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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#541 Postby Brent » Thu Dec 31, 2020 2:34 am

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Lagreeneyes03 wrote:Wouldn't the heavy amounts of rain just bring warmer air down from the mid levels?


That depends on the thermo profile. If there's a warm nose in the mid-levels then this would be true. However, in the scenario that it's heaving snow melting into heavy rain, that process can lead to the cooling of the surrounding atmosphere and allow for the possibility of snow making it to the surface. I haven't checked any soundings in detail so I can't tell you which you will see. However, with this system going negatively tilt early on, that suggests warm air advection will be fairly strong, which tends to cause warm noses in the mid levels. DFW would need a pretty significant east shift from the low to get out of the warm air advection.


Yeah the low track is just ugly for the metro. Its nearly impossible to see anything more than a few flakes with that track to me
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#542 Postby TropicalTundra » Thu Dec 31, 2020 3:10 am

Light snow around the Killeen area... :froze: :spam:

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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#543 Postby goCoogs » Thu Dec 31, 2020 4:17 am

5 degrees colder in Houston than forecast.
57 at IAH. NWS still says low of 62.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#544 Postby SouthernMet » Thu Dec 31, 2020 7:16 am

Wet bulbing is cooling the columns nicely out west... Eastland, Stephenville, Comanche & Brownwood all down to 32 after precip moved in.

Fort Worth should see a mostly cold rain throughout the day, but I think there could be room for a surprise after sundown when the ULL moves closer to us. If that 2nd batch falls as all snow, we could be in business after 9-10pm. There’s going to be a tight gradient in who sees some serious accumulations and who gets nothing. Parker/Palo Pinto counties could get more than they bargained for meanwhile Dallas gets nothing. (As expected) Fort Worth is right in the middle and could be in play imo.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#545 Postby BrokenGlass » Thu Dec 31, 2020 8:39 am

So close yet so far...Image


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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#546 Postby SouthernMet » Thu Dec 31, 2020 9:18 am

Models are initializing to warm.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#547 Postby TexasF6 » Thu Dec 31, 2020 10:06 am

SNOWFLAKES MIXING with the rain in Austin!!!!!
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#548 Postby Cpv17 » Thu Dec 31, 2020 10:27 am

7.50” of rain so far here in central Wharton County.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#549 Postby utpmg » Thu Dec 31, 2020 10:37 am

Big Bend NP is reporting 12-24". I don't know if any of the sparse mesonet sites around there accurately reflect snowfall.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#550 Postby Lagreeneyes03 » Thu Dec 31, 2020 11:26 am

SouthernMet wrote:Models are initializing to warm.


I think you are right-Most of Tarrant county is around 37, Models intializing in low 40's and predictions were for rising to 43ish..I don't see that happening.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#551 Postby EnnisTx » Thu Dec 31, 2020 11:41 am

NWS FW: Previous Discussion: /Through Thursday Night/ Through the next 24 hours, a potent storm system will be making its way through North and Central Texas. Given the complexity of this system, accumulating wintry precipitation will be possible along and west of US-281. This morning, some light freezing rain will be possible mainly on elevated surfaces. Major impacts are not expected due to the freezing rain. A rain/snow mix will be possible as far east as the I-35 corridor across North Texas, but accumulations appear unlikely along the immediate I-35 corridor. The much anticipated upper level storm system is now moving across the state of Chihuahua in northern Mexico. The unusually southward trajectory of this storm system, along with the tight baroclinic gradient along the Gulf Coast continue to complicate the winter weather forecast. Short-term guidance is in fairly good agreement that a surface circulation will develop along the coast and track to the northeast. The exact location and degree at which it turns northeastward will have huge implications on who sees rain or snow, and just how much snow will occur. A wobble of as little of 50 miles either way may make or break this forecast. Before any frozen precipitation begins tonight, the upper-level system will begin making a northeastward turn, toward North and Central Texas. Dynamic cooling aloft will lead to steepening lapse rates along and east of I-35 this afternoon. MUCAPE of a few hundred J/Kg will increase the potential for storms to contain small hail, around pea-size, with the most vigorous updrafts. Heavy rain will also be something that will need to be monitored given plenty of rain has fallen over the past 24 hours east of I-35. The Flash Flood Watch will remain in effect through this afternoon, at which point much of the heavy precipitation threat will have moved off to the east and northeast. Now, lets get back to talking about winter weather. Given the short-term ensemble and deterministic data, a slight eastward shift in the low has led to adding a mention of up to half an inch accumulation from Decatur to Granbury to Lampasas. This area, although it may be above freezing through much of the day, may experience a short burst of snow as the upper level system moves overhead. The Winter Weather Advisory has also been expanded slightly to the east to account for this trend. Farther to the west, the Winter Storm Watch has been upgraded to a Winter Storm Warning given accumulations of 3-4 inches, with isolated higher amounts possible. There is still plenty of time for slight wobbles in this system, and the forecast will reflect the latest thinking through the rest of this morning/afternoon.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#552 Postby hriverajr » Thu Dec 31, 2020 11:52 am

