainhoutx » Tue Jan 19, 2010 11:13 pm

Larry Cosgrove in the Houston Examiner tonight...

Little change in the overall weather pattern for Texas. The potential for a shower or thunderstorm exists on Wednesday and again on Saturday, followed by a much colder air mass on Sunday and Monday. The huge storm that hits the Great Plains and Great Lakes this weekend will be the driving force in bringing back chances for a night freeze around Houston, though nothing like that seen in the first week and a half of this month.

We may yet see another profound Arctic intrusion before the month is out, what with the impressive MJO signature and the presence of a persistent AK/YT blocking ridge. But in all honesty, a fresh cAk regime from the Canadian Tundra is unlikely to get far south until February 2, when some of the numerical models show an mAk vortex setting up just southwest of the Aleutian Islands.
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Re: Texas winter wx thread (2009-2010)

#4028 Postby Ntxw » Wed Jan 20, 2010 1:11 am

Eastern Russia is just brutal right now! Cross polar flow anyone? :lol:

http://www.wunderground.com/global/Region/AS/Temperature.html
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#4029 Postby txagwxman » Wed Jan 20, 2010 8:21 am

Meanwhile it is extremely warm this week Texas...I guess everyone forgot about that ...78F yesterday at my house, 66F this morning.
But it is -70F in Siberia.
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#4030 Postby Tireman4 » Wed Jan 20, 2010 8:34 am

Disgustingly so Txagwxman. I had to lug the dehumidifier downstairs this morning. Ughhh.
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Re: Texas winter wx thread (2009-2010)

#4031 Postby srainhoutx » Wed Jan 20, 2010 8:46 am

:lol: At least we'll cool back down Saturday. Meanwhile I got a $200.00+ gas bill for last month, so I will not complain about the January thaw. :double:
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#4032 Postby goCoogs » Wed Jan 20, 2010 8:48 am

Yep. 66 this morning in the Heights. Propbably going to have to run the AC today or tomorrow.
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Re: Texas winter wx thread (2009-2010)

#4033 Postby srainhoutx » Wed Jan 20, 2010 8:51 am

Anyone notice the 1082mb High pressure over Mongolia yesterday? I believe that is the 3rd highest ever recorded IIRC.
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Re: Texas winter wx thread (2009-2010)

#4034 Postby txagwxman » Wed Jan 20, 2010 9:08 am

srainhoutx wrote::lol: At least we'll cool back down Saturday. Meanwhile I got a $200.00+ gas bill for last month, so I will not complain about the January thaw. :double:

Geez! Haven't gotten mine yet.
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#4035 Postby wxgirl69 » Wed Jan 20, 2010 9:33 am

txagwxman wrote:
srainhoutx wrote::lol: At least we'll cool back down Saturday. Meanwhile I got a $200.00+ gas bill for last month, so I will not complain about the January thaw. :double:

Geez! Haven't gotten mine yet.


I know.. I am afraid mine is going to be huge!!!!!!
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#4036 Postby CaptinCrunch » Wed Jan 20, 2010 11:26 am

Yes, cold returns Sunday night as cold front pushes south, forecasted temps for Mon-Tues are highs in lower 50's lows in the lower 30's, should see another freeze monday and tuesday night. Weather patteren looking good for a return to winter by the 1st of February with much colder temps and a pattern simular to Dec and early Jan, so it's looknig better for another chance at winter precip for at least parts of NTX. Cold pattern should remain locked in thru Feb and into early March, I will not be surprised to see a March snow across parts of OK and NTX. As El Nino continues to weaken headed into spring Severe Weather season should startup early this year, and I'm expecting a very active Tornado season all across tornado alley.
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Re: Texas winter wx thread (2009-2010)

#4037 Postby richtrav » Wed Jan 20, 2010 2:14 pm

Ntxw wrote:Eastern Russia is just brutal right now! Cross polar flow anyone? :lol:

http://www.wunderground.com/global/Region/AS/Temperature.html


umm, I'll think I'll pass, this winter has already become expensive enough at a time we can least afford it.

So far I haven't seen anything that has that look of the early January debacle, just more "normal" cold. Really I'm just hoping we can run the clock out on this winter, the longer any Arctic air waits to come down the lower the chance we'll get a 3rd most unwelcome freeze down here. Feb 15 has been the traditional end of winter down here in the "Florida" part of Tx, so with nothing serious cooking right around the corner I'm hoping the worst is behind us, will feel much better in 7-10 days if no 1082mb highs are positioned over Alaska (hehe that's INSANE, how strong was that brutal high in late Jan/early Feb '89?)

The recent pattern change has brought very beneficial rain to CA and AZ where they badly need it, fine by me if it lingers. I'm ready for a wet spring down in S Texas, you can have all the snow and frost you want just keep it N of Corpus
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#4038 Postby Ntxw » Wed Jan 20, 2010 2:40 pm

No one can really say if we're going to have outbreaks as cold as any of those analog years or even earlier this month. The atmosphere is setting up a pattern that in early February there is the *potential* for more colder weather. The cold is there it's not like it isn't, just waiting for a pattern change to dislodge it. Usually when there is some sort of a warm up in winter, the source region is reloading itself and whether it comes down or not is anyone's guess. Another way to tell is looking at years past similar. With a moderate to strong el nino going out usually it has calls for a later winter comeback similar to '66 and '03 for example.
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Re: Texas winter wx thread (2009-2010)

#4039 Postby TexasStorm » Wed Jan 20, 2010 5:36 pm

All of DFW under Tornado watch until 10pm. Gotta love Texas winters.
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#4040 Postby txagwxman » Wed Jan 20, 2010 7:44 pm

Nice meso northwest of Palestine, TX.
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