A bit of snow has started here in Del Rio
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#553 Postby EnnisTx » Thu Dec 31, 2020 11:57 am

utpmg wrote:Big Bend NP is reporting 12-24". I don't know if any of the sparse mesonet sites around there accurately reflect snowfall.


This post is reprehensible and uncalled for. It's like handcuffing me to a chair and placing a plate full of ribs and brisket in front of me. :wink:
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#554 Postby HockeyTx82 » Thu Dec 31, 2020 12:04 pm

Temp is 35 here in Ponder. I feel we might get lucky. Things seem to be shifting a bit east, and like they 50 miles this way or that way makes all the difference.

Went on a run this AM. It was miserable yet refreshing at the same time. Cold and wet
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#555 Postby HockeyTx82 » Thu Dec 31, 2020 12:27 pm

Are temps below where they were forecast to be? I don't see my location reaching the forecasted high.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#556 Postby BrokenGlass » Thu Dec 31, 2020 12:28 pm

Can I say for the official record that it is miserable outside?


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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#557 Postby Captmorg70 » Thu Dec 31, 2020 12:35 pm

HockeyTx82 wrote:Are temps below where they were forecast to be? I don't see my location reaching the forecasted high.


The HRRR is initializing temps well ATM. The big thing to watch is that by 2pm it has the whole area going up by 3 degrees. Got to watch for the warmup. The snow line has been shifting east each run of the HRRR but just slightly.

Also the dew point is at 34 here in Ponder. We need that to start going down a few degrees.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#558 Postby HockeyTx82 » Thu Dec 31, 2020 12:51 pm

Captmorg70 wrote:
HockeyTx82 wrote:Are temps below where they were forecast to be? I don't see my location reaching the forecasted high.


The HRRR is initializing temps well ATM. The big thing to watch is that by 2pm it has the whole area going up by 3 degrees. Got to watch for the warmup. The snow line has been shifting east each run of the HRRR but just slightly.

Also the dew point is at 34 here in Ponder. We need that to start going down a few degrees.


Oh hey, forgot you were out this way. Just checked my weather station at the house, looks like that what's it is showing too. Fingers crossed. Temp is holding steady for now.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#559 Postby Captmorg70 » Thu Dec 31, 2020 12:58 pm

HockeyTx82 wrote:
Captmorg70 wrote:
HockeyTx82 wrote:Are temps below where they were forecast to be? I don't see my location reaching the forecasted high.


The HRRR is initializing temps well ATM. The big thing to watch is that by 2pm it has the whole area going up by 3 degrees. Got to watch for the warmup. The snow line has been shifting east each run of the HRRR but just slightly.

Also the dew point is at 34 here in Ponder. We need that to start going down a few degrees.


Oh hey, forgot you were out this way. Just checked my weather station at the house, looks like that what's it is showing too. Fingers crossed. Temp is holding steady for now.


Yep! Sometimes I feel like we are just far enough North and West from the metro to get lucky.

There is a significant warm nose on the HRRR until about 9pm. So maybe at the very end it’ll get cold enough for us. But I feel like it’s just going to be too warm until the very end.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#560 Postby Cpv17 » Thu Dec 31, 2020 1:05 pm

Haven’t seen flooding this bad here since Harvey. Most of Wharton County is under water.
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